Viva Versace! - Objectifying Men Since 1978.

[carey579]

Is this the first time ever that a mainstream music video has men objectified by women openly? There have been other videos before where men have been objectified but never has it been the main theme. Even in this video Jennifer still appears sexy herself and is doing provocative moves making it not fully women oriented (imo it could be much better still). Whereas in a typical music video the men are usually ugly and it's just the women who are presented as sex objects.

About the Versace connection - the jumpsuit on Jennifer is the same pattern as the Versace 'Jungle Dress' that she wore years ago. That immediately reminded me of an interview of Donatella Versace I watched on YouTube. At around 24:22 they talk about how Versace ads objectify men and the women are made to look powerful but also how women are objectified more than ever in today's world.

I knew immediately when I saw 'I Luh Ya Papi' (which I learned of through Queerty otherwise I do not follow JLO or most mainstream artists, one of the reasons being there is too much one sided objectification that unfortunately is not the side I enjoy) that Versace had something to do with it. Donatella & JLO are apparently good friends - Donatella even presented her the Glamour Magazine award. Then today I saw the new Lady Gaga video (again from a gay magazine on FaceBook) in which Gaga dances in a blue room that screams Versace and boys dressed in gold with golden bows which was the theme of a recent Versace ad. Since Gaga is even closer to Donatella, I'm thinking again she had some hand behind it.

(I'm not promoting this look as chic fashion btw In my fantasy sex dungeon maybe )

I'm just really grateful to Donatella, whose recent menswear collection included leather assless chaps, for injecting a dose of male objectification in these days of male skin drought in mainstream videos. Its like the pink elephant in the room that the sheep population can't see and the ones who do have no balls to do anything about it. I don't condemn sexualisation (that would make me a hypocrite ) but our mainstream culture is too one sided! I don't have much hope that things will drastically change and soon just looking at how far we've come till today.

To this day I haven't seen a single completely female oriented porn scene ever! ​

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

You must have missed the 90's entirely - hell, the 80's too. Which isn't a shock, at all.

 

[carey579]

You must have missed the 90's entirely - hell, the 80's too. Which isn't a shock, at all.

You must have missed this. Which isn't a shock, at all.

There have been other videos before where men have been objectified but never has it been the main theme.

 

[SaskGuy]

We get to look at hot guys in the media. What's the downside?
I'd rather they be objectified by other men though

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

You must have missed this. Which isn't a shock, at all.

Except, no, I didn't, which is why my response still stands.

Want to try again?

 

[carey579]

Except, no, I didn't, which is why my response still stands.

Want to try again?

Show me an original mainstream video (no feminist parodies) where the women are dressed and the men naked. The theme has to be about women deliberately objectifying men not just sexy shirtless men.

 

[nycguydowntown]

don't know who is going to age less gracefully her or Madonna---

 

[carey579]

don't know who is going to age less gracefully her or Madonna---

One of my pet peeves It's almost always associated with women.

Women are sexualised way more than men. Like it's expected of them and so emerge stars like Madonna, JLO, Beyonce, Miley but then women are sluts and men are studs.

I've never heard this term associated with Hugh Hefner or George Clooney who dates a new girl every year.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

^^I think Madonna won(lost?) that bet.

Show me an original mainstream video (no feminist parodies) where the women are dressed and the men naked. The theme has to be about women deliberately objectifying men not just sexy shirtless men.

So you mean, something other than the videos in your original post? Yeah, nice try kid, but if you don't even know how to make an apt comparison, why should I bother to crush this whole thing by memory?

 

[carey579]

Yeah, nice try

How many times have I read that in your comments? Not every one is trying to ambush people and humiliate them on the Internet like you MoufOfKhaos. I genuinely want to see you try and crush me by memory.

As always you have nothing except being bitter.​

 

[nycguydowntown]

One of my pet peeves It's almost always associated with women.

Women are sexualised way more than men. Like it's expected of them and so emerge stars like Madonna, JLO, Beyonce, Miley but then women are sluts and men are studs.

I've never heard this term associated with Hugh Hefner or George Clooney who dates a new girl every year.

Men are men and can have kids up until they are 90plus--but woman can't and unfortunately these woman can screw all the 20 year old gold diggers they want and good for them---but in the end there are not too many super young men and woman 30 plus years older than them that last very long---it's biology they want a family and kids. Ashton Kutcher comes to mind. It's a double standard in society--It's not fair but it is what it is. I come from a family of strong woman and I always expect them to be better than a man and his penis. I get they are both powerful woman and go thru young men like a bag of potato chips---whatever--oh and Beyonce isn't a slut.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

I don't "ambush" and "humiliate" - that makes it seem like I follow you, and I really don't.

