Ways to prevent Ali from leaving JustUsBoys

[Peloso]

If there is something larger to observe from that insult, it is that the culture wars extend well beyond race, religion, taxation, health care, women's empowerment, prison reform, and criminal justice.

Animal rights has long been a flash point, not just around animal testing or husbandry and slaughterhouses. Pets have become a virtue signaling subject for some, and the animal rescue organization have promoted the term "forever home" and pushed that as a social value, leaving people just like yourself, shamed by those who are ready to tell you what you should be doing with a pet, and for how long.

In most of the U.S., pets are property, despite the uber-sentimentalized language referring to them as members of the family. In most of the world, pets have less rights than they do in America and less elevated status.

I love dogs. I loved my dogs, and treated them very well, but when they died, they died, and their good lives had run their courses. And when I had to move with my job and could not take my last two dogs because I didn't have housing that would allow them, I found them homes through a shelter and paid their fees so their new owners would have greater ease adopting them.

The dogs loved people, as have all my pets, so they didn't grieve my "passing." We were never married.

So, understand that Alistair's attack and insult was just part of a larger cultural movement and he was just doing what many have been inculcated to think as far as advocating forever homes, as if animals are not adaptive and flexible (on average.)

You sound like a billionaire explaining empathy.

It's not a cultural thing. I was never conditioned to love animals, I don't even think that's even possible since an affection for animals is something that comes from the heart. It's that simple.

People who defend animals not trying to do the right thing or "belong". It comes from an innate desire that can't be swayed by any kind of thinking, be it cultural or political

Perhaps you're thinking of rescue groups, who, to the outsider, might seem draconian in their efforts, but this is due mostly to limited budgets, a lack of resources, and a never ending flow of animals in need. These are people who have turned their love of animals into a purpose and because of this, as well as the overwhelming nature of their work and the uphill battle they face, they can get rigidly militant in their efforts, which in turn creates a climate that could be perceived as cultural. So in that sense, you're right. But we're not talking about faberge eggs here, we're talking about living creatures. If you had a kid, would you entrust it for a night to a babysitter you've never met and with no instructions for feeding, rules, bedtimes, etc.? These people are just trying to avoid leaving their adoptees in the hands of people with mindsets such as yours.

You probably broke your dog's hearts when you gave them away. Assuming their new owners were suitable, I'm sure they've gotten over it. When you moved for your job, was your new housing assigned? Or did you simply prioritize your wants and comforts over their trust in you?

But lastly and most importantly, all animals are not adaptive and flexible. You're thinking of wild animals. Domestic animals, broken in spirit and stripped of many of their natural instincts and defenses rely on humans to finish the job they've begun: to simply care for them and see to it that they arrive at their ultimate destiny (be it a tiny urn or a styrofoam take out container) through a course of proper care.

It's shortsighted to believe that an abandoned cat or dog can fend for itself in the natural world, because we're not abandoning them to the natural world: we're abandoning them to a world of trucks and cars and poisoned lawns and an endless list of hidden and unimagined dangers.

In domesticating cats and dogs, humanity has made an unspoken deal with them. Criticizing someone for reneging on that deal is not a form of virtue signaling.

 

[Peloso]

I think spaying without ever having a litter causes some girl cats to go nutty.

You've obviously never spent much time alone in a room with a cat in heat.

No, spaying without ever having a litter causes six week old kittens to not bleed out in the gutter on a cold day or die face down in an inch deep puddle because panleukopenia has made them too weak to simply turn over.

 

[peeonme]

He questioned my character without knowing the situation. I didnt feel connected to the cat but I kept her for three years. Only after three years, did I decide it was better for the cat to find her another home. How am I a horrible person for keeping the cat for three years?

You are not. The self righteous indignation some display for such a horrid act as re- homing an animal is just another way to deride the common man as most people of this ilk see man kind (especially white males) as an invasive species that is guilty of all kinds of wrong doing. In times past this may well have been true. Women were chattel, people of color were bought and sold. Some had more regard for live stock and pets then for people.

Those who express contempt for those who see a pet as a possession and not an equal may well be sincere, however what they don't realize is that they are nothing more than a pawn in the true war against any type of personal freedom. Marxism sees man as just another cog in the machine, he has no more value than the family pet. The same crowd that cringes at the idea of abandoning a dog (even to a good home) doesn't flinch at the thought of killing an unborn child... hell, it's just a clump of flesh... get over it.

