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Waiting until marriage to have sex

Well if that's what you think that open relationships value most, you're just wrong. At least in mine, in most ways, sex is the least important thing. People who put huge value on sex, place all kinds of portentous expectations on it, think that the worst thing that can be done is promiscuity, and put huge value on their own virginity - sound familiar.

Sex is a natural function of your body, it's necessary, no more, no less.

Thanks, but from the culture I come from -- open relationships are unheard of.

I'm a pretty traditional person. If I was straight, I would be getting an arranged marriage to an Indian girl in the next couple years. It would be assumed that we would have children together shortly thereafter, and raise our children immersed in Indian culture -- even though we lived in the American suburbs.

Also from where I come from, the topic of "sex" is taboo. My father never discussed the "birds & the bees" with me. My parents never talked to me about alcohol or drugs etc., partly because they never had to. I was always a sheltered kid growing up.
 
Thanks, but from the culture I come from -- open relationships are unheard of.

I'm a pretty traditional person. If I was straight, I would be getting an arranged marriage to an Indian girl in the next couple years. It would be assumed that we would have children together shortly thereafter, and raise our children immersed in Indian culture -- even though we lived in the American suburbs.

Also from where I come from, the topic of "sex" is taboo. My father never discussed the "birds & the bees" with me. My parents never talked to me about alcohol or drugs etc., partly because they never had to. I was always a sheltered kid growing up.

Well, all of that is value judgement and cultural idiosyncrasy. How much use is that going to be to you, who aren't going to get married to a woman, and don't live in India. Even American gay men from conservative backgrounds have problems assimilating cultural attitudes designed for straight people into gay relationships.

If you can't let go of that, your best bet is going to be to find an Indian guy like yourself. how easy that's going to be, i don't know.
 
:wave:I am having a problem with the facts as you state them - that you are gay but you have not had sex or even close bodily contact with another male. To the contrary, you state that you feel uncomfortable and tend to withdraw physically when getting close to another man. Therefore, you have nothing to go on concerning your potential sexuality other than what you feel is in your head. And to me, at least, that would not constitute assurance that I was gay.

I have to respectfully disagree with that comment too. I knew when I was 12 or 13 that I was probably gay. Actually, my first crush on a guy was when I was 5 years old -- it was my (male) kindergarten teacher. I remember at the end of kindergarten, we had a pool party -- and while we kids were playing in the pool (the moms were there too), I saw my kindergarten teacher laying by the pool. He looked so handsome, with a mustache, in a Tom Selleck, 1980s kind of way....

But I digress. I have never been (sexually) with a girl, but I have always known I was attracted to guys. I wished I could have been attracted to girls, but deep down I always knew I liked guys.
 
Well, all of that is value judgement and cultural idiosyncrasy. How much use is that going to be to you, who aren't going to get married to a woman, and don't live in India. Even American gay men from conservative backgrounds have problems assimilating cultural attitudes designed for straight people into gay relationships.

If you can't let go of that, your best bet is going to be to find an Indian guy like yourself. how easy that's going to be, i don't know.

I know it's difficult. Especially because I'm generally not attracted to other Indian guys -- I generally find myself attracted to White guys, especially White guys from conservative backgrounds.

Unfortunately, most of those kind of White guys only want other White guys. Or so it seems.
 
The dirty little secret of American gay life is the amount of prejudice in it.
 
It sounds to me that you are not comfortable with your body or with the idea of being physically intimate with another person. I don't want to downplay your desire to wait until you find the person you want to spend the rest of your life with before you have sex. However, you express a fear of being awkward and being nervous about "doing it right" and "the mechanics" of sex, which suggests to me that your issue with sex goes beyond your being gay or wanting to wait for the right person.

Are you athletic or do you exercise? Perhaps if you felt better about your body and your physical prowess, your fear of having sex would diminish. This is important, whether or not you wait for "the one" to have sex.

Although I wish it weren't the case, I hesitantly agree with you. I'm not totally comfortable with my body, especially when I'm in the proximity of other gay men. I have an "average" male body by American heterosexual standards, but by gay standards, I am fat and not too good-looking. I do have love handles and even though I try to diet and workout regularly, I still have a small tummy.

