Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

[naked gent]

^^ Hey jack don't hold anything back.

 

[TX-Beau]

Good for the CIA! They made this sub human piece of shit give up a plan to harm innocent people. They should get fucking medals for their good work. Of course people like you, would rather jail patriots and coddle terrorists.

END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS!!!! Welcome to the 15th century.

 

[TX-Beau]

^^ Hey jack don't hold anything back.

He's just happy dick waving for pleasure and profit.

 

[jackoroe]

END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS!!!! Welcome to the 15th century.

So we can take it that you would rather innocent people die, rather than this hair shirt wearing shitball get a bit moistened? You are actually supporting an admitted terrorist. At least we know where you stand.

 

[TX-Beau]

So we can take it that you would rather innocent people die, rather than this hair shirt wearing shitball get a bit moistened? You are actually supporting an admitted terrorist. At least we know where you stand.

We can be sure at least that I don't stand with any kind of tripe that comes out of your head.

But then, it's all part of the dick waving anyway. Perhaps if you put enough words into other people's mouths you just might win that argument you're having with yourself!!!!!

Persevere!

 

[HenryReardon]

So we can take it that you would rather innocent people die, rather than this hair shirt wearing shitball get a bit moistened? You are actually supporting an admitted terrorist. At least we know where you stand.

A - Of course he would.
and
B - Of course he is.

It is a shame that his 'dear leader' doesn't release all of the memos, including the ones that relate success stories.

 

[TX-Beau]

LOL Henry, I didn't realize that sloppy seconds was your thing.

 

[jackoroe]

We can be sure at least that I don't stand with any kind of tripe that comes out of your head.

But then, it's all part of the dick waving anyway. Perhaps if you put enough words into other people's mouths you just might win that argument you're having with yourself!!!!!

Persevere!

Well, here's your chance to defend your position. You obviously don't support what was done to the hair shirt wearing vermin. But as a result of it, we discovered another plot to kill innocent people.

A simple question, then. Would you rather moisten poor Mohammed or see scores of people killed? Because that's what it came down to, in this instance. It's one or the other.

Call it!

 

[TX-Beau]

To bad the only person you seem to interested in listening to:

Well, here's your chance to defend your position. You obviously don't support what was done to the hair shirt wearing vermin. But as a result of it, we discovered another plot to kill innocent people.

A simple question, then. Would you rather moisten poor Mohammed or see scores of people killed? Because that's what it came down to, in this instance. It's one or the other.

Call it!

My Chance!! Golly gee!

Too bad the only person you seem to interested in talking to:

So we can take it that you would rather innocent people die, rather than this hair shirt wearing shitball get a bit moistened? You are actually supporting an admitted terrorist. At least we know where you stand.

Is yourself.

I'll just have to pass on that, you seem to be doing fine all on your lonesome. Let me know what I decide will ya.

 

[letme]

To bad the only person you seem to interested in listening to:



My Chance!! Golly gee!

Too bad the only person you seem to interested in talking to:



Is yourself.

I'll just have to pass on that, you seem to be doing fine all on your lonesome. Let me know what I decide will ya.

So Tx you just attack what Jack says as apposed to defined yourself or debate the facts that Jack has posted ?

Fact is the USA is SAFE and has been SAFE . Fact is the persons that were assigned to the task of keeping US SAFE ,did their jobs.

Keep sitting in your easy chair with that smirk on your face ,thinking you just blasted Jack.....
People like Jack (myself) GWB ,the past 4 Directors of the CIA ,VP Cheney etc .have aloud you to wear that smirck..............Wear it proud and thank your ass 9-11 X2 has not happened .......yet......

 

[TX-Beau]

LOL. well don't I feel silly.

 

[Glafna]

Yes, of course, your one of those who would extend Constitutional rights to terrorists. You claim they were held illegally. Provide us with a cite, from a competent court of law, that has held this to be the case and ordered them freed. I've heard all of this nonsensical caterwauling about "illegalities". Laws are determined by courts. Yet the courts have yet to shut down Club Gitmo, nor prohibit water boarding of these fucking "boy scouts"!

