What do you bisexuals think of 'faux' bisexuals?

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Hi SLOPPYSECONDS

Appolgies - but I'm not a native English speaker and can't actually follow what you're saying - though I think your ideas on how Civilized we actually are would be interesting if I could understand these.

Also - I still have trouble with all the rules for writing English - but shouldn't it be
"labels are important" as the subject is plural? or maybe this is one of these frustrating English things like Sheep being the same singular and plural - or if more than one Clitoris should be refered to as "Clitori" rather than "Clitorises"

DUDE planet earth be operatin fa long time ans it spin fa reason

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it all out there DUDE! ans natives no figure english thens any folk figure da pap of lot lingos planet

try sniffin! it work fine

ans if world so Spazz ova labels ( ya gos more then da standard Gay Bi Straight Lesbian Curious ) Internet roll aorund like lost marbles > but methinks some labels no like be sling up cause

 

[Nomenclature]

yes i agree. it's not important what someone else labels themselves nor is it important what others label them. labels just aren't important.

Yes, they actually are.


If products at the grocery story don't have labels anywhere on their packaging, how are we supposed to know what we're getting? How are we supposed to know how much they cost, and how is the cashier supposed to ring them up?


Likewise: If the person we're talking to doesn't even want to define who they are, then how are we supposed to read them? How can we identify with a person who doesn't even feel the need to HAVE an identity?! That's asinine.




I know this is the unpopular opinion, but I strongly feel that labels are a completely neutral, natural part of human social life. Therefore, it's my opinion that a person who refuses to label their self is doing so out of guilt, fear or "political correctness". Neither of those are healthy.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Yes, they actually are.


If products at the grocery story don't have labels anywhere on their packaging, how are we supposed to know what we're getting? How are we supposed to know how much they cost, and how is the cashier supposed to ring them up?


Likewise: If the person we're talking to doesn't even want to define who they are, then how are we supposed to read them? How can we identify with a person who doesn't even feel the need to HAVE an identity?! That's asinine.




I know this is the unpopular opinion, but I strongly feel that labels are a completely neutral, natural part of human social life. Therefore, it's my opinion that a person who refuses to label their self is doing so out of guilt, fear or "political correctness". Neither of those are healthy.

you read what ya just post?

ans

supermarket ans PEOPLE?

what point cultures get their kids up ta figure feet ans brain before rush ta pump air ans words



no tell me internet really tv reality show?

 

[clicker]

Yes, they actually are.


If products at the grocery story don't have labels anywhere on their packaging, how are we supposed to know what we're getting? How are we supposed to know how much they cost, and how is the cashier supposed to ring them up?


Likewise: If the person we're talking to doesn't even want to define who they are, then how are we supposed to read them? How can we identify with a person who doesn't even feel the need to HAVE an identity?! That's asinine.




I know this is the unpopular opinion, but I strongly feel that labels are a completely neutral, natural part of human social life. Therefore, it's my opinion that a person who refuses to label their self is doing so out of guilt, fear or "political correctness". Neither of those are healthy.

So true. The labels straight, bi, or gay covers everybody. Tha tis the whole sexual spectrum, so why all the fuss? One word: homophobia.. Fear, guilt,etc. it sucks.

 

[AsianDream]

Hi SLOPPYSECONDS
Appolgies - but I'm not a native English speaker and can't actually follow what you're saying - though I think your ideas on how Civilized we actually are would be interesting if I could understand these.

DUDE planet earth be operatin fa long time ans it spin fa reason

Yes I understand that the Earth has been in existance for around 4.5 billion years and that the reason it spins at the rate it does is due to a collision with a Mars sized planet at an early stage in it's formation - also that this is why the earth has a much larger moon than would otherwise be the case.

So clearly I accept your idea that the Earth has been around for a while and that there is an explanation for why it spins at a faster rate than many other planets

it all out there DUDE! ans natives no figure english thens any folk figure da pap of lot lingos planet

try sniffin! it work fine

This part of your response is somewhat harder to understand for me - but I would interpret this as refering to a form of conceptual universal human language - while most people are constrained by the limitations of conventional garmmar (at least that is how I understand the phrase "english thens any folk figure da pap of lot lingos planet").

