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[xbuzzerx]

Anyone who doesn't read a work of literature the way it itself indicates it is to be read is doing it wrong, yes. The alternative is that nothing means anything at all.

So where are these specific instructions that tell one exactly how to read the Bible, and exactly how to prioritize the things it says?

Because a couple thousand years and as many different sects and denominations of Christianity, up to and including the present day, seem to indicate there is no path so straightforward and unequivocally correct to the true understanding as your posts are indicating.

 

[pat grimshaw]

This thread has turned into a battle of two dogmatists

 

[star-warrior]

"...very many other things in the Bible" are not of importance --no detail or set of details is important. What's important is what the collection as a whole is about, and that's the Christ -- that's what the whole set of books points to. It's not a matter of elevating some things and neglecting others, it's a matter of treating the collection as literature and paying attention to what it's saying. And what it says is that the whole thing is about the Messiah, the Christ -- that starts right off in Genesis 3 and keeps going.

So unless you think that people in the future will decide for some reason that literature isn't to be read the way it itself says to read it, no -- no one who does not put the Christ in the center of it all even actually knows how to read. That's the way it's been down through the centuries, one of the great things that brought C S Lewis and others to Christ: that message of the Bible has continue through every generation, right up until today.

Lol.

 

[Kulindahr]

So where are these specific instructions that tell one exactly how to read the Bible, and exactly how to prioritize the things it says?

Because a couple thousand years and as many different sects and denominations of Christianity, up to and including the present day, seem to indicate there is no path so straightforward and unequivocally correct to the true understanding as your posts are indicating.

They're all over the place, starting in Genesis 3, and really heavy in the Prophets. Jesus Himself says the entire Old Testament was written to point to Him, and Paul makes the same point repeatedly.

All that the numerous sects and denominations show is that people love to appropriate things they think give them authority to their own purposes, and are really good at convincing themselves that they've got it right. It's a phenomenon not limited to religion; we have a very good example of someone whose thought warps everything according to what he wants to believe right here in CE&P.

 

[bankside]

"...very many other things in the Bible" are not of importance --no detail or set of details is important. What's important is what the collection as a whole is about, and that's the Christ -- that's what the whole set of books points to. It's not a matter of elevating some things and neglecting others, it's a matter of treating the collection as literature and paying attention to what it's saying. And what it says is that the whole thing is about the Messiah, the Christ -- that starts right off in Genesis 3 and keeps going.

So unless you think that people in the future will decide for some reason that literature isn't to be read the way it itself says to read it, no -- no one who does not put the Christ in the center of it all even actually knows how to read. That's the way it's been down through the centuries, one of the great things that brought C S Lewis and others to Christ: that message of the Bible has continue through every generation, right up until today.

It was actually reading C.S. Lewis that helped me to appreciate something can be fictional, yet meaningful, yet still undoubtedly man-made fiction. It's a pity he never learned that from his own writing.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

OMG it sounds too horrible for me to even watch & get upset over. Unfortunately this horrific attitude prevails in too many societies. It is nothing short of warfare which warfare is unfair. What is so wrong with one man sucking another man's cock or one man allowing another man to fvk him. I have enjoyed gay sex since early on in my youth and find gay sex very pleasurable.

I wish all gay young men success in your lives. I don't understand the hatred. Too terrible for all.

Peace out and happy sexting to all .

 

[Kulindahr]

The selective adoption and interpretation of scriptures is not new, nor is it unique to Christianity. The words are always interpreted through the lens of the present. Even Muslims who make such a to-do about pristine texts must admit that the Koran has been radically interpreted in differing ways both now and in the past. Mohamed hardly practiced jihad in Medina where he coexisted with both Jewish and Christian people.

Judaism itself was very selective in what was enforced in their own law. It did not take them long to not observe the Year of Jubilee every 49th year when debts were supposed to be absolved and mortgages reversed entirely. Another easy example is the New Testament's account of the woman caught in adultery. The Writ makes it pretty obvious that the man was not being stoned, suggesting the people of the area were selectively punishing "a harlot" and most likely letting the man go free.

Laws, be they with teeth, stones, or just moral force, are rarely universally applied.

The real tragedy as far as laws and Christianity is that Christ is the end of the Law -- yet people constantly want to turn back to law.

To Kuli's point about the impure being unable to interpret rightly, I would not agree. The Magi were not even Hebrews, yet they interpreted the stars correctly and found the Christ when he was but a toddler, and they were hardly Christians in any sense a modern man could decipher.

Wait -- where did I make such a point?

But, those who don't want to see the truth in the revelations surely will not, unless something as miraculous as St. Paul's conversion transpires. St. Paul was radically antagonistic to the point of encouraging and attending Christian stonings. Nothing short of a miracle accounts for his conversion. I will be quick to say how little I dislike the degree of sway he had in writing the majority of the New Testament books, but he surely was hand-picked.

And, to the observation about California's voters, everyone knows the liberal branches of Christianity are vastly outnumbered within the faith by Catholics and Fundamentalists. The depressing truth is that California isn't nearly as progressive as it advertizes. If it were, no amount of Baptist, Catholic, Mormon, and Charismatic money could have swayed the vote.

Oh, California is definitely as progressive as is claimed -- the issue is that they just don't get excited about it. So many were so certain of the progressive nature of the state that they didn't feel the need to go vote.

