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What do you think?

I think you should stop hanging out with girls, it's affecting your mind. Certainly your posts are a huge challenge to wade through.

Luckily the problem is a simple one as is the advice. Stop talking to everybody else about this and just go talk to your friend.
 
Go for it Lucas talk to him either admit to being bi or the other way I sugested, I suspect you will be pleasantly surprised by his reaction. And dump these tittering harlots, they are no friends, If anything your friend you like deserves to know what is being said about him and that could be a pretext for telling him. The email idea is a good one as it lets you get your thoughts straight and present them better without the risk of getting sidelined and forgetting something cruicial.

Good luck buddy and keep us informed
 
Yeah.. Definitely they are no true friends. Just pisses me off I've been such a good friend to them and yet if they are playing me, well, I haven't been rewarded even respected. Well. I just hate it cause she didn't even tell me privately.. I mean my other friends were around us. She just exploded and words came flying everywhere. I'm really sorry for my guy friend since he's a victim too. I know he doesn't want to be outed or his reputation be tarnished if it's all true.

Guys.. What do you think about my reaction? Was I sending the wrong message like I was the one who likes him? Did i over react when I told her that what she did ain't cool since she was dealing and talking about a good friend of mine?

Or is it just proper reaction and I'm just the one who's getting paranoid?

I'll update later when I know the details. Though something tells me I can't trust whatever I hear. I'll see.

That's why this board is really of great help! Thanks guys..
 
G'day Lucas,

Mate what you need to consider here is the guy that you like...don't get too caught up in all the peripheral bs and forget what this guy might be thinking and feeling. Remove the rest of the crap from the picture and you might find that this guy is asking himself all the same questions you are...should i tell him? i'm scared now he might know something about me because i opened my mouth to someone? do i make the next move? thats why hes hiding...

Look...you guys sound like you have a great friendship even if you take the mixed signals out. Do you want to lose that over whats becoming a very mixed up crazy situation? You 2 are the important ones here.

Seek him out. talk to him. be open and honest with him about all aspects of your life...leave out how you feel about him if you want until he reacts to you...stop hiding from this guy. he will either reveal himself if thats what he needs to do, gain a little confidence that he could at some time in the future or at the very worst know that he has a friend that trusts him and values him.

But do it soon...before this blows up into a bitter mess that means you lose people that mean something to you!
 
Okay. So stupid friend told me.
And according to her.. She just substituted his name for another person of whom the guy I really like knows. I mean it's really stupid. She didn't think! Why in the world would she substitute his name and tell me "aren't you thinking why he doesn't go out with girls and he isn't linked to any?" and tells me that he likes me just because some other person she knows doesn't want me to know? That's stupid. And I asked her "so are you telling me my friend is gay?" and she told me yes! And even "I told you so next time you guys go out you know what to do" since I'm not out as bi and everyone knows I'm straight. She made a huge mistake. Even though I was straight and she told me that, I mean, it could possibly tarnish a friendship. I don't know still though.. Maybe she really slipped, it could be true or not. I still can't get over it. Why in the world would she make up facts like he's gay and he's not even ilke "into" any girl right now? Really confusing.

*** Long Detailed Post ***

First, I'll refer to my guy friend who I like a lot as Matt.

So last night there was a party. Hours before the party Matt texts me "Hey, are you going to the party later?", I replied "yeah, are you going to?"
"Yes I'm going... Would you like to meet up later? We could go there on a convoy." (since we came from another place prior so we both brought a car)
"Sure. What time are we meeting and where?"
"Maybe Around 7? Where do you want to meet?"
I tell him where does he want to meet etc so we settle for a metting spot.
a few hours later... Matt texted "Hey, I'm going to be late so I'll be there by 7 30. I'm really sorry we just went somewhere". I approved since I was also going to be late.