I do not follow your reference to nasal inhilation

ans if world so Spazz ova labels ( ya gos more then da standard Gay Bi Straight Lesbian Curious ) Internet roll aorund like lost marbles > but methinks some labels no like be sling up cause

Im assuming this is is a reference to the futility of asigning labels to aspects of human sexuality?

Nevertheless - as you are a native English speaker - I'm sure you're expresssion of these ideas are much more Succinct and lucid than I could manage.

From a personal viewpoint - I do hope that the word "Spazz" does not refer to those that are Spastic or are in any way derogatory to those with any mental or physical disability

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Yes I understand that the Earth has been in existance for around 4.5 billion years and that the reason it spins at the rate it does is due to a collision with a Mars sized planet at an early stage in it's formation - also that this is why the earth has a much larger moon than would otherwise be the case.

So clearly I accept your idea that the Earth has been around for a while and that there is an explanation for why it spins at a faster rate than many other planets



This part of your response is somewhat harder to understand for me - but I would interpret this as refering to a form of conceptual universal human language - while most people are constrained by the limitations of conventional garmmar (at least that is how I understand the phrase "english thens any folk figure da pap of lot lingos planet").

I do not follow your reference to nasal inhilation



Im assuming this is is a reference to the futility of asigning labels to aspects of human sexuality?

Nevertheless - as you are a native English speaker - I'm sure you're expresssion of these ideas are much more Succinct and lucid than I could manage.

From a personal viewpoint - I do hope that the word "Spazz" does not refer to those that are Spastic or are in any way derogatory to those with any mental or physical disability

no > way ya post a go ya wirte you defo native english poster

( ya got millions people world ans lot cultures racin ta alls be somethin ) ans ( no out da crap theirs owns hisotry )

here simple hlep figure > sean Penn in Haiti doin somethin

who da fuck sean penn? no fuckin idea. He famous he penguin who care

folk planet need help no give shit what artifical crap cultures dress up ans stuff downs folks throats > just food help ( sean penn ) learnin somethin what fuckin great

lot folk survive planet in spites da spit of cultures stuff with books education ans ton toys ans all da insane issues cultures squrims a withs fa eonsssss ans taday ans future

it allllll there - everyday livin all ova da planet ans no need questions or answers ta it cause it there faeva> internet COME FROM IT ans what Internet? cream of da crap of cultures get use it

( repeat Labels create fa reason world ova humans survive in ) modern world what think it anythin cause no fuckin modern - gooooooo learn da labels create ans whyyyyyyyy ifs no idea > they around fa centuryssssssssss ) then when cultures figure da crap ( labels shred um ) ans go figure where life come from Cause aint humansssssssssss

thank you ans

 

[88Jockstraps]

No Worries - I'm maybe a bit oversensitive - as I "Label" myself Gay - but have discovered I'm almost certainly BI



Thanks - flattery will get a guy everywhere (at least with me)

Um Err - I don't suppose there's any chance you're into Watersports ?

No, I'm not into watersports.

But I am into dick, Lol. I would love to service that nice stiff cock of yours. My nuts are tight just looking at that pic.

 

[zunkian]

There are certain guys who are confused with the term bisexuality.
I have encountered some "bisexuals" in the Philippines who claim to be bisexual but never have sex or never have been attracted to women. They think bisexuality means you're attracted and prefers to have sex with men but you are manly and butch acting which is a completely absurd description of the term.
For them, the term GAY means you're either a drag queen, screaming queen, a ladyboy, or a flaming twink. Masculine men who have sex with other masculine men are considered bisexuals!
Which is wrong wrong wrong!
So therefore, I think, the term "faux" bisexuals fits these guys!

 

[conrad]

The summer I turned fifteen I discovered that there was real joy in sex with another fellow. We both continued to think of ourselves as very regular guys.

