On Topic Discussion What do you think about bisexuals?

[MoufOfKhaos]

So it's gone from bi men bashing, to man bashing. And yet you have steadfastly refused to tell us why your shit doesn't stink.

Done with you, little girl.

 

[Kulindahr]

You know why so many people have an issue with bisexual guys? Because they can't make up their damn minds.. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but I do think the stereotype is true to some extent. Like.. if a guy says he's gay, but later finds out he's bi and like girls too.. that sets the movement back because it gives homophobes the ammunition they need, like.. they'll start to think that gay people can change. At least bisexuals are honest though, I totally admire and respect them for that. I know a few gay guys.. well.. they said they were gay anyway, who continued to have sex with girls. I just find it baffling.

Of course they say they're gay -- with bigoted assholes like you out there just waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn't fit your preconceived categories.

The reason you're baffled is you want to stick people in little boxes with tidy labels. If you're old enough to be on JUB, you're old enough to grow up and see people as individuals, not as objects that are supposed to never change lest it inconvenience your concept of "the movement".

 

[Kulindahr]

I didn't say BEING bisexual is a choice. I say they can't make up their minds what they really want, what they're looking for in a partner. On the one hand you have confident, out bisexual guys who are monogamous. I know they exist. But on the other hand you have bisexual guys who don't really know what they want, and uses bisexuality as a catch all. I think they're the ones ruining it for all bisexuals by giving the stereotype that bisexuals are confused and/or cheaters.

But I'm not saying this relates to all bisexual guys. Heck, sometimes gay men can be just as bad. If a guy says he's gay, even has a boyfriend/fiance, but still fucks girls.. then he's not really gay, is he? I know someone this happened too, and it was fucked up.

I'm starting to wonder if it's not about bisexual guys, but more about guys being confused about who they are, so they just fuck everything up.

Guys get confused about who they are because bigots like you don't want to allow anyone the freedom to just be himself -- you want to be able to feel secure about others by having a label to slap on everyone and know they'll abide by your label.

The only one "fuck[ing] everything up" is you -- well, and others like you who are so insecure you can't handle reality, so you want to stuff it into little boxes that don't allow anything to make you uncomfortable.

You're plainly not mature enough to have a BF, or a GF, because you can't allow anyone the space to be his or her own person. Heck, you can't even make your own whine, you just recycle all the derogatory things straights say about gays!

 

[pat grimshaw]

'Bigot', three times. This "Bi" thread is getting as angry as the last "Bi" thread.

This anger will disappear by 2034.

 

[otters]

'Bigot', three times. This "Bi" thread is getting as angry as the last "Bi" thread.

This anger will disappear by 2034.

well, could there be a so far undiscovered causality?
like: who the anger at bi got = an angered bi-got.

 

[sanchezenrique524]

I personally can't imagine dating a bisexual guy because i know there's a strong chance he'll leave me for a woman sooner or later. I know not all bisexuals are jerks but heteronormativity is everywhere and it could be VERY frustrating for a bisexual guy to be in a gay relationship when he could just have a "normal" relationship, have children in a easier way, get married anywhere he wants, holding hands with his female partner without people looking at them weirdly... Let's be honest: heterosexual privilege is not a myth, you DO have a lot of privileges when you are in a straight relationship, way more than in a gay one.

I talked to a lot of bisexual people over the years and basically ALL of them were in straight relationships. I don't think it's a stereotype to say that the huge majority of bi people end up in straight relationships. That's why i never understood this whole "bi now, gay later" stereotype since those people were never bi in the first place, they were gay all along and closeted. With real bi people, it's more "bi now, straight later". Not for all of them but definitively for the majority of them. I would love to be proven wrong but unfortunately it's not the case so far. Funny enough, it's the same thing on tv: every time there's a bi character on a movie or a show, he's always flirting with the same gender at some point but at the end, he's ALWAYS in a opposite sex relationship. Always. It's frustrating to see that lack of diversity when it comes to bi characters, they always end up "straight".

That's why i would like to ask: how many bi people do you guys know who are in gay relationships and wouldn't want to throw it in the trash at the first occasion? Do you know more bi people in straight relationships or gay relationships?

 

[Stardreamer]

Heterosexual privilege? Spirits I hate when political correct catch phrases start get tossed about like they actually mean something.

What I really find amazing about these discussion is they sound so similar to how the homophobes I hear from in conservative groups sound like when they talk about gays.

 

[Kulindahr]

Heterosexual privilege? Spirits I hate when political correct catch phrases start get tossed about like they actually mean something.

What I really find amazing about these discussion is they sound so similar to how the homophobes I hear from in conservative groups sound like when they talk about gays.

Like the post above yours -- so self-righteous, it could have practically come from a Southern Baptist preacher.

It's so easy, anyone can play: make a label, claim to not be prejudiced, but in spite of that claim that no one with the label you made can possibly be trusted.

 

[mikey3000]

I didn't say BEING bisexual is a choice. I say they can't make up their minds what they really want, what they're looking for in a partner. On the one hand you have confident, out bisexual guys who are monogamous. I know they exist. But on the other hand you have bisexual guys who don't really know what they want, and uses bisexuality as a catch all. I think they're the ones ruining it for all bisexuals by giving the stereotype that bisexuals are confused and/or cheaters.

But I'm not saying this relates to all bisexual guys. Heck, sometimes gay men can be just as bad. If a guy says he's gay, even has a boyfriend/fiance, but still fucks girls.. then he's not really gay, is he? I know someone this happened too, and it was fucked up.

