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Vermont Senate passes Gay Marriage 26-4

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Vote breakdown: 26 YES - 4 NO
22 Democrats & 4 Republicans voted YES
1 Democrat & 3 Republicans voted NO

MONTPELIER — The Vermont Senate voted 26-4 in favor of same-sex marriage Monday, giving the measure greater support than many expected.

“I resolved this yesterday,” said Sen. Matt Choate, a freshman Democrat from Caledonia County.

Choate said he balanced all the arguments and finally focused on the Constitution, the document he had sworn to uphold. Civil unions, created in 2000 to offer same-sex couples the same rights as married couples, did not succeed in providing full equality, he said. “There really was no other way to vote.”

Sen. Phil Scott, R-Washington, said he didn’t know how he was going to vote when he walked into the Senate chamber Monday afternoon, but made up his mind while listening to the debate. “I said if I’m going to err on one side or the other, I would err on the side of basic human rights.”

Scott said he was taken by the arguments Campbell made for the bill. Campbell sought to counteract arguments that had been made against it, including what he called the “they” factor.

“You know who those ‘they’ people are? They’re our policemen, our firefighters, our teachers, garbagemen, the guy who plows the street. They’re our children. Our sisters, brothers, they’re human beings, and as such, as it’s said in this bill, they should be treated equally,” Campbell said.

Even as he argued for a public referendum, Sen. Kevin Mullin, R-Rutland, supported the bill and said he thought Vermonters would vote for same-sex marriage in a statewide vote.

The bill faces another vote in the Senate today before going to the House. The House Judiciary Committee is expected to begin taking testimony today. The bill is expected to pass the House, but faces an uncertain future when it reaches Gov. Jim Douglas. He said he opposes the bill but hasn’t said whether he will veto it.





http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/23/vermont.samesex.marriage/
 
It's a great move forward, but it's not marriage until they give us equal rights (Social Security benefits, etc.) That won't happen until it's mandated by a Federal court and it's nationwide. But good for the Vermonters!
 
It's a great move forward, but it's not marriage until they give us equal rights (Social Security benefits, etc.) That won't happen until it's mandated by a Federal court and it's nationwide. But good for the Vermonters!

Yes but if it passes this will be a very positive sign because it will be the first legislative action to legalize gay marriage. All of the other ones so far have come from the courts.
 
Vermont may now join Canada along with Massachusetts.

Live Free or Die.
 
^
not yet. If the US Federal Supreme Court does not give us our rights then th only other optins would to continue allowing us to be second class citizens or support a civil war or mass rioting to force them to change their minds. But I don't think that rioting would work. Maybe we can do what Bush did and hire hit men. Oh my goodness....that is crazy!
 
Vermont needs to convince about 10-15 more House members to support the bill so they can override the Governors veto. It is that close.

Just as Prop. 8 was more important than just California, gaining same sex marriage in a state without a court order would send a major message to people & legislators in other states, that it is safe to be for equality.

We need to support them now. Check out this web site:

http://www.vtfreetomarry.org/
 
wow - and they made it valid in all 50 states. So if u get married in Vermont other states MUST recognize it.
Erm... No, they don't have the authority to do that. Besides, under federal law (DOMA), no state can be required to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state.

Perhaps you mean that they will recognize same-sax marriages performed in any other state? That sounds a little more reasonable to me.
 
^I think there's a good chance of that happening. The Gov. isn't very popular, and at least some of the polls indicate that the voters support gay marriage (it's hard to tell which ones to trust though since each claim the same error rating yet come out w/ different results). Plus, VT has already legalized civil unions so they are at least somewhat progressive. Of course, CA also allowed civil unions so who knows.

What do you all think?

I'm praying for a victory. We really need a win! It's so daunting to keep getting shot down so to speak. A victory in VT would help motivate LGBT folks and supporters to continue the fight or join the fight if they haven't already. It won't give the LGBT their marriage rights nation wide, but for now we're forced to fight state by state. Taking VT would be an awesome win. That takes care of a pretty decent portion of the North.
 
The numbers were actually 4 votes are needed and 11 legislatures said they would vote Yes if a veto was present. Also, the governor has said that he does not plan to lobby the issue and push the house to vote no, so it basically sounds like he's handing our side the victory.
 
I'm praying for a victory. We really need a win! It's so daunting to keep getting shot down so to speak. A victory in VT would help motivate LGBT folks and supporters to continue the fight or join the fight if they haven't already. It won't give the LGBT their marriage rights nation wide, but for now we're forced to fight state by state. Taking VT would be an awesome win. That takes care of a pretty decent portion of the North.

as am i! i think we've been dealt too many defeats lately. we're due a win. so i'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
 
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