Ways to prevent Ali from leaving JustUsBoys

[PipRosi]

Separating out our species and placing it above all others because we're impressed by our own brains is just one decision that men made. It's not unquestionable fact. It's not even biologically defensible. Humans are demonstrably disastrous to the Earth community. No other fact about us is as relevant.

 

[ChristianGianni]

Maybe send him pictures of our penises.

Force you know who to leave instead.

Threaten him with stuffed cabbages.

Offer free Taco Bell for life.

What else?

... so long Country Bumpkin

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^I coined the term country bumpkin. Mister Wilson will be hearing from my legal team very soon. Believe dat.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I still say Alistair eloped with Cormac, and they are on their honeymoon together.

 

[peeonme]

Separating out our species and placing it above all others because we're impressed by our own brains is just one decision that men made. It's not unquestionable fact. It's not even biologically defensible. Humans are demonstrably disastrous to the Earth community. No other fact about us is as relevant.

You are a good example of "human guilt" that is being pounded into the minds of people. Humans are different than animals with regard to how they survive, we adapt the environment to our needs. We need to stay warm so we burn wood and make clothing. We need cooked food so again be it wood, gas or what ever means necessary again a "carbon footprint" is left behind.

Animals adapt to their surroundings. Using holes, caves, trees or what ever works to survive. Carnivores, omnivores and herbivores eat their food as the either find it, pick it or stalk it. Nature indeed has a balance, even bacteria have a part that is important.

Now as for the dreaded human brain, there is some theories as to how we got this way. Some say by design (of course they are laughed out of the room). Some think that upon the discovery of fire and cooking meat that protein that at one time was used just to keep the body alive (because eating raw meat required far more energy and protein be used just to digest raw meats) was now used to "grow" the brain in early types of man. So somewhere along the line man no longer acted upon instinct... he used reason and was gradually separated from the rest of the animals.

Now comes the question: Is man greater than nature? Are we so smug as to believe that nature can not control us? We most certainly have a duty to not use the earth as a garbage dump. To find better ways to conserve energy and not be wasteful. However, self loathing is not productive and is pitiful.

 

[Peloso]

No, I sound like a rationalist rebutting the hypersentimentalized personification of pets. There's just no limit to it.

And your imputation of misery of very happy animals is an example of how hypotheticals are used as weapons to make straw man events. It's not enough to argue reality, but like all good internet warriors, you create houses of cards of "logic" for how the world must be. It. Is. Not.

You go further to not only demonize how another might care for his animals and exaggerate it to mischaracterize rational caring for animals as uncaring. You allege animals are abandoned because they have changed owners, yet that assumes or presumes animals are somehow emotionally dependent upon only one owner, which is rarely true, even less so when owners raise them to not be codependent.

Just today there was an insipid NPR story about jumping spiders and how they have been observed to do something that may resemble REM sleep in humans. Of course, the idea that invertebrates can dream at all is less than anything more than romantic conjecture, and surely not science.

Your allegations and imputations are classic constructs of minds that can only see pets as one thing, near-humans with all the emotions and psychoses humans possess. You're just as benighted as Al was in attacking m1thousand when it was neither his place to decide another's pet care adequacy or condemn it.

This thread wouldn't have gone to hell so quick had the mod not shut down the first one in a vain attempt to stop the discussion that Al started. It's a valid discussion and censoring the range of views is against Hot Topics' purpose. Since Day One on this forum, people have stormed out, or bowed out, and every single time there were people sad and glad of it. It's the due recompense for announcing a walkout rather than just PMing folks. If you make it a public statement, then members are within their rights to comment as divergently as they feel, within CofC, which doesn't require hallowing the departed, be they real or puppets.

I see nothing here I can argue with.

If my views on this matter are distorted, it's a relatively small price to pay for the peace of mind, acute sense of joy and connection to the natural world that my pets provide.

I apologize to (almost) everyone for derailing this thread.

 

[PipRosi]

was now used to "grow" the brain in early types of man.

However, self loathing is not productive and is pitiful.

Here I was just reading a Psychology Today article about how much plant food we need to be eating to clean the toxins from our overworked brains. Plant-based is the future!.

Nobody is "loathing". Not all truths are tasty but no positive direction toward healing can be discerned without honest reflection. What's "pounded into the minds of people" is to ignore the big questions and focus on buying things.

Aaaaand the song of the moment to express my feeling about Al leaving.

 

[PipRosi]

^I coined the term country bumpkin. Mister Wilson will be hearing from my legal team very soon. Believe dat.

I dunno Fab, it sounds a little before your time.... like medieval? Sir Bumpkin of Frottingham, you have besmirched my reputation for the last time!

Yep, old english/germanic word to make fun of the funny Dutch:

A 'bumpkin' was originally the name that the English had for the Dutch, whom they portrayed as small, comic and tubby. The word is derived from either the Dutch 'boomken', meaning 'little tree' or 'bommekijn', meaning 'little barrel'. The word came into English in the 16th century.

 

[PipRosi]

"small, comic and tubby"

the Dutch had the last laugh on that one with all their tall stringbeans^_^

 

[belamyi]

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I dunno Fab, it sounds a little before your time.... like medieval? Sir Bumpkin of Frottingham, you have besmirched my reputation for the last time!

Yep, old english/germanic word to make fun of the funny Dutch:

A 'bumpkin' was originally the name that the English had for the Dutch, whom they portrayed as small, comic and tubby. The word is derived from either the Dutch 'boomken', meaning 'little tree' or 'bommekijn', meaning 'little barrel'. The word came into English in the 16th century.

Did you say frot? #engarde

 

[belamyi]

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^Tell me about it. I see why so many people are leaving.

 

[belamyi]