The following summer I was introduced to the joys of sex with a lady. To say that I was enchanted would be to put it mildly. I did not re-label myself; I was still a very regular guy who had a very lucky summer.

When my male lover returned from his summer on his grandparents' ranch in Montana and my lady friend went back to college, I was very happy to return to the joys of m2m sex. And we continued to think of ourselves as pretty regular guys. all through high school.

On this site I have made it clear that, for lack of a better term, I call myself a bisexual man, though I have been a faithful husband for many years and have not had sex with a man during my marriage.

The public is entitled to what they can see. I do not broadcast the fact that I know that I can sustain a loving sexual relationship with a man but I also can sustain and be very happy in a loving sexual relationship with a woman. Faithfulness in any sexual relationship is important to me. I don't think any of my sexual partners ever doubted that.

To me, what happens sexually between two persons is their business and as such is personal and private and should remain so.

I have never "come out" because IMHO no one has any real need to know that I have known love on both sides of my sexuality.

 

[mbamike]

I really don't care what people call themselves! Treat me as you want me to treat you and we will get along just fine.

If you want to make the situation sexual, then we will take it into the bedroom and no one else needs to know. Enough with fucking labels.

 

[Bittersweet One]

I think that what any one individual calls themselves is their own business and not something that I need to worry about.

If someone needs a stepping stone from bi to gay, it isn't my business.

 

[88Jockstraps]

I really don't care what people call themselves! Treat me as you want me to treat you and we will get along just fine.

If you want to make the situation sexual, then we will take it into the bedroom and no one else needs to know. Enough with fucking labels.

mbamike, I know what you mean, but I am just curious as to what people's opinions are on this subject. If I didn't think people had any opinion on this subject, I wouldn't have started this thread. And the 'faux bisexual' word was just a silly thing I used to describe gays who labeled themselves bisexual; it wasn't meant to be a criticism or a new 'term' I was trying to spread around.

Oh, and nice ass!

 

[88Jockstraps]

Yes, they actually are.


If products at the grocery story don't have labels anywhere on their packaging, how are we supposed to know what we're getting? How are we supposed to know how much they cost, and how is the cashier supposed to ring them up?


Likewise: If the person we're talking to doesn't even want to define who they are, then how are we supposed to read them? How can we identify with a person who doesn't even feel the need to HAVE an identity?! That's asinine.




I know this is the unpopular opinion, but I strongly feel that labels are a completely neutral, natural part of human social life. Therefore, it's my opinion that a person who refuses to label their self is doing so out of guilt, fear or "political correctness". Neither of those are healthy.

Nomenclature, I agree 100% with everything you said. The truth is you're gay if you're attracted to the same sex and only the same sex, whether you admit it or not.

But I think the reason why people don't like to label themselves is because some ignorant people, once you come out, they will be like, 'whoa, aren't you that gay singer?' Or 'Aren't you that bisexual cook?' Why can't I be just a singer or just a cook? Why do you have to label me a GAY singer or a BISEXUAL cook?

 

[Mnestor]

I'm actually not bothered by any of these people. I don't mind it if people feel they need to take that step through bisexuality to accept that they are gay. If it helps them to become more comfortable with themselves, then sure.

The second group I've never even heard of before so I have no opinion of them.

The people that actually irritate are those jasoncrew mentions: the ones who say bisexuals don't exist. Saying that is one of the easiest ways to piss me off. Usually I say something along the lines of "Thank you for nullifying my very existence. Go fuck yourself." Sometimes I add a "Have a nice day" because those 4 words piss some people off quite effectively.

Do y'all exist I haven't seen any ? well I did see one on a t.v.show once does that count? Not here to offend anyone or get anyone angry.

 

[AsianDream]

Do y'all exist I haven't seen any ? well I did see one on a t.v.show once does that count? Not here to offend anyone or get anyone angry.

I suspect you may actually offend some people if you're implying that bisexual people don't exist?

 

[Nomenclature]

Nomenclature, I agree 100% with everything you said. The truth is you're gay if you're attracted to the same sex and only the same sex, whether you admit it or not.