Some are trying to work off their guilt, but make no mistake... the end result is to divide and conquer.

 

[Peloso]

You are not. The self righteous indignation some display for such a horrid act as re- homing an animal is just another way to deride the common man as most people of this ilk see man kind (especially white males) as an invasive species that is guilty of all kinds of wrong doing. In times past this may well have been true. Women were chattel, people of color were bought and sold. Some had more regard for live stock and pets then for people.

Those who express contempt for those who see a pet as a possession and not an equal may well be sincere, however what they don't realize is that they are nothing more than a pawn in the true war against any type of personal freedom. Marxism sees man as just another cog in the machine, he has no more value than the family pet. The same crowd that cringes at the idea of abandoning a dog (even to a good home) doesn't flinch at the thought of killing an unborn child... hell, it's just a clump of flesh... get over it.

Some are trying to work off their guilt, but make no mistake... the end result is to divide and conquer.

A right wing-nut defending personal freedom: nothing surprises me anymore. Except comparing pet ownership to Marxism.

 

[Vannie]

I see this is going well.

 

[Charon]

Is this forum really so dead that threads have to be made about members leaving/disappearing? Lol.

In other forums, it's shrugged off.

 

[Peloso]

Is this forum really so dead that threads have to be made about members leaving/disappearing? Lol.

In other forums, it's shrugged off.

That's why other forums are so sucky.

I see this is going well.

Just trying to stir up some much needed drama. Now if you'll excuse me I still have 900 anti-cabbage leaflets to hand out.

 

[mikemizanin729]

I think spaying without ever having a litter causes some girl cats to go nutty.

Mine escaped the window last month and when I took her to the vet for a routine checkup last week they found out she's expecting. I've already brought all the stuff for when the time cones including a small pen lol

 

[peeonme]

I see this is going well.

It's a gas!

 

[PipRosi]

You sound like a billionaire explaining empathy.

Yes. Empathy is actually a scam that some icky poor people and hippies invented to prevent us chosen ones from hoarding all the resources and destroying the planet. Nice try, losers!

It's not a cultural thing. I was never conditioned to love animals, I don't even think that's even possible since an affection for animals is something that comes from the heart. It's that simple.

They know. They're compartmentalizing. Like they do with the ~first world consumer / third world slave~ dynamic and the rest of the convenient hierarchies of exploitation. But they know. Even hunting cultures build a spiritual bargaining framework to deal with their guilt over taking life. At this point we should have evolved a foundation of respect for life and Earth systems that support life.

You've obviously never spent much time alone in a room with a cat in heat.

No, spaying without ever having a litter causes six week old kittens to not bleed out in the gutter on a cold day or die face down in an inch deep puddle because panleukopenia has made them too weak to simply turn over.

Cat overpopulation is only due to humans' diabolically shortsighted disruption of every ecosystem's balance of species. So dogs and cats don't get to live their natural reproductive lives. It clearly causes neuroses in females, I know in rats there's higher incidence of cancer. Forced sterilization is sad. Just let it be sad. Egads, cows have it worse! Shot up with weird antibiotics, perpetually raped and knocked up, babies taken, chained up to machines that plunder their babies' milk, (along with some blood and pus), then sent to choke in the gas chamber to feed some greasy fatass at Denny's.

 

[PipRosi]

A right wing-nut defending personal freedom: nothing surprises me anymore. Except comparing pet ownership to Marxism.

They never read their John Stuart Mill et. al. on how personal liberty stops at the point of harming others etc.

I see this is going well.

Is this the roughage you were looking for? You must be proud as prunes.

 

[PipRosi]

Cat overpopulation is only due to humans' diabolically shortsighted disruption of every ecosystem's balance of species.

Oh! I didn't even mention all the cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, ducks, bisons, salmons etc. killed to feed this massive overpopulation of dogs and cats.

 

[Vannie]

Now if you'll excuse me I still have 900 anti-cabbage leaflets to hand out.

 

[rareboy]

I see this is going well.

Can I just chime in with

"Oh for Fuck's Sakes"

 

[rareboy]

Mine escaped the window last month and when I took her to the vet for a routine checkup last week they found out she's expecting. I've already brought all the stuff for when the time cones including a small pen lol

Mikey!!!

