What do you all think about fox hunting...???

[Willie Boy]

I guess you New World Haterzz want to kill off this other ancient cultural tradition as well.

It was that or cancel the cultural tradition of gay bashing.

 

[The Fly]

I guess you New World Haterzz want to kill off this other ancient cultural tradition as well.

I don't know that I'm a "New World Hater" but I'm in favour of eliminating this, as well as dog fighting, cock fighting, or any other form of entertainment derived from killing. I personally believe it turns your heart callus (those of us that have one).

 

[Kahaih]

I've been a hunter my whole life. I got my first rifle, a .22 Marlin, at 6 years old. The first things I was taught is "You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to kill", and "You don't kill anything you don't intend to eat".

Pretty words, to someone, I suppose.

Or, do you really eat bugs, mice, rats, the worms you hack to pieces when you spade up your garden . . . or maybe you have to actually shoot the animal for your rule to apply.

On the Reservation, everyone hunts, and we hunt for food....not for fun, not for trophies, and not for sport. And if you shoot an animal, and it doesn't die, you track it and dispatch it, as soon as possible.

Seriously? You're going to compare hunting traditions/practices/efficiency on an American Indian Reservation to hunting traditions/practices/efficiency on the British Isles? Really?

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that life on the Reservation is still that primitive? As I understand it, America's Federally funded food stamp program is available to, and well used by, people on Reservations – even on those Reservations that sell tobacco products and have huge money making casinos. Surely hunting on Reservations has more to do with tradition/sport/fun that it has to do with putting food on the table – I refuse to believe otherwise. The United States has a lot of problems/flaws, but letting people starve isn't one of them.

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I'll leave that 'not for trophies' bullshit be, for now.

Killing a fox, or any animal, that is endangering your family, livestock, or crops, is an unfortunate fact of survival.

Chasing down an animal, any animal, just to destroy it, is worse than barbaric.

You're definitely contradicting yourself with those two lines.

 

[The Fly]

^^^Please enlighten me with your first hand knowledge of life on a Res.

And killing a animal that is threatening your livestock and/or crops is not the same as killing it for fun.....no contradiction.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^^^Please enlighten me with your first hand knowledge of life on a Res....

You could enlighten him of your first hand knowledge of hunting traditions/practices/efficiency on the British Isles.

 

[Kahaih]

^^^Please enlighten me with your first hand knowledge of life on a Res.

. . . .

You show Minneapolis, Minnesota as your location.

On Feb. 6, 2015, in a Hot Topics thread, in response to the question, 'What "tribe(s)" are you in/associate with?', you posted this:

Abnaki and Shakopee Mdewakanton..........

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...sociate-with?p=9813533&viewfull=1#post9813533


The Abnaki people are in northern New England. A long way from Minneapolis.

The Shakopee Mdewakanton, though:

The Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community is located southwest of Minneapolis and Saint Paul, Minnesota.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakopee_Mdewakanton_Sioux_Community

Is this the Reservation you speak of when you tell us that you/they only go hunting for food?

Here are a couple of other interesting links:

http://www.shakopeedakota.org/

http://www.shakopeedakota.org/donations.html

http://mn.gov/indianaffairs/tribes_shakopee.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic_Lake_Casino_Hotel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Six_Casino

 

[The Fly]

I refuse to believe otherwise.

Your dogged determination to remain ignorant doesn't leave much room for discussion does it?

You show Minneapolis, Minnesota as your location.

On Feb. 6, 2015, in a Hot Topics thread, in response to the question, 'What "tribe(s)" are you in/associate with?', you posted this:



http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...sociate-with?p=9813533&viewfull=1#post9813533


The Abnaki people are in northern New England. A long way from Minneapolis.

The Shakopee Mdewakanton, though:

The Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community is located southwest of Minneapolis and Saint Paul, Minnesota.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakopee_Mdewakanton_Sioux_Community

Is this the Reservation you speak of when you tell us that you/they only go hunting for food?

Here are a couple of other interesting links:

http://www.shakopeedakota.org/

http://www.shakopeedakota.org/donations.html

http://mn.gov/indianaffairs/tribes_shakopee.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic_Lake_Casino_Hotel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Six_Casino

Had you looked further you would have found I was raised on the Penobscot Island Indian Reservation, in Maine. My mother was Abnaki, my father was Caucasian (English, Irish). I moved to Minnesota in '85 and became involved with, and adopted by the Shakopee Mdewankaton Souix in '87. Does that clear up my association with the 2?

Contrary to what you may believe, tax free tobacco, bingo parlours, and casinos are relatively new. They didn't have them when I was a kid. And still today, not all tribal members share in the money received from these entities, a huge chunk goes off res to casino management firms. Add to that the corrupt tribal government, so the revenue from these things are nowhere near as great as people think.

