Well Aren't They Shithole Countries ?

[belamyi]

Seems as though hope and being positive push your buttons some. I for one, do not seek an 'ideal' state. I am an incrementalist that believes in making things better, not perfect. So, if my posts annoy you then I am on the right path.

No: having no hope and no positiveness would put an end to one's life... what gets on my nerves is delusion and cluelessness being made pass for "hope and positiveness", because it's precisely that confusion what maintains all the wrongs in the world. You are the sort of people who are as bad as the rotten bad, with your good-for-nothing goodie-two-shoes attitude that gets in the way of REALLY doing things to change things. You are the sort of people used by the cynical, the leaders, to maintain things as they are, by offering an Ersatz of righteousness and good.

So even if my reality check annoys you, it is very much to be doubted that I am on the right path: delusion can only be awoken to despair: because most people, like you, are unable to change anything so that, instead of falling into despair, they keep maintaining their false world of hopes and "right paths"

 

[Latimer]

Unless you are a small enough community, your great country will always be led by the Harry Limes, who will be preaching you about how right they are in their decisions...

I had thought that Graham Greene wrote the famous, oft-quoted, and factually inaccurate final lines spoken by Limes in this clip. Greene, however, has stated that they were improvised by Welles:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19202527

 

[belamyi]

I had thought that Graham Greene wrote the famous, oft-quoted, and factually inaccurate final lines spoken by Limes in this clip. Greene, however, has stated that they were improvised by Welles:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19202527

A la cama no te irás, sin saber una cosa más. I thought the whole speech was Made by Welles.

The point of Lime was that things MUST be so; my point is that things ARE so, and WILL remain so, UNLESS you accept, first, that they are so and, second, that the attitudes and actions usually thought of as "remedies" against that reality do not in fact change anything but, rather, perpetuate it under moral self-satisfaction.

 

[peeonme]

No: having no hope and no positiveness would put an end to one's life... what gets on my nerves is delusion and cluelessness being made pass for "hope and positiveness", because it's precisely that confusion what maintains all the wrongs in the world. You are the sort of people who are as bad as the rotten bad, with your good-for-nothing goodie-two-shoes attitude that gets in the way of REALLY doing things to change things. You are the sort of people used by the cynical, the leaders, to maintain things as they are, by offering an Ersatz of righteousness and good.

So even if my reality check annoys you, it is very much to be doubted that I am on the right path: delusion can only be awoken to despair: because most people, like you, are unable to change anything so that, instead of falling into despair, they keep maintaining their false world of hopes and "right paths"

First, you don't know me, so don't put me in a category with 'most people like me', that's just asinine.
Second, I have changed things. In my life and in the life of others. My philosophy is to leave things better than I found them, to make an improvement.

This does not mean 'hand outs', it does mean opportunity. I believe that any normal person will want to advance their position in life if they truly believe that working toward that goal is not futile.

 

[belamyi]

First, you don't know me, so don't put me in a category with 'most people like me', that's just asinine.
Second, I have changed things. In my life and in the life of others. My philosophy is to leave things better than I found them, to make an improvement.

This does not mean 'hand outs', it does mean opportunity. I believe that any normal person will want to advance their position in life if they truly believe that working toward that goal is not futile.

First, I know what you say, because I can read other people's good English, so I am judging you by what you say: it's juvenile and asinine to retort the "you don't know me" when discussing very particular opinions about very definite subjects, as if it mattered whether I know how you like your food, or what a nice and clever person you are in general.

Second, changing things is "changing things", not changing a couple of things: we all change things, we all "move" things, we all soothe situations, or make them worse... all that is changing things. So let's be less vague, and say you can not divert a certain course, you cannot change for other thousands or million people what you changed for one or a few persons. "Changing things" is changing their fundamental dynamic, not jusr applying band aids. "Philosophies" aside, and subjective estimations about what is an "improvement".

The difference between people like you, as you describe yourself in your last line, and people like me, is that you may work a lot "toward a goal", content with the working for it, while I consider rather futile working "toward a goal" with no accurate estimation of what the outcome may be: something that not "any normal" person will want to consider.

 

[peeonme]

First, I know what you say, because I can read other people's good English, so I am judging you by what you say: it's juvenile and asinine to retort the "you don't know me" when discussing very particular opinions about very definite subjects, as if it mattered whether I know how you like your food, or what a nice and clever person you are in general.

Second, changing things is "changing things", not changing a couple of things: we all change things, we all "move" things, we all soothe situations, or make them worse... all that is changing things. So let's be less vague, and say you can not divert a certain course, you cannot change for other thousands or million people what you changed for one or a few persons. "Changing things" is changing their fundamental dynamic, not jusr applying band aids. "Philosophies" aside, and subjective estimations about what is an "improvement".

