What do you all think about fox hunting...???

[otters]

All those shocked at the grotesque barbarity of fox hunting must be more shocked than more than 600 starving koalas were killed in secret culls in the Cape Otway area of western Victoria.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/h...s-killed-in-secret-culls-20150304-13un49.html

Oh no, Pat.

There's a huge difference.

My most simple explanation should be comprehensible:

Koalas are herbivores.
An overpopulation of herbivores are a threat for agriculture, forestry, viticulture.

Foxes aren't herbivores, they're predators.
In fact, predators help a lot to reduce noxious herbivores.

People who actually own agriculture, forestry, viticulture usually are glad when they have healthy predators on their lands.

 

[kallipolis]

All those shocked at the grotesque barbarity of fox hunting must be more shocked than more than 600 starving koalas were killed in secret culls in the Cape Otway area of western Victoria.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/h...s-killed-in-secret-culls-20150304-13un49.html

A totally different scenario seperates the koala cull in Victoria, and fox hunting in the UK using dogs.

The starving koalas were put down humanely. Living foxes are ripped to pieces by the fox hounds pursuing them.

I quote from your captioned article:

The koalas were captured and sedated before being put down.

 

[kallipolis]

In Greece wolves, and foxes are killed by farmers using shotguns. It is quick, and humane. The animal does not suffer.

 

[otters]

In Greece wolves, and foxes are killed by farmers using shotguns. It is quick, and humane. The animal does not suffer.

Animal farmers, not agriculture, forestry, viticulture. They're a different breed one could say of course

 

[kallipolis]

Animal farmers, not agriculture, forestry, viticulture. They're a different breed one could say of course

If one belabours a point it could be said that farmers here in Greece are as likely to herd sheep, as they are to grow apples, and oranges even, grapes for ones farm land delivers the fruits of ones labours...

 

[Kahaih]

In Greece wolves, and foxes are killed by farmers using shotguns. It is quick, and humane. The animal does not suffer.

Hold on.

There is no guaranteeing that.

Farmers rarely shoot such predators up close/'execution style' with a single bullet/shot. They use a cartridge with small pellets that can do a lot of damage but are rarely lethal at much distance. They shoot at predators that are usually far off and on the run, or ducking for cover the same as people do in a war zone. Some are killed outright, but many are not.

The only difference between wild animals and humans, when it comes to gunshot wounds, is that animals don't run to, or get carried off to hospitals/doctors. Wounded animals that 'survive' the encounter run off to hide out somewhere, sometimes suffering for days, weeks, and even months before they die.

 

[kallipolis]

Farmers rarely shoot such predators up close/'execution style' with a single bullet/shot.

Here in Greece farmers shoot wolves, and foxes with a single shot...I can't speak for the rest of the world...

 

[Kahaih]

The koalas were captured and sedated before being put down.

Does anyone really believe that a wild koala thinks/understands that it will be handled, confined, and killed 'humanely'?

No, I'm sure that the wild koalas that are being/were hunted and captured are/were just as terrified as the fox.

 

[otters]

Farmers rarely shoot such predators up close/'execution style' with a single bullet/shot. They use a cartridge with small pellets that can do a lot of damage but are rarely lethal at much distance.

You're right. I can't imagine that they would shoot a hare with bullets in Greece.

(OT: I'm not sure but I have the impression that double barreled guns having both forms of ammunition are less common in Greece?)

 

[kallipolis]

You're right. I can't imagine that they would shoot a hare with bullets in Greece.

(OT: I'm not sure but I have the impression that double barreled guns having both forms of ammunition are less common in Greece?)

Rifles are banned in Greece, whereas shotguns are permitted, under licence strictly supervised by the police.

Wolves, and foxes are baited (a tethered lamb, as an example) with the farmer/shepherd patiently waiting for the predator to appear.

Shotgun owners are also obliged to attend local gun club practice ranges to ensure their shooting skills are maintained, providing the police with evidence of club membership, and attendance records at the shooting range...the police will also visit the home of the shotgun owner to ensure that the shotguns are securely locked...my father owns three shotguns which he keeps in an armoured safe with combination lock....he is a weekend hunter....

 

[kallipolis]

Does anyone really believe that a wild koala thinks/understands that it will be handled, confined, and killed 'humanely'?

No, I'm sure that the wild koalas that are being/were hunted and captured are/were just as terrified as the fox.

There is an enormous difference between a fox hunt, with dogs chasing a fox..leading to the fox being torn to shreds while still alive, and professionals capturing koalas by using knock out darts...followed by an injection.....that kills the starving koala....

 

[Kahaih]

^The biggest difference being that the fox has a much better chance at getting away.

 

[kallipolis]

^The biggest difference being that the fox has a much better chance at getting away.

I am discussing my revulsion of fox hunting...I believe that predators can be humanely destroyed....and should be...

 

[rareboy]

I suspect that the fox hunt defenders also enjoy bear-baiting, cock fighting and dog fighting as well.

some people get a sexual thrill out of seeing animals tear one another apart goaded on by humans for their entertainment.....

some sort of atavistic sadism found in those with genetic or induced deficiencies in their cerebral cortex......

The inability to experience empathy or sympathy.....

 

[Kahaih]

I suspect that the fox hunt defenders also enjoy bear-baiting, cock fighting and dog fighting as well.

some people get a sexual thrill out of seeing animals tear one another apart goaded on by humans for their entertainment.....

some sort of atavistic sadism found in those with genetic or induced deficiencies in their cerebral cortex......

The inability to experience empathy or sympathy.....

Gosh, I don't believe any of that pertains to our unloadonme.

This really has brought out the bunny huggers.

Not so in my experience and, perhaps uniquely judging by as much of the foregoing as I can be bothered to read, I have actually been hunting. Most of the people taking part were farmers and ordinary country types. Great care was taken to hunt only where the landowners had consented and to make good any damage which was caused.

Hey, unloadonme, am I wrong? Are any of our rareboy's suspicions about you correct?

 

[gsdx]

Exit 'Fox hunt'.

Enter 'Baiting & Trolling'.

 

[Kahaih]

Exit 'Fox hunt'.

Enter 'Baiting & Trolling'.

That was already brought up at least once in post 110.

Rifles are banned in Greece, whereas shotguns are permitted, under licence strictly supervised by the police.

Wolves, and foxes are baited (a tethered lamb, as an example) with the farmer/shepherd patiently waiting for the predator to appear.

Shotgun owners are also obliged to attend local gun club practice ranges to ensure their shooting skills are maintained, providing the police with evidence of club membership, and attendance records at the shooting range...the police will also visit the home of the shotgun owner to ensure that the shotguns are securely locked...my father owns three shotguns which he keeps in an armoured safe with combination lock....he is a weekend hunter....

Seems a rather cruel thing to do to a little lamb.

 

[otters]

Hey, unloadonme, am I wrong? Are any of our rareboy's suspicions about you correct?

Since I guess that unload was talking about deer hunting I cannot see that there'd be a huge discrepancy.

 

[Kahaih]

Since I guess that unload was talking about deer hunting I cannot see that there'd be a huge discrepancy.

Well, he didn't say, specifically.

But since this thread is about fox hunting, I think it's safe to assume, especially since he didn't say otherwise, and people don't usually gather in large groups to hunt down a deer, that's what he was talking about – fox hunting.

We'll need his confirmation, I suppose.

 

[Kahaih]

Since I guess that unload was talking about deer hunting I cannot see that there'd be a huge discrepancy.

BTW, what 'discrepancy' are you talking about, here? Do you mean between fox hunting and deer hunting?