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Was Francis Douglas murdered?

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That's Francis Douglas, Viscount Drumlanrig on the right. He apparently had a relationship with Archibald Primrose and died during a shooting party 'accident' a few months after Archibald became Prime Minister.

On the left is his brother Lord Alfred Douglas who had a scandalous relationship with Oscar Wilde. Their father was the Marquess of Queensberry after whom the Marquess of Queensberry Rules were named.

The Marquess had a very public dispute with Oscar Wilde. Afraid to lose another son he threatened to expose the Prime Minister's supposed relationship if his government did not prosecute Wilde. They did.

Sorry if this is too random and the words sound robotic but I'm really fascinated by this. So what do you guys think? Was he murdered? IMO this is another of those mysteries that will never be officially solved but we know the truth all along.
 
I'm not attempting to solve a 120 year old case here.

Just that the circumstances of his life, those surrounding him and his death suggest a particular answer.

So, you plan to present some evidence other than speculative gossip?

You are implying murder after all, so there should be something more than suspicion.
 
- A Victorian era homosexual son of a peer has an affair with a politician.

- That politician goes on to become the Prime Minister of the biggest empire the world has ever seen.

- Few months later he is found dead on a private estate, shot by his own gun.

Those are facts enough for me to believe he was murdered. Can I prove it to the world and rewrite history? Most probably not. No need to go into lawyer mode.
 
His father pulled the trigger.

LOL it wasn't his father. He was a homophobe but he wanted to 'save' his sons from homosexuals/homosexuality. That's why he wanted to persecute Wilde.

From Wiki:

Queensberry believed, as he put it in a letter, that "Snob Queers like Rosebery" had corrupted his sons, and he held Rosebery indirectly responsible for Drumlanrig's death.

He also wouldn't threaten to expose Queensberry if he had killed his own son.
 
To the contrary, the subject shooting was not witnessed, the man being found dead in a ditch beside his own gun.

Ofcourse it wasn't.

Maybe I've read too much Agatha Christie or it's just common sense to know there's more than meets the eye.
 
LOL it wasn't his father. He was a homophobe but he wanted to 'save' his sons from homosexuals/homosexuality. That's why he wanted to persecute Wilde.

Oscar Wilde took legal action against the Marquis, father of his lover, Lord Alfred Douglas, after he found a visiting card left by Queensberry at the Albermarle club. It was inscribed with the words: 'For Oscar Wilde posing Somdomite."
 
I tried searching online to assist the investigation. :gogirl:

Here's a painting of him by William Edwards Miller.

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He looks very dashing and my gaydar is twitching. :mrgreen:

I also discovered that the painting is displayed in Petworth House in West Sussex - not far away from here. Apparently the National Trust display a lot of paintings there.

Here's a nice landscape of the house, by Turner.

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It would be a great subject for a high-brow documentary on BBC2. We need an investigation. ..|

Actually I should really visit Petworth House sometime - I like old landscapes. :)
 
It would be a great subject for a high-brow documentary on BBC2. We need an investigation. ..|

That will probably never happen. :(

BTW I hope there are no government shills here. I may accidentally :dead:
 
. . .

We need an investigation.

We'll need an up-to-date post mortem. Where is the body buried?

I've got shovels and lots of sharp and pointy things. I'll share, I promise.
 
I have discovered some more information. :gogirl:

There's a more in-depth recounting of the incident on Leigh Rayment's peerage site (which I sometimes use from time to time if I need to check the history of titles)

http://www.leighrayment.com/peers/peersK1.htm

From a paragraph at the bottom of the page:

Francis Archibald Douglas, Baron Kelhead

Francis Douglas was the eldest son of the 9th Marquess of Queensberry. Until 1893, Douglas was known by the courtesy title of Viscount Drumlanrig. As a young man, he was a lieutenant in the Coldstream Guards.

In 1892, William Gladstone became Prime Minister for the fourth and last time. The Foreign Secretary in his administration was Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery. Rumours abound as to Rosebery's sexuality; although married with four children, it was often rumoured that he was bisexual. Whatever the truth of these rumours, there is no doubt that he made Francis Douglas his protégé. He was introduced to Rosebery around 1892 and, in spite of any obvious qualifications, Rosebery appointed him to be his private secretary. Seeking to advance his young friend, Rosebery obtained for him the position of a Lord-in-Waiting to Queen Victoria. To qualify for this role, Francis needed to be a peer in his own right and he was accordingly created Baron Kelhead in June 1893.