In fact, we have evidence that these techniques have in fact saved the lives of innocent people. A plot to attack Los Angeles, with planes in much the same manner as 9-11, was disrupted, thanks to water boarding one of these filthy scum bags. Khalid Shiekh Mohammed, an admitted not suspected mastermind of 9-11, told interrogators of the plan after water boarding loosened his slimy tongue.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949

Good for the CIA! They made this sub human piece of shit give up a plan to harm innocent people. They should get fucking medals for their good work. Of course people like you, would rather jail patriots and coddle terrorists.

And of course you missed the point of when I mentioned my almost drowning....

It is a HORRIFYING experience, and is something you have to experience to understand. To have that done to me over 200 times, I would say ANYTHING to get them to stop, and to actually do that to someone means your either as hard-wired with the belief that the end justifies the means.... as with agencies that were condemned for said actions, or are some cruel piece of shit who gets a perverse pleasure out of it. Or your forced to do your job, and end up having nightmares about them screaming for you to stop.


And since you decided to post a link from an obviously biased website, I figured I'd look up some information about KSM, as they so nicely called him .

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wHpy3XEldg[/ame]
-The Young Turks. First time I've heard of them, and obviously slightly satirical in nature, and from what I can tell, left-wing in nature. video was posted in 07.

Although people don't think highly of wikipedia, as there are no flags put up by the mods, I assume that it's all the truth.

A nice little blurb

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization, although he lived in Kuwait rather than Afghanistan, heading al-Qaeda's propaganda operations from sometime around 1999. According to the 9/11 Commission Report he was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks". He is also thought to have had, or has confessed to, a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on Los Angeles' U.S. Bank Tower, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed

This one I'm not sure on, especially considering they still believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but they do a good job of listing his several "confessions".

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=KUP20070315&articleId=5087

A link by BBC. It does confirm that he is a member of Al Queada, and had a price on his head in connection to several incidents of terrorism. But it is this part that ties into the discussion at hand

In February 2008, the US admitted that it had interrogated Mr Mohammed using the controversial method of waterboarding, which simulates drowning.

At a pre-trial hearing at Guantanamo Bay in December 2008, Mr Mohammed said he wanted to plead guilty to all charges against him.

As far as I can tell, there is a good 10 month difference in between the US government admitting he was tortured with waterboarding to his "open" confession of guilt to the crimes. What exactly went on in those 10 months that convinced him he would declare he was guilty, as opposed to innocent, as cold-hearted, disgusting men (who, as jack is apparently putting him out to be), tend to plea?(Lemme guess, sounds like a conspiracy theory? DISPROVE it.)

Yes, he gave reliable information on one attack, and as far as i can tell the CIA might have already had this information.
And was it the total 200 times he was tortured that got him to "confess" or was it truly the confessions of a despicable human being.(Don't really care what you say jack, but very few people actually deserve the minnoker that your placing)
Don't you just love how people arem't straight forward with these things

 

[Glafna]

So Tx you just attack what Jack says as apposed to defined yourself or debate the facts that Jack has posted ?

Fact is the USA is SAFE and has been SAFE . Fact is the persons that were assigned to the task of keeping US SAFE ,did their jobs.

Keep sitting in your easy chair with that smirk on your face ,thinking you just blasted Jack.....
People like Jack (myself) GWB ,the past 4 Directors of the CIA ,VP Cheney etc .have aloud you to wear that smirck..............Wear it proud and thank your ass 9-11 X2 has not happened .......yet......

I don't agree with Tx post.. but I feel safer now that they are out of control of the most powerful country and intelligence agency in the world. Taking initiative is fine... but not when it includes going out of your countries jurisdiction to collect those they feel are a threat, with nothing but assumptions backing them. Also, I have the feeling those great men would rather have you in jail with the terrorists, as opposed to a free man.

Yes, several times they have been right, but how many misses were there before they gotten a few hits?

 

[Glafna]

So we can take it that you would rather innocent people die, rather than this hair shirt wearing shitball get a bit moistened? You are actually supporting an admitted terrorist. At least we know where you stand.

