What do you all think about fox hunting...???

[otters]

and people don't usually gather in large groups to hunt down a deer

It depends; e.g. in the Alpine region where I live, "deer battues" are quite common. (Unfortunately, my dictionary isn't very precise regarding hunting terminology: I'm not sure whether "battue" is the exact equivalent.)

 

[otters]

BTW, what 'discrepancy' are you talking about, here? Do you mean between fox hunting and deer hunting?

no
—— one and the same person can be a deer hunter AND a strict opponent of that fox hunting in question, IMHO.

 

[Kahaih]

It depends; e.g. in the Alpine region where I live, "deer battues" are quite common. (Unfortunately, my dictionary isn't very precise regarding hunting terminology: I'm not sure whether "battue" is the exact equivalent.)

Yes, that's where a few, usually unarmed, people 'flush out' or 'drive' the prey (deer, pheasants, etc.) toward the armed stationary 'hunters'/shooters/killers.

I doubt that would work well with fox. They're quick and sly little bastards – elusive.

And I wouldn't think the two types of hunting compare much, either.

Do people seem to turn out in large numbers for these hunts where you live?

 

[Kahaih]

no
—— one and the same person can be a deer hunter AND a strict opponent of that fox hunting in question, IMHO.

Well, I definitely didn't see anything in our unloadonme's post indicating that he was an opponent of fox hunting, or any other type of hunting, for that matter.

 

[dpnice]

I suspect that the fox hunt defenders also enjoy bear-baiting, cock fighting and dog fighting as well.

some people get a sexual thrill out of seeing animals tear one another apart goaded on by humans for their entertainment.....

some sort of atavistic sadism found in those with genetic or induced deficiencies in their cerebral cortex......

The inability to experience empathy or sympathy.....

Goodness rareboy where did all that hatred suddenly spew from.

I am certain all hunters enjoy hunting but doubt it is for the twisted reasons you have invented there.

I always enjoyed seeing the hunt in my youth. It was a typical country tradition which delighted huntsmen and spectators. There seemed to be just as much enjoyment whether a fox was caught or not.

Unfortunately the tearing to pieces of a really quite beautiful wild animal is unacceptably cruel so I think the banning of them was all in all justified.

 

[kallipolis]

That was already brought up at least once in post 110.




Seems a rather cruel thing to do to a little lamb.

The lamb is nor harmed....why is it cruel, when the predator that could kill the lamb, is lured to its death ensuring the lamb can grow into an adult to produce milk, yogurt, cheese...

 

[rareboy]

Gosh, I don't believe any of that pertains to our unloadonme.





Hey, unloadonme, am I wrong? Are any of our rareboy's suspicions about you correct?

Obviously some people can't read.

I don't have an issue with hunting for food and deer hunters do this. I do have a huge problem if humans set out with a pack of dogs to hunt down and tear apart a deer just for the hell of it.

People who love to watch animals attack and rip apart another animal or who get a thrill out of torturing any animal as blood sport have a serious pathological issue that pretty much indicates a problem with brain neuro chemical function.

 

[rareboy]

Goodness rareboy where did all that hatred suddenly spew from.

I am certain all hunters enjoy hunting but doubt it is for the twisted reasons you have invented there.

I always enjoyed seeing the hunt in my youth. It was a typical country tradition which delighted huntsmen and spectators. There seemed to be just as much enjoyment whether a fox was caught or not.

Unfortunately the tearing to pieces of a really quite beautiful wild animal is unacceptably cruel so I think the banning of them was all in all justified.

See the post above. Huge difference between hunters hunting to eat and 'hunting' to see animals rip another animal apart.

I know both types. I eat arrow killed deer and elk. The hunters that I know who kill for food are humane and respectful.

My loathing arises from experience with those who are not.

 

[Kahaih]

The lamb is nor harmed....why is it cruel, when the predator that could kill the lamb, is lured to its death ensuring the lamb can grow into an adult to produce milk, yogurt, cheese...

Is all of this thoroughly explained to the little lamb?

Are you suggesting that the little lamb 'in on it'? What a sport, that little rascal.

 

[Kahaih]

Obviously some people can't read.

I don't have an issue with hunting for food and deer hunters do this. I do have a huge problem if humans set out with a pack of dogs to hunt down and tear apart a deer just for the hell of it.

People who love to watch animals attack and rip apart another animal or who get a thrill out of torturing any animal as blood sport have a serious pathological issue that pretty much indicates a problem with brain neuro chemical function.