Today Natives on reservations large and small hunt, fish, farm, and trap to supplement their families food stuffs. Believe it or not, many families refuse to accept food stamps or any kind of welfare.


But I guess you won't believe it...as you said "I refuse to believe otherwise".

 

[The Fly]

You could enlighten him of your first hand knowledge of hunting traditions/practices/efficiency on the British Isles.

I never made any claim of first hand or any other knowledge of them, I just said fox hunting is barbaric.....I stand by that opinion.

 

[gsdx]

You could enlighten him of your first hand knowledge of hunting traditions/practices/efficiency on the British Isles.

I hate guns and hunting. I've never hunted in my life, not even as a spectator. However, I expect that hunting is the same anywhere in the world. Fox hunting is a misnomer. It is a sport. The dogs do the hunting and killing. The humans ride along behind them blowing horns and yelling 'tally ho'. There is no comparison.

You can't have many lines left to throw in.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Haterz must exercise their right to hate.

 

[rareboy]

I hate guns and hunting. I've never hunted in my life, not even as a spectator. However, I expect that hunting is the same anywhere in the world. Fox hunting is a misnomer. It is a sport. The dogs do the hunting and killing. The humans ride along behind them blowing horns and yelling 'tally ho'. There is no comparison.

You can't have many lines left to throw in.

Exactly.

On the other hand, being proven wrong or just plain ignorant has never stopped Grimshaw from attempting to assume a morally superior and unassailable position.

 

[pat grimshaw]

..pompous pieces of shit called Tory's they will b e voted out in May If I have anything to do with it.

Will you be voting for the awkward Miliband or the hilarious Natalie Bennet?

 

[Kahaih]

Your dogged determination to remain ignorant doesn't leave much room for discussion does it?


Had you looked further you would have found I was raised on the Penobscot Island Indian Reservation, in Maine. My mother was Abnaki, my father was Caucasian (English, Irish). I moved to Minnesota in '85 and became involved with, and adopted by the Shakopee Mdewankaton Souix in '87. Does that clear up my association with the 2?

Contrary to what you may believe, tax free tobacco, bingo parlours, and casinos are relatively new. They didn't have them when I was a kid. And still today, not all tribal members share in the money received from these entities, a huge chunk goes off res to casino management firms. Add to that the corrupt tribal government, so the revenue from these things are nowhere near as great as people think.

Today Natives on reservations large and small hunt, fish, farm, and trap to supplement their families food stuffs. Believe it or not, many families refuse to accept food stamps or any kind of welfare.


But I guess you won't believe it...as you said "I refuse to believe otherwise".

There was/is no reason for me to look back any farther.

Your claim [see below] – paragraph 2 of post 135 is present tense – today, where you are now, not where you were, or what went on, back in the '80s.

I've been a hunter my whole life. I got my first rifle, a .22 Marlin, at 6 years old. The first things I was taught is "You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to kill", and "You don't kill anything you don't intend to eat".

On the Reservation, everyone hunts, and we hunt for food....not for fun, not for trophies, and not for sport. And if you shoot an animal, and it doesn't die, you track it and dispatch it, as soon as possible.

Killing a fox, or any animal, that is endangering your family, livestock, or crops, is an unfortunate fact of survival.

Chasing down an animal, any animal, just to destroy it, is worse than barbaric.

As for the rest of your post 147, vague claims and accusations – somewhere this and that is/was going on – do nothing to strengthen your case.

You've produced nothing that explains/justifies your own personal reasons/choice to continue hunting – in the year 2015.

 

[The Fly]

There was/is no reason for me to look back any farther.

Your claim [see below] – paragraph 2 of post 135 is present tense – today, where you are now, not where you were, or what went on, back in the '80s.




As for the rest of your post 147, vague claims and accusations – somewhere this and that is/was going on – do nothing to strengthen your case.

You've produced nothing that explains/justifies your own personal reasons/choice to continue hunting – in the year 2015.

Why bother....

I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

[peeonme]

Hunting in order to eat is natural. Hunting to kill is human.

 

[Willie Boy]

HHunting to kill is human.

Then why not set convicted murderers free in a maze, with no weapons, and allow people to hunt them?

 

[peeonme]

Then why not set convicted murderers free in a maze, with no weapons, and allow people to hunt them?

Even the most cold hearted sport hunters generally make a distinction between humans and animals. That's not to say that it has never happened, but modern society would frown upon it.

 

[Willie Boy]

Even the most cold hearted sport hunters generally make a distinction between humans and animals. That's not to say that it has never happened, but modern society would frown upon it.

So its OK to hunt innocent creatures for fun, but not hardened criminals who have murdered and will likely do it again? Very civilized.

 

[Keeland]

Typical of conservatives worldwide.

If you can't tame it, kill it.

 

[Willie Boy]

Why do either?