Vice President Joe Biden Calls Out Hillary For "No We Can't" Mentality

[evanrick]

Destroying dreams there.
I must say, Evanrick and Bendan have done a remarkable job of diverting attention from Sanders, Trump and Cruz. Everyone's already forgotten about Kasich and Carson.
They say that all exposure is good exposure, and boy have they kept Hillary in the limelight here.

no that's the wall street cash funding the clinton campaign. money from the same banks that fucked over the economy here in America. i love how corporate war-mongering democrats try to deny the past as much as corporate warmongering republicans here in America.

dont take my word for it, just half of the democratic party and an even bigger majority of Americans are 'not with her' - not by any measure here in America.

oh but shes winning the democratic primary here in America! Is she? why is it taking so long? why does she keep stopping to do fundraisers? why cant Hillary pull her own weight?

 

[TX-Beau]

no that's the wall street cash funding the clinton campaign. money from the same banks that fucked over the economy here in America. i love how corporate war-mongering democrats try to deny the past as much as corporate warmongering republicans here in America.

dont take my word for it, just half of the democratic party and an even bigger majority of Americans are 'not with her' - not by any measure here in America.

oh but shes winning the democratic primary here in America! Is she? why is it taking so long? why does she keep stopping to do fundraisers? why cant Hillary pull her own weight?

Let's see cut and paste maybe? That isn't even coherent. Don't worry, no one is taking your "word" for anything at all.

 

[Rolyo85]

Lol wait, the Wall Street cash is keeping Clinton in the spotlight on JUB? Hilarious

 

[evanrick]

Lol wait, the Wall Street cash is keeping Clinton in the spotlight on JUB? Hilarious

^corporate democrat^

 

[BenDan]

There you go trying to put words in other people's mouths again. Calling to authority by misquoting the VP and then attributing your same old slogans underneath as though those words might have been his own (and that they're accurate, despite some being disproven continually).

actually if you had any reading or listening skills you'd know that:

Hillary was against $15 - $12 was better - she hedged - after it passed in NYS, she embraced it as if it was hers
So she was not for it - but after it was done, she acted as if
that's one of many examples of her being wrong on the issue and wrong with integrity

She's attacked Bernie for his desire for HealthCare for all - embraced Obama - tried to make it like Bernie wasn't supporting our Black President - and that what he wanted to do which is simply HC for all - is undoable and too dangerous
She's wrong on this issue - and "no we can't" describes it

Her famous marriage is a scared bond between a man and a woman - you can google it

Her vote on Iraq is part of the record - google it
Her "explanation" was to blame Pres. Bush - btw Bernie voted against it
Wrong on the issues and wrong to think that you could not buck the President or the system
Voting with your conscience and as a progressive is hard I know
she failed here

Her leadership in pushing Obama in Libya is well documented
get off your perch and do some simple research

instead of kissing her ass and pretending that she's been a progressive ally or leader

 

[Kulindahr]

^corporate democrat^

Good video.

A farmer here who I bumped into at the farm supply store the other day put it this way: They're asking me to choose between cowshit on my carpet or dog shit. They expect me to vote for shit, but what I want is a clean carpet.

When you vote for the shit that you think stinks less, you still get shit. Frak, people voted for Obama because he sounded like he wasn't shit, and we still got shit.

The only real choice right now that isn't Bush all over again is Bernie -- and he blew it by saying he'll endorse Hillary. In other words, when it comes down to it, Bernie doesn't actually care, because he'll settle for shit, even though he was fighting for a clean carpet.

 

[Kabluey]

actually if you had any reading or listening skills you'd know that:

Hillary was against $15 - $12 was better - she hedged - after it passed in NYS, she embraced it as if it was hers
So she was not for it - but after it was done, she acted as if
that's one of many examples of her being wrong on the issue and wrong with integrity

She's attacked Bernie for his desire for HealthCare for all - embraced Obama - tried to make it like Bernie wasn't supporting our Black President - and that what he wanted to do which is simply HC for all - is undoable and too dangerous
She's wrong on this issue - and "no we can't" describes it

Her famous marriage is a scared bond between a man and a woman - you can google it

Her vote on Iraq is part of the record - google it
Her "explanation" was to blame Pres. Bush - btw Bernie voted against it
Wrong on the issues and wrong to think that you could not buck the President or the system
Voting with your conscience and as a progressive is hard I know
she failed here

Her leadership in pushing Obama in Libya is well documented
get off your perch and do some simple research

instead of kissing her ass and pretending that she's been a progressive ally or leader

And in another thread we've got one of the Bernie bros angry that she's adopted some of the policies they wanted.
You don't seem to care a jot about policies except where it suits, you'd fallen for a cult of personality with Hillary as your nemesis.