Come back to us.

Hope you are doing well.

And apparently 'Call the Midwife'

 

[peeonme]

A right wing-nut defending personal freedom: nothing surprises me anymore. Except comparing pet ownership to Marxism.

Typical, call 'em a name and misquote them.

Read this carefully: The point behind most issues is not the issue it's self. Rather it is used as way to keep people angry. Everything from road rage to mass shootings has a common denominator: keep people pissed off. Keep people thinking that life sucks, life is unfair, life has left them behind. Even if their own life hasn't been that bad they must then take up a cause to be angry about. A person must virtue signal as to what their cause is... then they are making up for being an evil human that is killing the planet, they are paying the price for their existence.

Most pet people don't think that they own their pet, hell, it's far more important than that... it's a family member. If that is how you see it then that's your call. But to shame a person that re-homes an animal is motivated by a need to work off guilt and control the minds and behaviors of others. Behind it all is an agenda to divide and conquer, to bring folks to a boiling point and end this country as we know it.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

End this country as we know it

 

[m1thousand]

Ive changed my mind. I dont want him to leave. Its ok if we disagree

(fyi: Im not looking for comments about my change in attitude)

The message board, like many things, can be addictive and its hard to stop participating when you were participating. I have never seen, here or at another forum, someone announce they are leaving and they stay away. They always come back

 

[Peloso]

Read this carefully:

OK

The point behind most issues is not the issue it's self. Rather it is used as way to keep people angry. Everything from road rage to mass shootings has a common denominator: keep people pissed off. Keep people thinking that life sucks, life is unfair, life has left them behind. Even if their own life hasn't been that bad they must then take up a cause to be angry about. A person must virtue signal as to what their cause is... then they are making up for being an evil human that is killing the planet, they are paying the price for their existence.

Most pet people don't think that they own their pet, hell, it's far more important than that... it's a family member. If that is how you see it then that's your call. But to shame a person that re-homes an animal is motivated by a need to work off guilt and control the minds and behaviors of others. Behind it all is an agenda to divide and conquer, to bring folks to a boiling point and end this country as we know it.

You are correct. But who's behind it?

Most pet people don't think that they own their pet, hell, it's far more important than that... it's a family member. If that is how you see it then that's your call. But to shame a person that re-homes an animal is motivated by a need to work off guilt and control the minds and behaviors of others.

Just for the record, I shamed nobody. I offered a solution, which worked out quite well.

Behind it all is an agenda to divide and conquer, to bring folks to a boiling point and end this country as we know it.

Yes but WHO'S BEHIND IT???? I'm sure you and I would have very different answers.

 

[NotHardUp1]

You sound like a billionaire explaining empathy.

No, I sound like a rationalist rebutting the hypersentimentalized personification of pets. There's just no limit to it.

And your imputation of misery of very happy animals is an example of how hypotheticals are used as weapons to make straw man events. It's not enough to argue reality, but like all good internet warriors, you create houses of cards of "logic" for how the world must be. It. Is. Not.

You go further to not only demonize how another might care for his animals and exaggerate it to mischaracterize rational caring for animals as uncaring. You allege animals are abandoned because they have changed owners, yet that assumes or presumes animals are somehow emotionally dependent upon only one owner, which is rarely true, even less so when owners raise them to not be codependent.

Just today there was an insipid NPR story about jumping spiders and how they have been observed to do something that may resemble REM sleep in humans. Of course, the idea that invertebrates can dream at all is less than anything more than romantic conjecture, and surely not science.

Your allegations and imputations are classic constructs of minds that can only see pets as one thing, near-humans with all the emotions and psychoses humans possess. You're just as benighted as Al was in attacking m1thousand when it was neither his place to decide another's pet care adequacy or condemn it.

This thread wouldn't have gone to hell so quick had the mod not shut down the first one in a vain attempt to stop the discussion that Al started. It's a valid discussion and censoring the range of views is against Hot Topics' purpose. Since Day One on this forum, people have stormed out, or bowed out, and every single time there were people sad and glad of it. It's the due recompense for announcing a walkout rather than just PMing folks. If you make it a public statement, then members are within their rights to comment as divergently as they feel, within CofC, which doesn't require hallowing the departed, be they real or puppets.