I'm in the Los Angeles area, and whenever I'm out and about in most places, I feel perfectly fine. But whenever I venture into West Hollywood -- even if it's the grocery store in WeHo -- I feel really fat and out-of-shape. I see all of these guys everywhere in West Hollywood with these perfect physiques -- really skinny and lean, or super built and muscular -- and then there's my flabby self.
 
I lived in WEHO for eight years. On the surface it can look intimidating, but that's because your attention is on that uber hot muscle bunny in line in front of you, not on the perfectly normal gay dude in line behind you. The hot guys are thick on the ground there though, which I always kinda thought was a plus.

If you only stick to the big clubs, you only see the scensters, but there are a lot of places in WEHO where there are regular guys hanging out. They're just not on the tourist map, and the guys who hang out in the big clubs, by and large don't live in WEHO.

Have you tried Silverlake?
 
I think that when you meet the right guy you will want to have sex with him -- and that will be before you are married. I can't imagine falling in love with someone and not wanting to have sex with him. It is part of what love is -- and you need to know if you are sexually compatible before settling in for the long haul.

I agree with the above. There's absolutely nothing wrong with waiting until you're ready, even waiting until you're in love. I do think it's a mistake to wait until you're married, but I understand that part of this may be cultural for you.
 
I lived in WEHO for eight years. On the surface it can look intimidating, but that's because your attention is on that uber hot muscle bunny in line in front of you, not on the perfectly normal gay dude in line behind you. The hot guys are thick on the ground there though, which I always kinda thought was a plus.

If you only stick to the big clubs, you only see the scensters, but there are a lot of places in WEHO where there are regular guys hanging out. They're just not on the tourist map, and the guys who hang out in the big clubs, by and large don't live in WEHO.

Have you tried Silverlake?

I haven't been to Silverlake. I'm in the Valley (Sherman Oaks), so West Hollywood is the closest to me.
 
It's your body, your life, and your right. I'll only say that up some point, you're probably going to stop thinking of sex as just this special bond between 2 people in love, and recognize that it's a fun activity that can be enjoyed between you and lots of other guys in lots of different ways. If you're in your mid-20's, your prime sexual years have already passed. I hope you're not regretful later, after waiting to share with some special guy, who at any time and for many reasons may no longer be a part of your life.

Thanks, but I respectfully disagree with you. I just don't view sex as the "be all and end all" of life. Frankly, I would just be happy kissing and cuddling with one man -- I don't need to have the sex.

I don't mind that my prime sexual years have already passed. I'm not looking for sex. I'm more interested in the emotional and psychological bonds and well-being that comes when you have someone else to care about, and when that person cares about you as well. Yes, sex does play into that. But I just don't see it as the major or overriding factor of a relationship that I would pursue.
 
To add on the my previous point.........for me, it's like someone asking me, "Would you rather be in a relationship with a man who is rock-star handsome & a sexual dynamo in the bedroom but has poor relations with his family members, is not good with managing money, and is self-absorbed.........OR.........Would you rather be in a relationship with an average man who is mediocre in bed, but is a caring and kind-hearted individual, is close with his family, and is financially stable?"

I would choose the 2nd option every time.
 
I have first to point out that all of us come from one culture or another, or from many cultures.

And yet all of us are equally free to accept, reject, adapt, subvert, embrace, or selectively endorse the values which those cultures can only suggest to us.

So stop worrying about "your culture." It isn't yours or anybody's. No culture is "yours." Moreover, no culture is "not yours." When you decide what you will accept in a relationship, you're really talking about your values. They are truly yours. Your happiness can be based on any idea from the common heritage of mankind.

And though I have no south Asian heritage, I shared the same values of waiting until one person would be confirmed as my one partner in life. Loyalty and a lifelong journey were more important to me than the idea of sex.

That principle sustained me but also allowed me to hide from my true sexuality. When you decide to wait for marriage, you can date a woman for a really long time without any questions being asked about sexual orientation because after all, you're waiting for marriage. I almost made a terrible choice.

When I came out, I discovered that recognition of my desires did not change my values and the importance I place on loyalty.

I met some people who thought of that as perhaps a romantic ideal, but impractical. Other people who were horrified by the idea and thought I was limiting myself somehow by not having random sex with people soon to be forgotten. And the very few people who might have shared the same approach to relationships were no closer to being a good match for me just by virtue of sharing the same values.