You keep quoting discredited information and treating everything she's said in a 40 year career as though it's religious lore.
That's nonsense.

If she made an off-joke at a cocktail party some time in the mid 1980s, you'd be forever repeating that too.

 

[vidarr]

And in another thread we've got one of the Bernie bros angry that she's adopted some of the policies they wanted.
You don't seem to care a jot about policies except where it suits, you'd fallen for a cult of personality with Hillary as your nemesis.

You keep quoting discredited information and treating everything she's said in a 40 year career as though it's religious lore.
That's nonsense.

If she made an off-joke at a cocktail party some time in the mid 1980s, you'd be forever repeating that too.

Except that the 12 dollar wage comment was made by Hillary in November. Hardly ancient history.

On Iraq, though she now regrets her support for war. It's clear that she holds a hawkish stance on foreign policy. As evidenced for her support to ramp up attacks on ISIS in Syria.

However given that she has only recently changed her position and adopted some of Sanders ideas, I'm not angry. Rather, I know that her tune could change in the near future.

I am prone to believe more someone who has fought for those same rights, only longer. Someone who has stuck to the same story.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

And in another thread we've got one of the Bernie bros angry that she's adopted some of the policies they wanted.
You don't seem to care a jot about policies except where it suits, you'd fallen for a cult of personality with Hillary as your nemesis.

You keep quoting discredited information and treating everything she's said in a 40 year career as though it's religious lore.
That's nonsense.

If she made an off-joke at a cocktail party some time in the mid 1980s, you'd be forever repeating that too.

I am going to address the first part mainly, I doubt most people would be upset if they felt like she was actually adopting some of the ideas that Bernie is pushing. That is not what people believe though, they believe she is just saying it only to gain support, which she has shown in the past to change views only for support.

Yes she is a politician and that happens, so people please save your snarky remarks when it comes to this. The point is that they don't believe her and in my opinion she really hasn't given a reason as to why people should.

And as for the rest of it, of course people are going to pull shit from the past, this is politics and it happens all the time. This is not something that just happens to Hillary. Especially on here. And some times this stuff can prove to be relevant if someone's attitudes or stances have not changed.

 

[Kabluey]

Except that the 12 dollar wage comment was made by Hillary in November. Hardly ancient history.

On Iraq, though she now regrets her support for war. It's clear that she holds a hawkish stance on foreign policy. As evidenced for her support to ramp up attacks on ISIS in Syria.

However given that she has only recently changed her position and adopted some of Sanders ideas, I'm not angry. Rather, I know that her tune could change in the near future.

I am prone to believe more someone who has fought for those same rights, only longer. Someone who has stuck to the same story.

She's gone for a middle ground of $12 - which would make the US minimum wage one of the highest in the world (probably the very highest by purchasing power). That is a moderately progressive approach.
Plenty of people in middle America wouldn't trust a politician that's promising a $15 minimum wage, reasonable or not. But it's an easy promise for someone who's unlikely to get the presidency to make.

She does have a moderately hawkish stance on foreign policy (less so than Cruz or Trump), which is probably consistent with the average American's views.
Public support for the Iraq war rose to 67% following GW Bush's speech when he made the case for invasion, according to Gallup.

Politicians must change and compromise. The most concerning type of leader is one who rules by belief, like Cruz.
Their indoctrination makes them unable to yield, even when their policies are failing.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Plenty of people in American don't want higher wages at all for people who are in minimum wage jobs, because to them that is just fast food place wages, which couldn't be further from the truth. And shouldn't even matter where they work because people should be able to afford where to live and support themselves and their families as well.

The problem with raising the minimum wage is people have this pre-conception of individuals who work in certain places, if you work in fast food or some other retail people generally assume you are lazy and undeserving of higher wages. They see these as a foot in the door jobs, which is not so much the case now. There are people who have these jobs because they are having trouble finding work else where.

 

[Kabluey]

Plenty of people in American don't want higher wages at all for people who are in minimum wage jobs, because to them that is just fast food place wages, which couldn't be further from the truth. And shouldn't even matter where they work because people should be able to afford where to live and support themselves and their families as well.