So I was there at 7 30. he hasn't arrived yet. Then a group of my friends saw me parked, as they too were just going around, so they park in front of me, i went out talked to them, you know all that "so what you doing here?" stuff. Then Matt arrives. So my the group of guys friends I dismissed since Matt's there. Matt parks and gets out of the car... We greeted each other, he greeted me with my name and then was curious who I was talking to so he asked "who were those?". They're just some friends. So yeah, we talked about where it was so I just followed him to the party.

Fast forward.
So we're in the party. I went in to get some food, after a few seconds, he also came in to get food. We talked as we put food into our plates. When we were eating on the table, his legs started to touch mine. And it wasn't even a crowded table. I didn't mind (I liked it) and he too seemed like there's nothing. So we talk etc.

Whenever I go in to get food, a drink or whatever, he would be following me. He would just go in with me, wait for me, a little talk, he doesn't get anything for himself. When I go out, he goes out with me too. He does this everytime I went in to get something. I thought that was kind of cute and sweet.

We talked all night! My conversation for the entire night, maybe 90% I was talking with him. 10% with other friends. He just has this look when he looks at me, his eyes have something to them. Though I'm not sure if he's eyes are just like that or what. And sometimes I look at him and he gives me this look and he has this cute little smile and he's doing eye contact. Really cute. I look at him but I don't really do eye contact for him for long I was going to melt! His look just melts me! I just look at him too in the eye and then do whatever I was doing again.

At times, he would be pulling up the sleeves of his shirt to show his arms (nice arms too), though It was nice and cool outside. He also pulled up his pants to expose both his legs while we were sitting down talking. I wanted to touch his arms and legs, just grab his hands, but, you know why I didn't. I really wanted to just playfully touch him, but I was too shy/scared since there were a lot of our friends surrounding us too. We were sitting on the side walk. So it was pretty cool. Just nice yellowish light, the moon, stars... it was a nice night.

Matt is a real good guitar player. There was a guitar present, but he brought up that he also brought his guitar so he took it out of his car, sat beside me. He played some tunes, sometimes would even sing! And he never sings! I've never heard him sing before! It wasn't his thing. but this time he sang. Really cute! I would sing with him sometimes (I'm a bad singer). Glancing at each other. I tell him how much I love the song he's playing, and he tells affirms it too that he loves it too. So I was sitting there enjoying his music, looking straight, but from time to time I would be glancing at him playing, and he has this look again on his face. The eyes and the smile. Looking directly at my face/eyes. It really melts me. I can't look that long or else I would just melt completely. I had to keep myself together. So yeah, again, we talk the whole night about different topics.

I'm a bit of a musician myself, so I grabbed one of the guitars, and I listen by ear and try to imitate what he's doing. But I'm no guitar player. So I was trying then suddenly he was just teaching me.. Something like a mini lesson. At times he would reach out and arrange my fingers on the fret board. We would just be looking at each other - me trying to play what he's doing right. At one time when my guitar was blocking the way and people were trying to pass through, he held my hand and he gently guided my hand holding the guitar were the frets are so he guided my whole upper body, me never releasing the guitar, so that I may give way. I mean, out of all the places on the guitar he could touch or grab, he held my hand. He could have just told me, but he chose to hold my hand. I didn't get a glimpse of his face though, I so wanted to look into his eyes and like give him this look, but for some reason I couldn't focus at that time. Lol. So we went back to the conversation, listening to music, him singing tunes, laughing. Lots of fun.

I also noticed.. We were always near each other the whole night. Always. And he had friends there too. We had the same friends as you may know it was a large group, but we were a at the max a few feet away from each other. Most of the time we were beside each other. He sits beside me.. And I also sit beside him.

He was supposed to go early, he tells me what time he would be leaving. but for some reason he stayed hours later. Just sitting there beside me. And when he looked at his watch he just goes "Wow it's already 1 am? Time's so fast!" I don't know, I don't want to assume he stayed because I was still there. But he really had to go so he went ahead. We exchanged our goodbyes, I held out my hand he grabbed it then he told me "we'll see each other again" or something like "I'll see you" as we often bump into each other since we go to the same building (different classes) in college. and we shook each other's hands. Which I'm disappointed about. Hahaha. So he rode his car, I was glancing, watching if he'd left already, but he stayed there for quite some time. Finally he left. I texted him to take care.

