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Video: Finally I understand how NASA's SLS/Orion (Shuttle replacement) first mission will work (December 2017)

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An unmanned fly-by of the Moon, with the Orion crew module returning to Earth.

I just love this cute little animation. :lol:


Simples. :mrgreen:

Although I find it somewhat ironic that it will take them nearly half a century to make, in success in 2017, an unmanned version of what Apollo 13 did in failure in 1970.

Oh well, roll on SLS-1 (Exploration Mission 1) on December 17, 2017. (!w!)

(but I suspect it's an overly ambitious date - I'll make a bet for June 2019, 18 months late)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Mission_1

....and this time, the competition isn't with the Soviets, but the Chinese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program

Let the Second Space Race begin! :cool:
 
I'm unsure what you mean by a "half century to make". Design selection was in 2010; I'm not sure when designing began -- but it certainly wasn't a half century ago.


Another point: the name is silly. "Orion" is the name of a launch system using nuclear bombs for propulsion.
 
All fake and a huge waste of sucker taxpayer money. Debbie duz donuts on Hollywood blvd....
 
How many trips can it take to understand the satellite is a dry dead ball of dust? The real missions are out there beyond our reach in the vastness of barely perceivable specs we rely on spectrometry to discern.

Real space exploration is so far off, we may as well be standing on the dock at Southampton waiting for the Speedwell to be emptied so we can get on the Mayflower.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but the space exploration thing is simply oversold at this point. All the really cool stuff is on the big screen, and I don't mean at the control center. NASA has stalled.

The point at the moment is that we need to get out there and learn to live on that "ball of dust", using the minerals and metals and water already there. Doing that will help us be far better prepared when we can go to Mars. It's not that NASA has stalled, it's that they floundered around after the Apollo program ended and are finally getting back on the track we need if we're ever going to really explore space.
 
Nasa is a big waste of money. Millions starving on this Thanksgiving and they go out exploring space.
 
Silly, just silly. A relic of JFK and the "manifest destiny" psychology of the moon race. Silly, just silly.
 
I don't disagree with floundering versus stalled, but I do argue that we will not be inhabiting other planets in anything but scientific exploration for a couple of centuries.

Life support systems are simply too fragile to warrant risking more than a few souls to such an outpost.

There are corporations seriously planning on bringing large NiFe asteroids into earth orbit and setting up processing facilities on them, and selling the metal down here. Living on another planet would be far easier than that,

Meanwhile, there are vast, vast expanses of Earth uninhabited by man, precluding any need to live elsewhere.

Actually that's not the case. Given the amount of land and sea required to support one human being, we are currently using 1.6 Earths worth of the planet. In other words, three-eights of the population is excess merely in terms of supporting humans, leaving alone the fact that the excess burden is killing off other species.

Space is fascinating, but it is barely more than a fanciful fiction as far as the likes of Star Trek, etc.

I'm much more interested in getting green technologies going here, as well as electrifying homes of people yet living in darkness. Space is a lower priority, or should be.

At the rate we're working at killing this planet, we should be terraforming Mars with a vengeance.
 
Nasa is a big waste of money. Millions starving on this Thanksgiving and they go out exploring space.

There has been a better return on investment, in terms of helping people live and live better, from the money spent on NASA than on any other similar-sized pile of cash in human history.
 
Looking for new frontiers and conquering them is in our genome.

In this case as so many others what is in the genome is territorial and boundary aggression. Witness the silly but dangerous dispute over the Senkaku Islands. Shades of The Naked Ape.
 
I'm unsure what you mean by a "half century to make".

I mean the hugely slow progress and lack of advancement in manned pioneering space exploration, spanning five decades, since Man last went beyond the Earth's gravity.

Or to put in another way, could anyone watching in 1972, when the last manned mission to the Moon (Apollo 17) came back, EVER have imagined that in the far-flung future of 2022, 50 years later, that mankind would only just then be attempting to repeat the mission?

There was more vision and spirit and desire in setting out there 50 years ago - and look what they achieved, with FAR less technology and INFINITELY less computing power.

It makes me wonder if the driving force and the psychology behind it had anything to do with advance in science and technology AT ALL, but had more to do with Cold War era fear and politics, and the competition between ideological enemies for conquests and propaganda.

That would be a rather sobering account of actual priorities for space exploration in the real world.
 
Huge waste of money and does nothing to alleviate poverty.
 
I have no doubt that there are even corporations already trying to patent processes involved with exploiting minerals on asteroids, but that doesn't mean that it is not yet a distant and unaffordable fantasy. And, it really doesn't add any credibility to inhabiting space at all. It's just more pipe dreams with engineers in tow.

They plan to capture their first asteroid in 2016 -- that's no pipe dream. I forget when it's supposed to arrive, but when it does they'll have a few trillion dollars worth of metal in orbit.

No, much like the overstated hunger statistics on billboards (1 in 6 U.S. children in danger of hunger), these statistics are slanted to make an environmental statement. The truth is, we have enough land aplenty, enough water aplenty, and ultimately, enough energy aplenty. The problem is obviously about use models, distribution models, and the like.

On the other hand, population control is a phrase that seemed to disappear after China began to force the one-child policy (now retracted.) I do agree that we need to be seriously promulgating population control. As a gay man, I'm doing my bit.

I doubt such sources as this are just grinding an environmental axe:

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...esources-faster-than-replenished-1827047.html

The very same "terra-forming" science resources could be put to much better and more realistic use in learning how to find clean alternative energies, developing undersea human habitats, developing arid regions for human habitation, and other green technologies. When views the inhabited areas of Earth, it becomes painfully obvious that tundra, desert, mountains, and huge areas of ocean are uninhabited.