Faced with this unfulfilling situation, and going on a few years of celibate dates with different men whose values I quickly learned were quite divergent from mine, I let myself attempt something less than a real relationship with someone who had been a longstanding friend. But I couldn't go through with it! I called things off partway through an intimate situation that was intimate only in the physical sense of proximity, and even then we didn't really get anywhere...

There was no choice for me but to wait. As frustrating as that was, it would just have been foolish for me to continue denying what I need for a physical sexual relationship, which is love, loyalty, partnership, a future, and a shared life.

And, in my mid twenties, I found the man I'm with 13 years later. He too had very limited prior experience, and most of our sexual knowledge is only of each other. We have a full relationship in all respects, and though marriage was not legal in Canada when we first met, it would have been our path at the time if it had been an option.

I couldn't have the kind of relationship you want for the reasons you want. I could not accept a physical relationship that was based on any concept of dominance or submission. I don't understand how that relates to the physical act of making love, even less so in a homosexual situation than a heterosexual situation; my mind just rejects it, cruelly if need be. The idea of a non-versatile relationship, barring some kind of medical justification, actually provokes a physical reaction of distaste.

But to each his own! :) And the concept of exploring sexuality within a framework of loyalty is completely familiar to me, and from my own experience, it is better to just wait for it rather than try to force yourself into something else. Trying to force myself into something else and bailing before it really got anywhere, it just became apparent to me how futile that would be, and wasted the time of someone with different ideas of how to spend a fun evening.
 
Although I wish it weren't the case, I hesitantly agree with you. I'm not totally comfortable with my body, especially when I'm in the proximity of other gay men. I have an "average" male body by American heterosexual standards, but by gay standards, I am fat and not too good-looking. I do have love handles and even though I try to diet and workout regularly, I still have a small tummy.

I'm in the Los Angeles area, and whenever I'm out and about in most places, I feel perfectly fine. But whenever I venture into West Hollywood -- even if it's the grocery store in WeHo -- I feel really fat and out-of-shape. I see all of these guys everywhere in West Hollywood with these perfect physiques -- really skinny and lean, or super built and muscular -- and then there's my flabby self.

Worry less about how you look and more about how you feel. Try different forms of exercise until you find something you enjoy doing. If you become more adept at some physical activity, and feel healthy, you may find that when you think of sex, you will picture yourself as a guy who will move gracefully and confidently in bed.
 
I don't mind that my prime sexual years have already passed. I'm not looking for sex. I'm more interested in the emotional and psychological bonds and well-being that comes when you have someone else to care about, and when that person cares about you as well. Yes, sex does play into that. But I just don't see it as the major or overriding factor of a relationship that I would pursue.

This is what you're saying now since you have not had sex. Once you had sex with someone you're attracted to...man, you'll feel otherwise. There is a healthy balance with love and sex in an intimate relationship. A sexless relationship is not what most men want.

When you're in a relationship with another person, you need to care about the other person's needs & desire as well. It's not all about you anymore. From what you have written so far, you need to look for someone who shares your value that sex is not that important in a relationship to be compatible with you. Otherwise, your partner will be frustrated of not be able to have sex with you. Resentment will surface.

If I were you in your shoes, don't even worry about sex at this stage. You're not ready. Work on improving your self esteem & self confidence. If you don't like the way your body look, improve it by exercising. Learn and develop a healthier eating habbit. This is something you have control over your life. Get a personal trainer if you have to. Expand your social circle to get various perspectives outside of your own culture. Start dating. You will have bad dates...I can guarantee that. But that's ok, it's like learning to ride a bicycle...you will fall. But you will learn to get back up and start peddling again.

The universal law of physics states that if left alone, things will naturally descend into chaos. An intersting life is always a life in progress (otherwise, life is boring if you think you know everything there is to know). You will never stop learning. Improve area of your life that you have control of. We all have problems. That's not news. It is "what are you going to do about it?" that turns the tide. ..|
 
If you want to save it, thats a personal decision that you need to make and you need to find a guy to respect that. I, however, am a firm believer in "try it before you buy it." Bad sexual relations is one of the major causes of divorce so if the sex is bad before you're married you can figure it out before you get too intertwined
 
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