I haven't heard from him since. So I don't know! Are some guys really like this? he doesn't really communicate a lot through text, phone, or IM. but at times he does. Just not frequent. But when we get together... we communicate / talk great. He has always been like that. I like how he laughs when I say (or try) something funny. Yeah. Are some guys just really like this? Tell me please!

So that's the night. Pretty detailed. I want to hear what you think about the whole exchange / behavior.

You think he's interested?

Tell me everything you think!

Thanks guys! :D
 
Just something I forgot to add!

Our friends (me and matt's) were offering me drinks (beer and alcoholic stuff) but then he tells them immediately "No! He can't drink!! He's still driving home!". And his voice was really commanding like he was protecting me from robbers or something. Notice the exclamation points "No! He can't Drink!". Like warding off bad people for my safety. It was a different tone. It was really sweeet. :) But our other friends were drinking and they were also driving home, but He didn't even give a damn. :)

I didn't have plans of drinking anyway (and he knew it) and he doesn't drink so we were both sober all night. I thought that was really sweet.
 
All the signs are pretty much there! He's certainly quite a romantic and a considerate, caring guy! The only reasons why you or him didn't go further were because of your friends being there at the party. Invite him and him only to the cinema to see what else happens. Then I think you should know for sure.
 
Maybe this would help but then again I don't know how to interpret them or read em..

He has these gay friends the one's who are really out and Like one time when I was hanging out with him and some friends then suddenly his gay friend (the group's openly gay friend) arrives then he says how he feels insecure. I dunno. But maybe because girls like this guy because of how he looks. Because apparenlty everyone (guys included) think he's hot. Not for me. But he kept saying he was insecure about this gay dude. So I just told him "What do you need to be insecure about?" :D hhahaha

And one time while we were talking, suddenly, again another friend of his passed by they exchanged their greetings. Well he looked like the normal school guy and looked really straight. I wouldn't have suspected not one bit. But then he suddenly put his hand on my shoulder and told me... "You know what... That guy that just passed by, He's gay. He told me when I got to meet him" And I was like... Okay... And he had to grab my shoulder for that. I told him "And you had to do that just to tell me that?" (at the back of my head I just wished he told me he was gay too and He likes me lol). he just told me something like "well, just nothing..". What's up with that?

I was astonished how many gay guys Matt knows! The ones you wouldn't suspect are gay. And he keeps telling me stories about his gay friends from time to time.

He's really gay friendly and has no problems with it. But then again sometimes when the idea of gay sex or anything that's gay in nature (as perceived by straight guys) comes into the scene, he says "Groossseee!" Like he shows disgust of some sort. And laughs it off. But that's it. I kind of feel like he's faking it. I do that. Everyone thinks I'm straight and no plans of outing just yet.

So yeah that's some other stuff I notice.

Just an addition.
 
In summary, he wants to be close you you and takes every opportunity to have some body contact with you. Yeah, I'd say he's interested.

What are you going to do about it? There is always going to be limited opportunity if you only see him when there are other people around, so you have to organize something for just the two of you.

Cinemas and restaurants are public places, so not really ideal.

The next time he asks if you're going to the party

The obvious thing that jumps out at me is the guitar. Is there a place, like yours or his, where you could be alone? Ask him if he would continue the guitar lessons from the other night, maybe teach you some songs.

When he talks about his gay friends, he may be testing you for your reaction if your'e receptive.

The other thing is to not be completely passive. When he sits beside you with your legs touching, reposition yourself to increase the touch.

If you don't have the balls to give him very clear signals, then at least give him some unambiguous feedback so that he knows it's ok for him to go on.
 
um.. how old are you?

Because really.. grown men shoudln't be in this holding pattern and carrying on like high school kids. Grown men should be just laying their cards out on the table.