The difference between people like you, as you describe yourself in your last line, and people like me, is that you may work a lot "toward a goal", content with the working for it, while I consider rather futile working "toward a goal" with no accurate estimation of what the outcome may be: something that not "any normal" person will want to consider.

The goal is improvement, now, I realize that is a threat to you. What if we eliminate blight? Whatever would you do? Horror of horrors!
Where would you get your pictures from that you gloat over in pride?
Things have improved and will continue to improve, it's getting better all of the time. Sorry if that ruins your day.

 

[KaraBulut]

 

[NotHardUp1]

There are black mayors in cities both with and without black majorities, going back 40 years:

http://blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics/black-mayors/

Wow. A complete dearth in the Northwest, the Upper Midwest (aside from Michigan), and the far Northeast. California isn't as represented as one would expect from the image portrayed over time. Of course, it's just mayor, and not catching legislators, judges, and others.

How does that compare with southern France or other areas where African migrants have moved in? Have those nations seen a shift in sharing power with their new citizens?

 

[Telstra]

I would add Venice is a shit hole city ...

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/467786-Why-do-anyone-want-to-live-in-this-dump

 

[KaraBulut]

...How does that compare with southern France or other areas where African migrants have moved in? Have those nations seen a shift in sharing power with their new citizens?

It's not a comparison of analogous things. Most Blacks in the US weren't immigrants... at least not voluntary immigrants.

Detroit's mid 20th century decline is an example of what happens when there's a sudden change in a society and there's not a new group who are ready to take the reins. It's also an example of Machiavelli's statement about change and how the old regime seldom goes out of its way to support the new regime:

And let it be noted that there is no more delicate matter to take in hand, nor more dangerous to conduct, nor more doubtful in its success, than to set up as a leader in the introduction of changes. For he who innovates will have for his enemies all those who are well off under the existing order of things, and only the lukewarm supporters in those who might be better off under the new. This lukewarm temper arises partly from the fear of adversaries who have the laws on their side and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who will never admit the merit of anything new, until they have seen it proved by the event.

 

[belamyi]

Most livable shitty in the world

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/melbourne-poo-beaches?utm_term=.wiZ2LKBzz5#.olgxYNRDDr

 

[Telstra]

Most livable shitty in the world

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/melbourne-poo-beaches?utm_term=.wiZ2LKBzz5#.olgxYNRDDr

oh on the topic of poo,
where are the poo go in each city like New york or Venice or Mecca, or what ever ?

 

[KaraBulut]

oh on the topic of poo,
where are the poo go in each city like New york or Venice or Mecca, or what ever ?

The poo?

 

[belamyi]

And the weenie

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Whether they are or not it's irrelevant, there are honest and dishonest people everywhere. So called shithole countries get "tourists" from countries like Norway that happen to be child rapists and drug smugglers. Plus, colonialism is very much alive, plenty of countries are shitholes because developed nations steal their natural resources leaving pollution and no clean water.

/endthread

 

[Alistair]

oh on the topic of poo,
where are the poo go in each city like New york or Venice or Mecca, or what ever ?

You being the "King of YouTube" should easily find an answer there. Please enlighten us when you do.

 

[peeonme]

It's not a comparison of analogous things. Most Blacks in the US weren't immigrants... at least not voluntary immigrants.

Detroit's mid 20th century decline is an example of what happens when there's a sudden change in a society and there's not a new group who are ready to take the reins. It's also an example of Machiavelli's statement about change and how the old regime seldom goes out of its way to support the new regime:

Also, it needs to be said that the reins were no longer connected to anything, there has to be an engine to drive the economy, not only did the whites move out, they took the economy to the suburbs.

 

[nyctopgam]

There are some very shithole countries in the world, why don't we just admit it.

I'm not saying the people are bad apart of course from some of the rulers.

Can you name any shithole countries ?

I'll pick Pakistan.

USA. Fast becoming the biggest hole of them shitholes. Because it has the resources to prevent the gross violations of decency.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

USA. Fast becoming the biggest hole of them shitholes. Because it has the resources to prevent the gross violations of decency.

Fast becoming? It wasn't a shithole country when it denigrated an entire race for several centuries? Well fucking Christ what do you have to do to be designated a shithole? At some point Americans need to recognize that slavery wasn't some alternate universe, it was this same "Everybody's equal, we're all colorblind, American dream, patriorism blah blah blah" country.

 

[Telstra]

Korea is a shit hole country according to this guy