And calling me "bitter" when you just put some sad visitor message on my profile in an attempt to "pity" me or call me ugly? Yeah, among not really researching what you're talking about and then taking it to heart because I noted it, you're also a hypocrite for trying to "attack" me, because you think I attack you.

Change the insipid parameters, and then I won't have a problem listing videos in where women hold men up as objects - and are more dressed than J.Lo in the booty shorts and Versace dress. Otherwise, don't bother trying come for me "personally", especially having nerve enough to hide your face so that no one can do it to you(not that this matters, my face isn't in my profile and even if it was, takes more than a faceless guy and a guy I don't know trying to call me ugly - or trying to mock "pity" me - to get me all "bothered").

 

[carey579]

I don't "ambush" and "humiliate" - that makes it seem like I follow you, and I really don't.

And calling me "bitter" when you just put some sad visitor message on my profile in an attempt to "pity" me or call me ugly? Yeah, among not really researching what you're talking about and then taking it to heart because I noted it, you're also a hypocrite for trying to "attack" me, because you think I attack you.

Change the insipid parameters, and then I won't have a problem listing videos in where women hold men up as objects - and are more dressed than J.Lo in the booty shorts and Versace dress. Otherwise, don't bother trying come for me "personally", especially having nerve enough to hide your face so that no one can do it to you(not that this matters, my face isn't in my profile and even if it was, takes more than a faceless guy and a guy I don't know trying to call me ugly - or trying to mock "pity" me - to get me all "bothered").

I think you are 'bothered' or else why finally such a long response?

Post those videos or don't bother with this paper doll.

 

[carey579]

That's a shitty thing to do Carey.

If he can call me a lifeless paper doll who has never posted anything interesting on JUB (yet replies to me on every thread) then why can't I return him the favor?

 

[pat grimshaw]

I wish this stuff could be translated into my language—


I put it down for a brother like you
Give it to you right in the car, that's you
We can first give you some of this, that's you
And you're all loving that J.Lo, true

Hold up, I can get you thrown up
Pull your trigger, go and get your gun up
All the time I hear her talk

Put a pin in it, now I'm ready, let it rock
Keep it number 1, that's easy mathematics
Keep it number 1, baby, ain't no static

Got that hourglass for you, baby, look at these legs
No brakes, go green, no red
If you wanna kill the body, gotta start with the head
Put it on you, I'mma need about 4-5 beds
Cause I love my papi

And I need you now
Ain't had none like you in a while

I luh ya papi, I luh ya papi
I luh ya luh ya luh ya papi
I luh ya papi

All day, 24 hour
Feeling like I want one when it's crowded
If you wanna hear your name, I shout it
Boy, you the shit, go and take a power shower

And I'm feeling like it's me and you, I don't doubt it
You can drop it how you want, I ain't trying to call Miley
I'm loving me some you
Started from the bottom, baby, then we went roof

I love you, mami, I-I love you, mami
Baby, you the shit, I-I love you, mami
Shorty got me catching feelings

And that rave drop reaching for the ceiling
Southside Bronx, Teterboro, just overseas
Take the pants out here, drop to her knees
Oh my, I'm a don like Omar

Speed it up slow ma, throw it back, throw my
Rock-rock Gators like mother chords players
You can hate to love us, you can love to hate us
From the bottom it been real
From the bottom shorty been trill

And even though we made it to the top
Still J.Lo from the-the the block
Ey, I love you, mami, I love you, mami
Baby, you the shit, I-I love you, mami

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Because insulting people is against the rules, as is bringing an argument from one thread into another, if you don't like him, put him on ignore, problem solved.

When have you ever played by the rules? I don't recall them ever stopping you from insulting people.

 

[dereperez]

All this high-fashion stuff goes right over my head....whoosh....

 

[m1thousand]

Is this the first time ever that a mainstream music video has men objectified by women openly?

The prelude to the video has the women discussing men as sex objects so the visuals are more blatant to match the theme of the video (sexuallizing men).


Red Light District - TLC
Its Raining Men - Weather Girls
Physical - Olivia Newton John

 

[RalphQ]

I really liked that last Versace pic, made me shop around for chaps.

 

[m1thousand]

I thought I would check out the chaps.

4:17 or 5:11 (chaps)