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Venezuela

same old same old! We sell billions of dollars in weapons to countries. It is about time we stopped selling waepons to ANYONE! I do not think it is up to the USA to TELL ANY country where they should buy weapons from! I personnally don't think any country, super power or no, should sell weapons to any other county...but that is just me!
 
Well as Vladimir Ilyich Lenin is quoted as saying,

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

Any student of world history will tell you that superpowers never last forever.

Venezuela? There's going to come a time when those in the North America are going to have to acknowledge power in South America. They're no longer the CIA propped up dictators of the 1970's and 80's. Many South American Countries are finding out that they don't need the good ole US of A. There are enough crackpots out there ready and willing to do business.

They're just now buying the rope.
 
I though it was because the U.S couldn't do anything because too many troops are bogged down in Iraq? :confused:
 
I agree, that I think it is stupid that we tell people who they can buy from and what they can buy. What gives us the right?

Venezuelans and chavez in particular have been brain washed by Castro's mind reform specialists disguised as altruistic physicians. These medical experts are some of the most effective social engineers on the planet. The use of these special skills to promote marxist radicalism and terrorist agenda is how they pay for their medical degree obtained at Havana's very special FREE college. This is why Bush refused Cuba's offer of free medical aid to the Gulf Coast after Katrina struck. He knows they can't just practise friendly medicine...without dropping suggestopedia into the ear of their patients at their most vulnerable moments of illness. Cuba's medical corps is really a euphemism for Marxist Indoctrination Corps.
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You've got to be kidding. How does removing cataracts from old people anywhere in latin america promote his marxist ideas? That's what Cuba and Venezuela are doing this year... flying people to one of the two countries if they're site is bad enough to have cataracts removed. All completely free to the patient. If Castro wanted to indoctrinate the people with his marxist propoganda, he'd choose the young... not cataracts which is a disease of older people generally. Doesn't make logical sense in my mind.
 
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Naw... the idea is that by providing social welfare services to the poor... by providing free and decent medical care, which people desperately need, it makes the socialist system more and more attractive.
 
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hmmm.... well, can we argue with that? Maybe we should try helping a hand in social services. Doesn't that sound like a better idea than slamming those that do? I think so.
 
I agree with the people above.... Venezuelan's are brainwashed with Castro-ist ideas.... Venezuela's going to be a big issue in the years to come. The fact that a non-capitalist country has arms and is relatively close to the U.S., is a big concern for all of us.
 
Why is non-capitalism such a threat? Is it written somewhere that capitalism is the ONLY way? I've never understood why we aren't open to the idea that there might be more than one correct system. What is it about that concept that scares us so much?
 
Because I came from a communist country and trust me...it doesn't work. Vietnam was big on collectivization and socialist economic theories. After the war, the economy took a huge drop at unbelievable levels. Eventually, in the nineties, they had to dramatically reform the economic policy. Now they've pretty much ended the economic ideology that defined the communist movement and they're allowing global corporate ventures into the country and guess what...look who's the emerging economic power in South East Asia...

It's not that anything non-capitalist is wrong...it's just that in reality communist economics doesn't work. Look at the major "communist" countries economies (China and Vietnam) they're slowly reformin policies and adapting capitalist ideas.... That's how things are.
 
Just read the story above and a NY Times article from yesterday about Venezuela, Chavez, UN Security Council, etc.

Here's my two cents

Chavez, who has been in power since 1998, clearly is not a favorite of the U.S. Why?

He's made a living excoriating our govt, especially Bush (join the crowd)
He has aligned himself with our regimes - Iran, Belarus, Cuba - dictatorships
He recently purchased Russian arms (for defensive purposes) for when the U.S. invades to steal his oil
If Venezuela was to get a seat on the UN Security Council, you can bet they would never/rarely vote with the U.S.

He has accused the U.S. of plotting to kill him or at least being aware of plots and not notifying him
Rumsfeld has likened Chavez to Hitler - Chavez has called Bush an idiot

Regardless, Chavez runs an authoritarian regime

It appears that is "revolution" has not had real impact on the lives of ordinary Venezuelans - where they still suffer from widespread poverty and unemployment - despite the vast oil revenues.

Laws against free expression have been tightened in Venezuela, according to the Human Rights Watch - they have criminalized criticism of government authorities.


"The Venezuelan Congress dealt a severe blow to judicial independence by packing the country’s Supreme Court with 12 new justices, Human Rights Watch said today. A majority of the ruling coalition, dominated by President Hugo Chávez’s party, named the justices late yesterday, filling seats created by a law passed in May that expanded the court’s size by more than half" - per the Human Rights Watch

Just starting to read more about Venezuela and Chavez. And frankly the picture is not pretty. Not sure why Americans who complain about abuse of power in our govt. - would defend Chavez and his actions
 
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Most dictators do not steal away power by force, they are elected into their positions.

If anybody is to blame, it is the people who elected him to power in the first place.

It may be cheesy, but it's so true: "[size=-1]So this is how democracy dies... to thunderous applause."[/size]
 
oh lord


this looks bad for the south and central americans

looks liek the man will be climbing up on their backs after they're finished giving the mideast a few rocket supositories
 
That's the problem with socialism/communism. There are loop holes in the ideology that eventually lead to authoritarian dictatorships. The expansion of the supreme court and the restriction on the freedom of expression says it all...Venezuela is going corrupt and there will not be equal checks and balances, because no one can speak out and the government will only follow Chavez.
 
I personally think Chavez is planning a war with the US. Call me crazy but it seems imminent to me. Its only a matter or time. No telling how many spies he has in this country. So easy for anyone to just walk in. While i love living in Texas, I will be moving eventually for somewhere where the first line of attacks from Venezuela and its allies will not hit. Of course I could be wrong and the US of someone else will eventually either kill him or discredit him. Either one. I wonder who China will side with. I mean they make so much money off of us with free trade, yet they secretly hate our guts, hmmmm. Of course these are only my looney ideas.
 
Eh, BlackWolf... I'm not so sure. The Chinese have never been too active in South America. Yes, Venezuela has oil but almost none of it goes to China. As far as the Chinese are concerned, they don't really have a dog in a potential fight.

What Chavez really wants is to be like a mosquito and hope that he is annoying enough that the US might actually swat at him. That's his main goal: he wants to show the world how evil the American Empire is and how it tries to crush dissent to its agenda at every turn.

Nothing makes Chavez more irate than when the US just completely ignores him or brushes him off. It makes sense: you can't make somebody into an enemy who doesn't even acknowledge you.
 
I guess your right adam. Although a few months ago Lou Dobbs(great show) reported that China has been increasing traffic in South America, more importantly Venezuala. Training their armies, trading, blah blah. They have more control in South America now that the US I believe. I dont remember everything from the report.
 
The Chinese will go wherever they can get natural resources and earn a buck.
 
jockboy01 said:
Why is non-capitalism such a threat? Is it written somewhere that capitalism is the ONLY way? I've never understood why we aren't open to the idea that there might be more than one correct system. What is it about that concept that scares us so much?
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I don't think anyone truly regards non-capitalist nations as a threat. In fact, they are just the opposite. Socialist economies are doomed to fail under their own largesse, making promises to people they have no way of keeping.

I don't think the Bush administration really regards Venezuela as a threat either. I mean, what can they do? Worst thing Chavez is likely to do is promote some regional leftist uprisings, but that's about it. Among oil-producing nations, Venezuela is probably one of the most benign.
 
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