This whole thing is really ridiculous.. you like him, you're gay... you've been told that he likes you and yet you both spend the whole night dropping hints and then pretending you didn't notice.

You're going to have to cut that out eventually.. you know that, right?
 
Lucas

Grow some balls and tell him. You know the answer yet you are afraid of hearing it.

If the situation is not the right one, make it the right one. Stop making excuses and take charge. You will be glad you did :)
 
We're both still young
Young enough to be pretty naive and unknowledgeaable about these stuff..
Just stepped into college..

Well I texted him... I texted him "matt" then he replied with my name and got to talk a bit bla bla. He brought up stuff like why he wasn't online in IM anymore because he was hiding from some people bla bla then I tried to ask him out. I said hey let's get lunch this week, he goes, "okay, my breaks are at this time bla bla"... Then Matt asks me "So who are we going with?".. I was bummed, I mean, cmon i want us to be alone.. I didn't have guts still to tell him "just us", So I told him in a disappointed tone, "Oh...Okay.. Well, I guess whoever you want to bring if you want to".. I didn't hint anything that I even wanted to bring anyone. He goes "Well, as usual, my classmates"

So I was disappointed that he didn't take it. I ended the conversation.. I said "Oh........... Okay.... Well I have to go now. Goodnight!".. "Okay..Goodnight!"

I mean, he's always like that. Whenever I try to ask him out (just the 2 of us) he always brings up and asks me who are we going with or who are the other people coming... And sometimes he would ask me out I don't ask if we're going with anyone... I just tell him "sure" I just hope he just asked only me. But there's always someone else with us.
Is he just afraid? scared? or straight and really nice so I mistake it for interest in me?

And again, are some guys really like him? most of the time I'm the one to initiate a conversation in IM or text, And I feel like I'm the one working to keep it going.. it feels awkward in a way. Is he just too lazy or still scared?

*
Thanks to you guys i'm much more confident now to actually make a move.. bolder and more straight forward moves. I'll try to get us alone. JUB has really helped me out a lot as I never have had any experiences in the past.. Again, We're young and closeted surrounded by friends/people. So I guess that explains why I (possibly him too) scared just laying out the cards on the table. If it were just that simple. I know it's really like high school, but I guess were just not mature in these stuff just yet if he too was bi/gay. I know it sounds like we're kids.. But I guess that's the reason why I'm here. I'll grow from this output/input thing. So I thank you all.

I'm going to tell him.. I want to. I want to directly ask him, if we could go out together sometime. but the thought of what if he's straight and just really nice bothers me. Mixed signals.
 
Lucas07, it is obvious Matt really likes you. Even if Matt is straight and he doesn't want to jump your bones, the fact that he likes you isn't going to change. Though based off everything I seriously doubt the fact he is straight.

Lucas you two are playing a game, you need to realize that. Now you used to play the game, for in high school you had to play the game to protect yourself. But it isn't high school anymore, you don't have to be silly. This game needs to be completed, it needs to be over, the finishline for the race needs to be crossed. If neccessary play dirty to make this game come to the close. You are no longer in high school, you don't have to be silly, especially since you already know what is going to happen.

You need to stand up and take charge, you are going to need to get him alone sometime. If he always has an excuse, then you are going to need to out think him. Instead of arranging a "date" why can you not just show up to his dorm/house sometime and say I am hungry, I am dragging you to lunch. The suprise will not allow him time to think :-)

Lucas I understand you are nervous, fuck I am the type of person who almost dies in these form of situations I understand completely ;) . But you are going to have to learn how to act, you are no longer in high school, thus stop acting like you are. You are new to this, thus you don't have experience, but lucas how do you think people gain experience in the first place.

If you need advice on how to act, we will gladly give it to you. We have a local thing called the "soilwork treatment" maybe someone here can introduce you to it :p
 
Is he just afraid? scared? or straight and really nice so I mistake it for interest in me?
Uhhhhh... listen... most straight guys don't follow other guys around at parties all night long or sit close enough to make body contact EVER. Nor are they gonna touch you and 'hold' your hand trying to teach you how to play guitar or freakin SING to you if there wasn't something else going on inside their head.