The problem with raising the minimum wage is people have this pre-conception of individuals who work in certain places, if you work in fast food or some other retail people generally assume you are lazy and undeserving of higher wages. They see these as a foot in the door jobs, which is not so much the case now. There are people who have these jobs because they are having trouble finding work else where.

A higher minimum wage has the effect of making people who earn close to the proposed minimum feel threatened.
Politicians and lobbyists find it easy to stoke the pride factor that people have from earning $X more than the lowest.

What they don't mention is that creating a higher floor on wages causes wage inflation across the economy, people who are earning greater than minimum amounts tend to end up earning proportionally more too.
It's not unhealthy for economies to increase minimum wages where things like finished goods and foods have low labour inputs (imported goods, for example), but past a certain point it can make services nonviable.

The biggest problem with low wage jobs is that when too low they create a poverty trap for people who are working long hours, accruing debts, have untreated health problems and are unable to better themselves through education.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

To note I do agree with raising the wages whether it be 12 or 15. And I agree with you, especially the last bit. Which is the biggest problem with low wage jobs.

The pre-conceptions with these jobs make people embarrassed to apply to them even if they really need these jobs. As well as possibly making people feel like a bit of a failure if they have to apply just to have some kind of income. Which is to me, not true. If you have a job and are working it to your ability, then you deserve wages that will give you a stable living.

One of my biggest pet peeves about jobs are the people who complain about the unemployed being lazy but at the same time criticize people at specific jobs because of how society weighs that jobs worth. These people can't win.

 

[Kulindahr]

And in another thread we've got one of the Bernie bros angry that she's adopted some of the policies they wanted.
You don't seem to care a jot about policies except where it suits, you'd fallen for a cult of personality with Hillary as your nemesis.

You keep quoting discredited information and treating everything she's said in a 40 year career as though it's religious lore.
That's nonsense.

If she made an off-joke at a cocktail party some time in the mid 1980s, you'd be forever repeating that too.

That's the way American politics is played: everyone else's candidates have to be saints, but one's own is allowed failures and foibles and changes.

 

[Kulindahr]

A higher minimum wage has the effect of making people who earn close to the proposed minimum feel threatened.
Politicians and lobbyists find it easy to stoke the pride factor that people have from earning $X more than the lowest.

What they don't mention is that creating a higher floor on wages causes wage inflation across the economy, people who are earning greater than minimum amounts tend to end up earning proportionally more too.
It's not unhealthy for economies to increase minimum wages where things like finished goods and foods have low labour inputs (imported goods, for example), but past a certain point it can make services nonviable.

The biggest problem with low wage jobs is that when too low they create a poverty trap for people who are working long hours, accruing debts, have untreated health problems and are unable to better themselves through education.

This is one place where Bernie has a point even though I've not heard him articulate it this way: income for necessities is different from income for anything else. When a person's income can't cover necessities, that fuels a sort of black hole in which every problem drags one's entire living situation down. Thus for one person, a brown-down air conditioner, say, is just a matter of ordering another one, for another person it becomes a choice that requires cutting something actually necessary, e.g. food or clothes. So what for one person is a momentary inconvenience is for another a potential disaster.

I am hopeful for the future to an extent because we are approaching a technological situation where essentials such as housing and basic clothing could be provided at no cost, thus relieving substantial pressure on people for whom sudden minor unexpected expenses can mean catastrophe. When income isn't sucked down by need, it becomes a source of potential creativity, even if that's only spent on self-expression. When we broaden the input of creativity, everyone benefits.
OTOH, in the present economic structure, the technology that could be used to give us a new sort of society will more likely be used to build an old sort, a variant on feudalism, which tends to lead (as Nick Hanauer correctly points out) to violent upheaval (or long-term misery and degradation for the vast majority, when the social structure is maintained by coercion).

 

[jbrown329]

The minimum wage here is now $9.32hr. You can manage (not easily though) to live in Spokane on that. Try living on that in Seattle. The $ requirements for the complex that I live in is that you make $2100 a month. There are places that don't require you to make that much.

 

[Kulindahr]

The minimum wage here is now $9.32hr. You can manage (not easily though) to live in Spokane on that. Try living on that in Seattle. The $ requirements for the complex that I live in is that you make $2100 a month. There are places that don't require you to make that much.

Does Spokane have urban growth boundaries? In cities that do, the cost of housing rises geometrically rather than linearly, and minimum wage will never keep up.