Obviously, you're sidestepping.

You wrote:

I suspect that the fox hunt defenders also enjoy bear-baiting, cock fighting and dog fighting as well.

some people get a sexual thrill out of seeing animals tear one another apart goaded on by humans for their entertainment.....

some sort of atavistic sadism found in those with genetic or induced deficiencies in their cerebral cortex......

The inability to experience empathy or sympathy.....

If unloadonme's post wasn't 'defending fox hunting' then what do you think his post was about?

 

[dpnice]

............... Huge difference between hunters hunting to eat and 'hunting' to see animals rip another animal apart.

....................................

Obviously most of us would agree with that but you did rather associate those psychotic attitudes with those who support fox hunting.

I think we must accept that those who hunt for food are not the majority of hunters, certainly not here in France nor in England; it is the same with fishing. Okay the animals killed may well be eaten but the main points of hunting are the traditions involved, the fact of being out with a band of companions in the countryside, the exhilaration of tracking animals and finally the kill.

Let's not use the arguments of killing for food, reducing populations and removing menaces to justify hunting as none of them are really valid; there are other means.

So surely the only reason legally to ban hunting should be the degree of cruelty involved and I think it must be admitted that fox hunting was indeed a cruel form of hunting.

I personally cannot understand people who hunt to kill, but I don't object to eating beef so, as long as the aspect of cruel treatment is controlled do I have the right to insist on hunting being banned?

 

[unloadonme]

Gosh, I don't believe any of that pertains to our unloadonme.

Hey, unloadonme, am I wrong? Are any of our rareboy's suspicions about you correct?

Not at all. It looks like he was getting a little carried away!

Since I guess that unload was talking about deer hunting I cannot see that there'd be a huge discrepancy.

No, foxes.

Well, I definitely didn't see anything in our unloadonme's post indicating that he was an opponent of fox hunting, or any other type of hunting, for that matter.

I tried to limit myself to pointing out that hunting wasn't the exclusive preserve of the rich and that hunts were generally considerate of others. I kept away from the actual hunting side of things because I could see that some posters were getting very steamed up over it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I tried to limit myself to pointing out that hunting wasn't the exclusive preserve of the rich and that hunts were generally considerate of others. I kept away from the actual hunting side of things because I could see that some posters were getting very steamed up over it.

But didn't fail to leave a bit of a snide remark.

 

[gsdx]

That was already brought up at least once in post 110.

It deserves being brought up again. Both of them.

 

[The Fly]

I've been a hunter my whole life. I got my first rifle, a .22 Marlin, at 6 years old. The first things I was taught is "You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to kill", and "You don't kill anything you don't intend to eat".

On the Reservation, everyone hunts, and we hunt for food....not for fun, not for trophies, and not for sport. And if you shoot an animal, and it doesn't die, you track it and dispatch it, as soon as possible.

Killing a fox, or any animal, that is endangering your family, livestock, or crops, is an unfortunate fact of survival.

Chasing down an animal, any animal, just to destroy it, is worse than barbaric.

 

[pat grimshaw]

I guess you New World Haterzz want to kill off this other ancient cultural tradition as well.

 

[mbamike]

I don't see the point in terrorizing the poor animal myself.

 

[gsdx]

I guess you New World Haterzz want to kill off this other ancient cultural tradition as well.

It's not just "New World Haterzz". You should know as well as I that the bullfighting debate has been going on for decades. You're casting a lot of lines.

 

[rareboy]

I've been a hunter my whole life. I got my first rifle, a .22 Marlin, at 6 years old. The first things I was taught is "You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to kill", and "You don't kill anything you don't intend to eat".

On the Reservation, everyone hunts, and we hunt for food....not for fun, not for trophies, and not for sport. And if you shoot an animal, and it doesn't die, you track it and dispatch it, as soon as possible.

Killing a fox, or any animal, that is endangering your family, livestock, or crops, is an unfortunate fact of survival.

Chasing down an animal, any animal, just to destroy it, is worse than barbaric.

this. Purely this.

 

[rareboy]

I guess you New World Haterzz want to kill off this other ancient cultural tradition as well.

*vomits*

yeah. I'm one New World Hater that is doing everything they can do to stop this. The same way I do whatever I can to stop any barbaric and unnecessary cruelty to animals.

But I'm sure this spectacle just engorges your penis. See my previous posts.