Francis' father, the hot-headed Marquess of Queensberry and later bane of Oscar Wilde, was furious when his son was given entry into the House of Lords. Because Queensberry held no English titles, he had to rely upon being elected as a representative peer of Scotland in order to sit in the Lords. Although he had been a representative peer between 1872 and 1880, his fellow peers declined to re-elect him in 1880, due to his publicly professed atheism. Between 1880 and 1893, Queensberry found himself embroiled in a number of scandals, further details of which can be found at the foot of the page containing details of his peerage. When he heard of Rosebery's plan to elevate his son to the House of Lords, his reaction was typically violent. He wrote angry letters to Gladstone and Rosebery. He even wrote to the Queen, complaining of Rosebery's 'bad influence' on his son, which was probably an oblique accusation of homosexuality.

Soon after Francis' promotion, the Marquess pursued Rosebery to Bad Homburg in Germany where Rosebery was holidaying with the Prince of Wales. Queensberry, armed with a dog whip, was found lurking near Rosebery's hotel and the next day the local police chief was able to report to Rosebery that Queensberry had 'found it advisable to depart this morning with the 7 o'clock train for Paris.' However, news of the attempted assault started tongues wagging about the nature of the relationship between Rosebery and Lord Kelhead.

During the summer of 1894, Francis became engaged to a young woman named Alix Ellis. In October of that year, he accepted an invitation for a weekend's shooting at Quantock Lodge, near Bridgwater, the home of Alix's uncle, Edward Stanley (MP for Somerset West 1882-1885 and Bridgwater 1885-1906). On 19 October, while out with his fellow shooters, he went into the next field. After a few minutes, his companions heard a shot and, hurrying into the field, found Francis dead from a gunshot wound. At the subsequent inquest, the coroner recorded a verdict of accidental death, although public opinion was widely in favour of suicide.

Having lost one son in circumstances surrounded by rumours of homosexuality, it is possible that Queensberry was determined not to lose another, which may explain his implacable persecution of Oscar Wilde six months later.

I therefore deduce that it was a suicide.

Which is actually quite sad. Had he lived a century later, he'd have probably been openly gay and there'd be no controversy. Just another life lost in the pages of gay history. :(

Here's a picture of Quantock Lodge, Bridgwater, in the present day....

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....and a picture of the Earl of Rosebery, his almost certain lover (and Prime Minister 1894-1895)

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The story is much more complicated. The Queensbury title was Scots and did not give the Marquis the right to sit in the House of Lords. The Marquis became absolutely obsessed with having it made an English title as well. When Francis, then secretary to Rosebery was offered the position of Lord in Waiting to Queen Victoria, he needed an Engish title. Francis refused to accept, knowing it would upset his father. But with the consent of the Marquis, he accepted the title. But a month later. The Marquis became enraged at the insult to him of not getting the title which was given his son. At one point he publically accused the prime minister and Queen of conspiring against him. Of course, he became a social pariah. The Marquis accused Rosebery of having a "bad influence" on his son Francis, hinting about homosexuality.
The Marquis was so looney,and hostile to Rosebery over the title that it is hard to take seriously the claim is a homosexual relationship between Francis and Rosebery, but his belief in it explains his determination to attack Wilde for his relationship with Lord Alfred. All this is discussed in the book "Oscar and Bosie" by Trevor Fisher.
 
A few questions:
Who inherited the marquisate?
With two such beautiful sons, what did Queensbury and the marchioness look like?
A comment: Rosebery may very well have been infatuated with Lord Kelhead, but that hardly means they were lovers.
 
A few questions:
Who inherited the marquisate?
With two such beautiful sons, what did Queensbury and the marchioness look like?
A comment: Rosebery may very well have been infatuated with Lord Kelhead, but that hardly means they were lovers.

The title was inherited by the second son, Percy Douglas, Lord Alfred being the third son.
 
Could it be the work of Jack the Ripper while on his routine craigslist date?
 
It's one thing to wonder what may have been, but far different to suggest with no substantiation that a man murdered his son.

In this case, the bit that is "more than meets the eye" most likely is the son's suicide. We forget the substantial stigma of suicide in that century, and the implication of mental illness. If speculation is to be made at all, it would seem better directed to the power of the wealthy to influence coroner's findings to cover suicides.

I'm with Bender -- the Queensbury clan was crackers.

And they done cut the cheese!
 
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