Gay = A person who desires sex and relationships exclusively with the same gender.

Bisexual = A person who desires sex and relationships with either gender, usually with a strong preference one way or the other.

Straight = A person who desires sex and relationships exclusively with the opposite gender.



I've never understood why that was so hard for people to understand.

But I think the reason why people don't like to label themselves is because some ignorant people, once you come out, they will be like, 'whoa, aren't you that gay singer?' Or 'Aren't you that bisexual cook?' Why can't I be just a singer or just a cook? Why do you have to label me a GAY singer or a BISEXUAL cook?

Yeah, I agree with that too. I know that when I was younger, I was horrified at the thought of being labeled as a "gay guy", above anything else. I knew it would instantly and permanently change everyone's perception of me, and I just couldn't deal with it.


By being "bisexual", I think a lot of people feel that they can avoid being branded as "that gay guy". Little do they know, people don't believe in male bisexuality; if you have sex with a guy even once - even if you didn't enjoy it - then people will still call you a fag, girls will be reluctant to date you etc.

 

[mike_n_herrin]

Yes, they actually are.


If products at the grocery story don't have labels anywhere on their packaging, how are we supposed to know what we're getting? How are we supposed to know how much they cost, and how is the cashier supposed to ring them up?


Likewise: If the person we're talking to doesn't even want to define who they are, then how are we supposed to read them? How can we identify with a person who doesn't even feel the need to HAVE an identity?! That's asinine.




I know this is the unpopular opinion, but I strongly feel that labels are a completely neutral, natural part of human social life. Therefore, it's my opinion that a person who refuses to label their self is doing so out of guilt, fear or "political correctness". Neither of those are healthy.

we're in a sexual forum and we're talking about the label of being bisexual etc. do you really think i meant any labels? i suppose i should have said "sexual labels." that is what is not important.

an identity is not the same thing as a label. are you telling me that needing to know if someone is english vs french is necessary for us to "identify" with them? that's asinine.

a label change. i can label a particular animal one thing systematically, but then 5 years later we do some genetic work on it and put a new label on it. that doesn't change it's identity it, it's still exactly the same organism it was, it only changes what we call it.

 

[clicker]

Nomenclature, I agree 100% with everything you said. The truth is you're gay if you're attracted to the same sex and only the same sex, whether you admit it or not.

But I think the reason why people don't like to label themselves is because some ignorant people, once you come out, they will be like, 'whoa, aren't you that gay singer?' Or 'Aren't you that bisexual cook?' Why can't I be just a singer or just a cook? Why do you have to label me a GAY singer or a BISEXUAL cook?

Exactly!! Fear of being pigeonholed!

 

[slnattak]

It all boils down to internalized homophobia (whether you're a bi man or a gay man, doesn't matter), because point blank- nobody talks about this stuff with heterosexuals, or say they 'don't want to be labelled.' It all boils down to that heterosexuality is more encouraged in society, because it has to be- to continue the human race. But if you're like me, you don't really care about 'humanity' as a whole just special individuals.

If homosexuality was treated as good as heterosexuality, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But it isn't, and it might not ever be. So above all else, we have to get comfortable with it ourselves, regardless of what the 'objective' perception is.

If true homosexual equality is reached, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That's the goal.

 

[AsianDream]

It all boils down to internalized homophobia (whether you're a bi man or a gay man, doesn't matter), because point blank- nobody talks about this stuff with heterosexuals, or say they 'don't want to be labelled.' It all boils down to that heterosexuality is more encouraged in society, because it has to be- to continue the human race. But if you're like me, you don't really care about 'humanity' as a whole just special individuals.

If homosexuality was treated as good as heterosexuality, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But it isn't, and it might not ever be. So above all else, we have to get comfortable with it ourselves, regardless of what the 'objective' perception is.

If true homosexual equality is reached, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That's the goal.

I think if we look back in history to Greek and Roman civilisations - it may be that "pansexuality" is probably the normal human condition.

Which does include enough M/F sex (and loving relationships) to keep our species going.