What's inhabited isn't the point -- it's what we use. The space you use on this planet isn't just your home, it's the places you drive and the acreage that produces your food and the watershed that brings you water and the mines and factories and everything else that make the things you use -- it even includes the biomass that turns your exhalations back into air breathable by animals.

No, we shouldn't be looking for the second marriage; we should figure out how to make this marriage work. This is the wife we were meant for.



That is primarily because that is where the government funding went. Private dollars followed at the federal trough, as always. Those same energies by the government could be directed to working on resource conservation and energy development here on Earth. There is no need for it to be space directed for it to be happening. It simply isn't sexy to promote the other goals. Space is sexy. Alleviating poverty/hunger/pollution is just mundane by comparison.

Technologies developed by and for NASA do those things.
 
If that is true, I'll be appropriately enthralled. I'm assuming some sort of spectrometry has revealed titanium, gold or other similar metal valuable enough to justify the expense.

Mostly nickel and iron -- in purer form than any ore on earth. For an investment of several billions, they expect a return in the low trillions, just on those. If there's anything else in it, that's just a bonus. If, as is slightly possible, it has rare earth elements, we could see the world's first trillionaires.

I expect that about the time they start to actually change the thing's orbit, there will be international protests over aiming something so dangerous at our planet (even though it won't actually be). And once its final orbit is known, I expect claims by some countries over which it will orbit to rights to royalties.

The only unproven technology involved is that of connecting thrusters to an extraterrestrial body -- intercepting, landing on, and communicating with a RC unit have all been done successfully.

Of course there's good news and bad news with such a thing being done: the good news is that the price of iron and nickel will drop, because they'll have so much of it; the bad news is that they could very well gain a total monopoly over those metals by driving the price low enough no one can compete.

I don't think any of the great causes are free of bias, be they for civil rights, ecology, hunger, animal rights, gay rights, or whatever. The fact that the cause is just only encourages biased perspectives that are exaggerated. The main point of the article is the overconsumption by Americans and other Westerners, a point that is well-known.

It doesn't follow that the Earth cannot sustain, but that our use patterns are skewed. Vast amounts of water were recently found beneath Kenya (I think) and there is belief that other such huge aquifers exist elsewhere as yet undiscovered.

Aquifers are short-term solutions to water needs; as the US is showing with the Ogallala, even giant aquifers can be drawn down (trivia: reservoirs built in sand-hill country in Nebraska have been shown to lose as much as a quarter of their incoming water to the ground... thus contributing to replenishment of the aquifer, to the point that some have proposed building flood-diversion projects for that very purpose).

I make no argument that science's discoveries under NASA's banner were frivolous, only that the stated goal of space exploration isn't necessary in order to have great funded science. We have seriously underfunded alternative energy, salt water purification, and other more worthy goals in order to keep shooting bits into space.

It's not so much the funding as the point of view. Medical advances made by and with NASA came in a number of cases because no one had ever thought to ask questions in the "right way", with earth-bound thinking, but when asking from the point of view of astronauts they were obvious. I got a look at this sort of thing in an honors course on Form and Function, where we saw that many times large institutions fail to see things that become obvious when looked at by a selection of small institutions, because the large institution tends to mold people to conform to one viewpoint.

So undersea exploration could conceivably yield similar results, because it requires radically different ways of looking at things; OTOH, there's a lot in common between space and undersea operations, so great expectations may be disappointed.

Oh -- research into alternative energy sources has long been driven by the space effort: smaller power plants, more efficient ones, especially in the areas of solar. For that matter, if you're reading this on a laptop, or any mobile device, thank NASA; if you use any battery-driven power tools, thank NASA; if you like getting your temperature and pulse taken on the end of your finger, thank NASA; if you enjoy the panoramic views of sports events shown on TV, thank NASA; if you think the portable water filters that give potable water from some of the nastiest sources on the planet are great, thank NASA; if you appreciate the fact that mothers the world over can now give their infants a full-nutrient formula without breast milk, thank NASA; and... remember the sports bras revealed when the American women's soccer team won that Olympic medal? thank NASA; if you appreciate grooved pavement that makes roads less slick under heavy rain, thank NASA; if you're impressed by self-righting boats that allow the Coast Guard to rescue people that would have been written off before, thank NASA.
So NASA has been in the lead, often the only leader, in such things as your salt-water purification, and alternative energy, and feeding the world. It's still one of the best investments ever made.

NASA even gave us hang-gliders -- it was one of the first design concepts for getting a space capsule safely back to earth, scaled down by NASA engineers for weekend recreation.
 
My point remains all the credit due NASA might just as well be attributed to federally funded science, as the government has spent precious little outside it on pure science.

There would be much more affordable energy and water if NASA had really been pursuing those technologies with all the resources it puts toward space travel.

The potential of bringing an apocalypse rock into near earth orbit will surely bring legislation to prevent it. I'll wager they would have to prove it could be done with an lunar orbit first, as an error in our own orbit could wipe out a small country or worse.

As for space rights, that's a bit illogical altogether, or there would already be some lined up to claim the moon.

You don't get the point: no one would have been pursuing those things if it hadn't been for space flight, because no one was asking the questions in the right way.

As for the "apocalypse rock", I look forward to lots of popcorn moments with the international furor when this really gets rolling.

Though from my point of view, NASA should be going after an asteroid -- there are some conceivably retrievable that would be worth $20+ trillion... enough to pay off the national debt. :D
 
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