We can quote the Bible too

[Spiff]

Fair is fair. It's time to nullify the majority of straight marriages. Let's get executing.

 

[MystikWizard]

I think that's hysterical. I am going to use that from now on in arguments against Anti-Gay people.

Apparently, the man has to make the accusations first, though. If the man makes the accusations, then the parents of the woman have to somehow produce proof that their daughter is indeed a virgin. If they can not and the man's accusation is true, then the woman is to be stoned to death.

Here are the passages the man is citing in the sign:

22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;

22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

 

[Kulindahr]

There's like a dozen and a half things in the Old Testament that a person can be put to death for. To be thorough, they should have signs for all of them.

 

[Kulindahr]

That's an understatement of the year. The Old Testament really has only 18 reasons to put someone to death? Maybe like one chapter of Deuteronomy.

Maybe I'm too much of a tree-hugging, limp-wristed hippie commie, but I don't really want so much deforestation to cover all those signs.

Yeah, yeah I mocked your understatement only to follow it up with an exaggeration.

Seriously, there really aren't that many, and sexual crimes make up nearly half -- rape, adultery, bestiality, homosexual acts, the victim of rape if she doesn't holler for help (They didn't have duct tape back then), bestiality; those are what come to mind. Of course murder is one, and arguing with your parents, witchcraft, kidnapping, perjury, some instances of property crimes, faulty construction which led to the collapse of a building killing the owner....

Yeah, there's more than a dozen and a half, but it's less than three dozen, and a number of them, such as the property crimes, have limiting circumstances.

My favorite is brawling in a wine shop -- never could figure that out....

 

[andysayshi]

I never get tired of this old West Wing scene:

 

[ComNavFdgPk]

I remember when my "boyfriend" (or whatever word is proper today) and I saw that episode during the first season. He let out a whoop you could here halfway across town. I'm with andysayshi; that is one of my favorite stomp downs of all time!

 

[Kulindahr]

I never get tired of this old West Wing scene:

As a Christian --

I LOVE THAT!


It would be so nice to see someone do that to one of the big-name 'evangelical' preachers, live, on national TV. It gets tiresome listening to preachers from Mt. Sinai pasting the name of Jesus on themselves and prancing around. "Wolves in sheep's clothing" doesn't do them justice -- I'd go with something like "sewage in silk bags", or "ebola in vitamin boxes".

As the words from Godspell put it:

"Hypocrites that you be
Searching for souls and fools to forsake them
You travel the land you scour the sea
After you've got your converts you make them
Twice as fit for hell!
As you are yourselves!....

Blind guides!
Blind fools!"

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Here's some other interesting quotes, on a site with great anti-religious posters and banners:

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

 

[TickTockMan]

If you like the picture in the OP check out the links below. The first link talks about Deuteronomy 22:13 and the second one takes you to the home page of the site.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/proof_of_virginity/dt22_13.html


http://www.thebricktestament.com/



I hope you enjoy!

 

[White Eagle]

Great thread, thanks.

 

[Kulindahr]

The Bible can be used to legitimize any statement, idea, prejudice, thought you have. It's been quoted to justify murder, oppression of women, slavery, hatred of homosexuals, hatred of minorities, other religions, war..... you name it. It's so vaguely written that this is possible.

The King James version that is currently used today was written in 1604-1611, and loosely translated from Greek by a committee of men living in a patriarchal society. It was originally written as a book of morality plays and it was never meant to be nothing more than a book of morality plays. It's when it's taken literally the problems start.

An entire group of people are be treated like second class citizens because of a couple of sentences in a medieval book translation of an ancient religion. Unbelievable!

I like that sign!

It's not that vaguely written, it's just that there's so much there that people can clip things out of context and spin them almost any way they want, especially when they read it as a laundry list or instruction manual (I loved trashing that notion when I hung out with Campus Crusade for Christ people in college).

The KJV wasn't "loosely translated"; given the manuscripts they had to work with, they did a pretty darned good job. Part of their problem was that they had virtually no other Koine Greek to work with for comparison; along with that were things like having to work with copies that had commentary written in like it was text.

"Morality plays"? Where'd you get that bizarre concept? Offhand, I can't think of anything in there except Job that would remotely qualify! OTOH, you're right about the literal business: the whole Creation controversy arises from the fact that neither of the two accounts in Genesis is meant to be taken literally; both are in literary forms that don't have literalism as a part of their make-up. While certain truths related by the royal chronicle in the first account can be sustained if it is taken literally, quite a load of utter nonsense trots in the door if the whole thing is made literal.

As for second class citizens: Christians started realizing as early as the fourth century that slavery was incompatible with the Bible's message as a whole -- starting, ironically enough, with the much-abused Genesis. But it took many more centuries before that finally pounded through men's prejudices sufficiently for them to stop quoting the Bible to "support" that evil institution. Treating gays as second-class citizens is equally incompatible, and I expect it to be many centuries more before that gets through the thick heads of those who -- to steal a theme from the Bible -- read, but cannot read.