Okay? Trust me on this.

I agree with 3nipples, he's testing you for a reaction and quite possibly questioning his own masculinity right now. And maybe the reason he always wants people with you guys when you're out together is because the thought of being alone with you makes him a little nervous and the other people being there are his protection, so to speak. They are his 'crutch'.

I perfectly understand how you feel. I'm the same way. I'm a wimp. If a guy doesn't make a move on me, it's probably not gonna happen. So I can't advise you to just go up and kiss the guy when I doubt I'd do it myself. But I also agree with some of the others that something's gotta give, here. This is crazy!

You're going to have to get him alone at some point. Not at a party, not with other people around - why not ask him to come over some night and chill with a few beers to watch a movie? You know, like, "Hey, let's kick back and drink a few and order a pizza and watch a good flick," type of thing. If he suggests bringing a bunch of people with him, then I'd just tell him you're not up to it, that you hadn't really planned on having a bunch of people over, that maybe you wanted him to show you how to play a little more guitar.

DO IT DO IT DO IT. Cuz seriously, man, at this point, I don't really think you have much to lose. Invite him over, leave the ball in his court for a while, and see what happens. If he continues to show obvious signs of liking you and trying to get close to you, then just kiss the dude. If he slaps you, then you'll know.
 
If you need advice on how to act, we will gladly give it to you. We have a local thing called the "soilwork treatment" maybe someone here can introduce you to it :p

Introduce me to this soilwork treatment :D
This is a first for me so I really don't know what to do. I liked / like him more than anyone ever. And I'm a wimp too. Tell me please ;)

Again, thanks. I really appreciate it..
 
Introduce me to this soilwork treatment :D
This is a first for me so I really don't know what to do. I liked / like him more than anyone ever. And I'm a wimp too. Tell me please ;)

Again, thanks. I really appreciate it..
We told ya! Just do it!

Invite him to your place, if it's feasible. And go from there.

No soilwork treatment yet, he's still a virgin :badgrin:
 
Lol "soilwork"

I'm gonna try my best to be alone with him. I'm following your advice guys. One of these days I'm gonna do it!

It really ticks me off he doesn't text me.. Well sometimes he texts me but most of the time it's always me bringing up the exchange and starting it. I mean, he could just say good night or hi or something.. I text him but it's realllyy rare I get messages from him just to say hi or good night or whatever.. I always make the connection. I dunno maybe he just wants to be chased, went after, or what?

Well again, I'm going to make my move some time soon. Any subtle ideas you guys have in mind? Post em I really need ideas hahaha I'm excited...
 
Well again, I'm going to make my move some time soon. Any subtle ideas you guys have in mind? Post em I really need ideas hahaha I'm excited...

I think I did that already ;)

Just get the guy alone. And stop driving yourself crazy over this. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. All you can do is try. You gotta MAKE the situation. I'm an expert at creating situations but then not following through with them. I chicken out. I'm really surprised I'm not a virgin. Or I haven't at least had my ass kicked.

Trust me, I know what it feels like to 'agonize' over someone you really like but you're too scared to do anything about it. Do you know how many opportunities I've blown? I mean, maybe that's a good thing, these guys could have been complete psychotics. But then maybe they could have been somebody I'd wanna spend my time with. I've kicked myself in the ass more than once for not going for it.

Sheesh. Don't end up like me. Lonely and bored with life. I'm there because I put myself there. It's nobody's fault but my own.

Just do it.
 
Any subtle ideas you guys have in mind? Post em I really need ideas hahaha I'm excited...

Dude... strap on pair.

the time has long past for subtlety. It's now time to grab the brass ring and tell the guy just what you want him to know.

you know.. when you go to a restaurant, the food doesn't just magically appear on your plate. You gotta say what you want out loud.
 
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