 

[Kulindahr]

OMG it sounds too horrible for me to even watch & get upset over. Unfortunately this horrific attitude prevails in too many societies. It is nothing short of warfare which warfare is unfair. What is so wrong with one man sucking another man's cock or one man allowing another man to fvk him. I have enjoyed gay sex since early on in my youth and find gay sex very pleasurable.

I wish all gay young men success in your lives. I don't understand the hatred. Too terrible for all.

Peace out and happy sexting to all .

Jesus described the hatred ahead of time, speaking of people who will look at good and call it evil, and take evil and call it good.

 

[Kulindahr]

Bankside bolded your words that lend themselves to that interpretation. How then would you explain the section he bolded?

I just went through the whole thread and can't find any words of mine Bankside bolded.

Then I would be forced to agree with others here that they are very poor champions indeed if they couldn't be arsed to vote in such a contentious election.

That's exactly why there was a good bit of resentment of the younger set around here after the Prop 8 results came out. All the talk of just waiting till the older generation dies off, and no effort to go out and fight.

 

[frankfrank]

The problem in California was not that "Liberal christians went out by the masses to vote against us" -- the truth is that they, along with young people, just didn't bother to vote... but the bigots sure did.

Oh, California is definitely as progressive as is claimed -- the issue is that they just don't get excited about it. So many were so certain of the progressive nature of the state that they didn't feel the need to go vote.

Consider the statewide races in ANY/ALL states that will be voted on in November: Senators, Representatives in the few smallest-population states, ballot initiatives, etc. As the election nears, there will be incessant polling - the nature of the media beast - and in almost all cases the Republican or the Democrat, the Yes or the No, will be ahead and forecasted to win.

Without exception, if all of the people from "the underdog side" (such as Democrats in Mississippi or Republicans in New Jersey) decide to vote en masse for their Senators, etc. - and the likely winning side voted in numbers they usually vote - EVERY statewide race would go the other way. Furthermore, if all the Democrats in Mississippi decided to vote and all the Republicans in New Jersey did likewise, Mississippi's Congressional delegation (House of Representatives) would be entirely Democratic, and perhaps New Jersey might send one or two Democrats to Congress but it would be mostly Republican representatives.

Thus shows the power of voting, but many people need to do it of course.

This thread has turned into a battle of two dogmatists

You don't want your Mom to be mauled by that pit bull. "Beware of dog, Ma!"

 

[xbuzzerx]

They're all over the place, starting in Genesis 3, and really heavy in the Prophets. Jesus Himself says the entire Old Testament was written to point to Him, and Paul makes the same point repeatedly.

All that the numerous sects and denominations show is that people love to appropriate things they think give them authority to their own purposes, and are really good at convincing themselves that they've got it right. It's a phenomenon not limited to religion; we have a very good example of someone whose thought warps everything according to what he wants to believe right here in CE&P.

You'd get no argument from me that sects have evolved for the reason you've given. You'd get extreme skepticism from me that your particular blend of Christian interpretation (whatever it may be) is the one exception. Or that there's any rationally, objectively, factually unequivocal way to establish such an interpretation as the one correct one (if it exists.)

 

[xbuzzerx]

And, to the observation about California's voters, everyone knows the liberal branches of Christianity are vastly outnumbered within the faith by Catholics and Fundamentalists. The depressing truth is that California isn't nearly as progressive as it advertizes. If it were, no amount of Baptist, Catholic, Mormon, and Charismatic money could have swayed the vote.

That's exactly why there was a good bit of resentment of the younger set around here after the Prop 8 results came out. All the talk of just waiting till the older generation dies off, and no effort to go out and fight.

We have a (relatively) low turnout for purely in-state ballots compared to national elections--- just like every single other state does. It's a somewhat gaycentric view of life to think that to most Californians this one vote was "particularly special" compared to the ballots they stayed home about regarding state sales tax rates or the state deficit crisis or whatever else.

However. Prop 8 was surrounded by an incredibly saturating radio ad campaign funded by religious coalitions and out of state interests that were incredibly misleading. It's not a matter of people being lazy, or of people being stupid. I'm a college educated person and from the radio ads alone I did not know a) what the hell the Proposition was about (most of them made you think it was a vote on whether or not teachers had to teach homosexuality in public schools-- not kidding) b) even if you knew what it was about, the language and the phrasing of the proposition itself made it inherently confusing how you were supposed to vote to get the result you wanted. You were basically required to do your own separate research or else you almost assuredly were going to vote incorrectly as someone who was not being directly told by a church "how to cast your vote" on the ballot.

So if you don't really know much about "how prop 8 turned out the way it did" (or just don't know crap about California..), don't just sit back and cast lazy armchair conclusions about why you think the vote went badly. This issue became a Supreme Court case due to a variety of problems with it, not the least of which was the fact that so much money had come from out of state to influence our internal election with murky and misleading scare tactic ad campaigns.

This kind of crap was on the air *constantly.* People didn't know what the F it was about. The other half of the ads that didn't make it sound like a bill requiring public schools to teach homosexuality to kids made it sound like people were going to be fired or lose their jobs if they were religious or considered marriage to be between a man and a woman.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Daniel's directed funds to a homeless shelter for gay kids, raising 10K for them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...ised-online-to-finance-LGBT-homeless-shelter#

 

[Keeland]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...ised-online-to-finance-LGBT-homeless-shelter#

In an interview, which can be seen here, Lost N' Found Executive Director says roughly 50 percent of gay teens in the [Bible Belt of the] southeast who come out to their parents are disowned and kicked out of their homes, calling it an "epidemic."

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