I'm starting to wonder if it's not about bisexual guys, but more about guys being confused about who they are, so they just fuck everything up.

Yup, I called it almost from the start. You are full of shit. I'm betting that you are a dude who can't keep a b/f because of your attitude, then blame everyone else but you. Good one.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Heterosexual privilege? Spirits I hate when political correct catch phrases start get tossed about like they actually mean something.

Heterosexual privilege is the phrase used when describing those things that straight people get because they're straight. Marriage, the right to be by a dieing lovers' bedside, the baked goods fiasco, the ability to rent instead of hearing "You're just not good fit". It's not a hard concept to grasp.

It's disingenuous when people say 'political catch phrases' and then refuse to say what that entails. What you're actually complaining about isn't a catch phrase but more a locution, because het privilege is generally discussed by queer groups and their allies. In other words, it isn't a quip in an action movie. Or a gaffe, a offhand joke or entertaining bits of political satire. If you're going to whine, get it right.

 

[luckynumbah7]

It's....here.

Note 0.33, very pertinent. It's a whole vid of actual catchphrases, so you can learn to tell the damn things apart from phrases that have definitions.

Edited, technology so isn't my thing.

 

[bankside]

"Privilege" is a fashionable way to describe the rights you're missing as someone else's perk. It is the least helpful framework for describing desirable social change I have ever come across. It will go away when "critical theory" collapses under the weight of its own fatuousness. But nobody's lives will get any better in the meantime.

 

[xbuzzerx]

"Privilege" is a fashionable way to describe the rights you're missing as someone else's perk. It is the least helpful framework for describing desirable social change I have ever come across. It will go away when "critical theory" collapses under the weight of its own fatuousness. But nobody's lives will get any better in the meantime.

Listen to the expert who couldn't understand the basic term after like an 8-page thread attempting to explain it to him.

 

[luckynumbah7]

You usually don't see a gay man describing marriage as a perk. Ever notice that they wriggle their single-sentence disagreements into paragraphs while suddenly becoming allergic to the nouns they're arguing against in an effort to obfuscate the situation?

 

[travis82]

All I know about bisexuals is that most of the time, they always end up with the opposite gender.


That said, I wouldn't get involved in a relationship with them.

 

[bankside]

Listen to the expert who couldn't understand the basic term after like an 8-page thread attempting to explain it to him.

It is a stupid term, and worse, one that will not help anyone achieve their rights. I heard you waffle on for 8 pages, understanding what you were saying, but not agreeing with it, and trying to warn you of the consequences on public policy of this ill-considered approach to discussing rights.

 

[bankside]

You usually don't see a gay man describing marriage as a perk. Ever notice that they wriggle their single-sentence disagreements into paragraphs while suddenly becoming allergic to the nouns they're arguing against in an effort to obfuscate the situation?

I don't, which is why it baffles me that anyone would describe it as a privilege (a synonym for a perk, while we're discussing nouns..), when it is in fact a right to which lgbt people must have access. Framing marriage as a heterosexual privilege inevitably reduces to a criticism of a right that heterosexuals ought to be able to enjoy, instead of an argument for why minority sexuality individuals are also entitled to that right.

 

[xbuzzerx]

It is a stupid term, and worse, one that will not help anyone achieve their rights. I heard you waffle on for 8 pages, understanding what you were saying, but not agreeing with it, and trying to warn you of the consequences on public policy of this ill-considered approach to discussing rights.

Oh it was patently clear your discomfort was rooted far more in the fact that you are not comfortable acknowledging any passive relative benefit you experience as a white male in North America than it was rooted in concern that such a term somehow "harms" the advancement of social justice concerns. It's an irony that I used as an example in that discussion the differential levels of treatment, suspicion and force directed by police at black individuals just a matter of weeks before the Ferguson fiasco and you'd spent all that time denying that there's any use or meaningful purpose in recognizing these discrepancies.

Frankly though you're welcome to spit and hiss about how much you hate Critical Race Theory, it's pretty clear that you simply don't get that race is a daily reality for many people, but what's worse, you persist in that ignorance by declaring yourself some kind of arbiter of how others should view experiences you have never and will never have.

 

[Stardreamer]

Heterosexual privilege is the phrase used when describing those things that straight people get because they're straight. Marriage, the right to be by a dieing lovers' bedside, the baked goods fiasco, the ability to rent instead of hearing "You're just not good fit". It's not a hard concept to grasp.

It's disingenuous when people say 'political catch phrases' and then refuse to say what that entails. What you're actually complaining about isn't a catch phrase but more a locution, because het privilege is generally discussed by queer groups and their allies. In other words, it isn't a quip in an action movie. Or a gaffe, a offhand joke or entertaining bits of political satire. If you're going to whine, get it right.

Oh all such phrases have a meaning of course but they also serve to help build up walls and attitudes that have little to do with solving the issues they are talking about and more with an us vs them outlook. They mostly seem to be there so you use them in a debate and sound intellectual. In a sense you are taking a far more serious and complex issue and turning it into an 'action movie quip' that you can throw around in a debate. The problem is not heterosexual privilege, the problem is why are these basic things being denied to others.

 

[Stardreamer]

Every post since 350 essentially illustrates why such PC catch phrasing as heterosexual privilege makes the problem worse and not better, thank you for providing such excellent examples.