VATICAN On 'Homosexual Behavior.'

[versatastic]

We should also recognise that electric, shock treatment has been utilised into recent times as a means to reverse, or temper homosexual sexual behaviour in human beings.

Such inhumane treatment of the human, person speaks volumes on the society that presumes to act in defence of humanity.

Are you implying that homosexual sexual behavior is the same as predatory sexual behavior?

 

[kallipolis]

Are you implying that homosexual sexual behavior is the same as predatory sexual behavior?

I was very, clearly responding to your commentary on chemical castration as a means of controlling, or manipulating human behaviour.

When we permit society to indulge in such inhumane treatment, of human life there is a thought that we may yet witness to a return to inhumane treatments, for those whom society determines are worthy of such corrective manipulation.

It is not so long, ago that homosexual sexual behaviour was a criminal offence in the United States, and other so called civilised countries.

 

[versatastic]

Without any sound argument or reason, that's a very poor wedge/slippery slope statement.

People already take "meds" on a regular basis for whatever psychological or mental problems they might have. In severe cases of psychosis such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, are you against pharmaceutical treatment options?

Are you now implying that pedophilia should not be a criminal offense?

 

[kallipolis]

Without any sound argument or reason, that's a very poor wedge/slippery slope statement.

People already take "meds" on a regular basis for whatever psychological or mental problems they might have. In severe cases of psychosis such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, are you against pharmaceutical treatment options?

Are you now implying that pedophilia should not be a criminal offense?

I am not the one attempting to justify chemical castration as a means, to an end that appears to serve the needs of the criminal justice system.

The forced chemical castration of a convicted, felon hardly compares with the free choice, of a sick person to follow the advice of their medical practitioner.

Had the convicted felon been offered a choice, then I would not dispute the ethics, of such apparent attempts to manipulate human sexual behaviour, as punishment for criminal behaviour.

The issue is not with the offence, rather with the apparent panacea.

I am sure that there are those who might well be encouraged to believe, that homosexual sexual behaviour could also be manipulated, sufficiently by chemical castration in order to serve the needs of society.

 

[versatastic]

I wasn't commenting on the ethics of it's current use as punishment. I was merely citing its effectiveness in order to justify its viability as a means for priests to control their own urges and rid the Church of their problems with paedophilia among the clergy.

Those in asylums don't have a choice as to whether they can take their medication. As well, although they may be under court order, there's no way to enforce the sex offender to take his pill once he is released from prison. If he's still in prison, it doesn't really make sense to force a pedophile to take the pills because there's no one to prey on.

 

[kallipolis]

I wasn't commenting on the ethics of it's current use as punishment. I was merely citing its effectiveness in order to justify its viability as a means for priests to control their own urges and rid the Church of their problems with paedophilia among the clergy.

Those in asylums don't have a choice as to whether they can take their medication. As well, although they may be under court order, there's no way to enforce the sex offender to take his pill once he is released from prison. If he's still in prison, it doesn't really make sense to force a pedophile to take the pills because there's no one to prey on.

Chemical castration is never, effective unless there is a cooperative patient.

Most victims of society's attempts to control such self, destructive sexual behaviour are obliged to swallow such punishment, as their means to avoid imprisonment. Society imposing its self defeating choices, beset by incarceration as a means to solve apparent criminal behaviour.

I emphasise that when we approve of society's willingness to attempt, to engineer human sexual behaviour as its means to manipulate, apparent deviant sexual practices, we are then obliged to consider that such methods could be applied against those of us, who fit the stereotypical model of the deviant human being.

Beware of support for measures that appear to address human fears, and could result in such practices being used against, those who so conveniently fit into the mould of the stereotypical homosexual person. The history of the twentieth century reminds us that the apparent criminal sexual deviant, also includes those of us who are currently posting on this discussion board.

 

[versatastic]

Chemical castration is never, effective unless there is a cooperative patient.

I may have been a little crass in my first post on this particular thread, but that's all I was trying to get at. Priests should learn about chemical castration so that those who may have pedophilic urges can prevent acting on them by taking the pill. Your other arguments are for another thread entirely.

 

[Shepherd 2]

I am a priest of the Episcopal Church, and I see myself as a religious professional. I am also personally concerned that when the religious institution defies the standards of the wider society and make exceptions for its own behavior, it is in a sense not remaining in a responsive mode to the moral standards of the community that surrounds the Church.

I recognize it is not exactly a big catch today to become a priest of the Catholic Church, and the decline in vocations is in part due to the lack of respect the rest of society is prepared to give to that vocation. The Church must respond and hold here own people to a high standard, and not blame outside influences on the things that make it uncomfortable, ie, pedophiles.

But I can let this conversation go into the community outside the church. I will read it no less and still with interest.

Shep+

 

[Pushover]

Goat turds. And that's all that really needs to be said.


Oh, you want a solution? I think RationalLunacy had the best solution, thus far. The Catholic church needs new leadership.