Now THAT is out of line.

NO ONE here is stating that they are supporting an admitted terrorist, you are making assumptions based upon your beliefs.

Prove yourself to be worthy of being a mod and stop doing that.


Tx was stating that the belief that the End justifies the Means is a medieval belief, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[TX-Beau]

Lives were saved, it wasn't considered torture at the time (not sure that it should be), information that was gleaned we now know stopped a cell from attacking another building. Sounds like a job well done.

Not saying that everyone one at Guantanamo should be waterboarded but this man was the confessed "master mind" of the attacks. So no, I have no sympathy for him.

Actually it was considered torture at the time. Obviously there were questions of legality, if it was legal, why engage a bunch of lawyers to justify it? Why would we be having a debate over prosecution?

This is not about sympathy, it's about ethics and consequences, you can justify anything at all by saying ends justify the means.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes, of course, your one of those who would extend Constitutional rights to terrorists.

Lately it seems as though you're one of those who would classify anyone as a terrorist the government felt like labeling one, on so much as mere hearsay.

 

[jackoroe]

To bad the only person you seem to interested in listening to:



My Chance!! Golly gee!

Too bad the only person you seem to interested in talking to:



Is yourself.

I'll just have to pass on that, you seem to be doing fine all on your lonesome. Let me know what I decide will ya.

About what I expected. You can't answer a tough question like the one posed. Thanks for playing!

 

[jackoroe]

Lately it seems as though you're one of those who would classify anyone as a terrorist the government felt like labeling one, on so much as mere hearsay.

There is no dispute that KSM is a terrorist. He has freely admitted to being the mastermind behind 9-11. He has plead guilty to everything he was charged with down in Gitmo. He is a monster and murderer of epic proportions, by his own admission.

He is a member of a terrorist organization (not a disputed terrorist organization) that likes to blow up innocent people as they go about their daily lives. A group that relishes hacking off the heads of people, like Daniel Pearl, with rusty steak knives and televising it.

These people have forfeited their very humanity by these actions. We can legitimately debate snatching people from outside of US territories as a matter of policy, to be sure. But once somebody like KSM is in our custody, I'm not going to get terribly upset by whatever is done to him. Particularly when we are seeing proof that others may have been saved.

Obama has had his chance to close Gitmo and let everybody go. But that was simply a political promise. The reality, is that he's now aware, that there are terrorists at Gitmo. In fact the worst of the worst. Now, he doesn't quite know what to do.

Sometimes it's tough to get off our moral high horses and see reality for what it is. KSM has been treated with far more compassion than he deserves. More humanely than he has most likely ever treated another human being in his whole miserable existence. Now that he has given all he has to give, he is of no use. He needs to be killed, humanely of course, and his rotting corpse tossed over the fence into Cuba.

 

[naked gent]

A simple question, then. Would you rather moisten poor Mohammed or see scores of people killed? Because that's what it came down to, in this instance. It's one or the other.

Call it!

I'll answer jack given a sufficient threat its quite possible that I would consider torture but this threat does not rise to that level IMO.......not even close as a matter of fact.

There are other ways to elicit information after all and they all should be tried before you make the leap to torture.

This is not about sympathy, it's about ethics and consequences, you can justify anything at all by saying ends justify the means.

Exactly right by jack's reasoning nothing would be beyond the pale if 'lives were saved'. For all I know he'd torture a 10 yr old if he thought 'lives will be saved'

But if some particular action is beyond the pale for you jack I'd like to know why it would be?

About what I expected. You can't answer a tough question like the one posed. Thanks for playing!

Now your turn to answer a tough question jack. I think we can all agree that the israelis have had more dealings with terrorists then we have yet the Israeli Supreme Court began its decision banning torture with a single word: Never

That being the case I'm asking you do you think thats because the israelis are morally superior to we americans or because they don't value innocent jewish lives as much as we value innocent american lives?

Or is there some other reason. I know its a tough question but try not to duck it.

These people have forfeited their very humanity by these actions.

It was never about their humanity jack its about ours.

 

[bike10]

When do they get to waterboard Cheney and Bush?