What does it mean to democrats if Donald Trump is more popular than the GOP, and Bernie more popular than anyone?

[evanrick]

So we get a lot of people accusing others of seeing things through a conservative lens, but how can that be true if people like Donald Trump and Bernie sanders are more popular than their respective parties?

Maybe its more true that apologists within the democratic and republican party are more partisan and ideologically 'locked' in their views and cannot see any political debate as something other than a violation of their safe space, or partisan rhetoric that has no basis in truth, seeking to ignore the truth that these polls bear out.

While the democratic party as a whole is viewed unfavorably, Bernie Sanders is viewed 39% more favorably than Hillary Clinton. And while the republican party is viewed even more unfavorably, Donald Trump is still seen in a move favorable lens than the republican establishment.

It should come as no surprise that those same apologists find convenience in pro-establishment rhetoric from the other side, instead of relying on what a majority of Americans have already come to conclude, that democratic and republican insiders, opposed to Sanders and opposed to Trump are the very reason why Hillary Clinton and Trump are viewed so unfavorably, they are their own worst enemy.

Bernie's vast appeal has shown this distinction to be true, unfortunately for the insiders and apologists, they are relegated to fighting to the same stalemate after stalemate that has led to democrats failing to build a lasting coalition, instead has created the situation we are in, where the candidate democrats are now offering that only unapologetically 'moderate' positions on issues of war, economics, and ethics will be our saving cause.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/cnn-24723

 

[opinterph]

What does it mean to democrats if Donald Trump is more popular than the GOP, and Bernie more popular than anyone?

To the extent that candidate popularity is a factor in choosing elected officials, the matter is usually resolved at the ballot box. Participating in a poll helps to share your opinion; however, it is likely that some people who respond favorably to the question of popularity do not use that element as the primary basis for their decision when casting actual vote.

 

[evanrick]

To the extent that candidate popularity is a factor in choosing elected officials, the matter is usually resolved at the ballot box. Participating in a poll helps to share your opinion; however, it is likely that some people who respond favorably to the question of popularity do not use that element as the primary basis for their decision when casting actual vote.

It goes without saying. Hillary did refer to republicans as 'the enemy'. When you see half of Americans as 'the enemy' it would explain Clintons vast deficits on favorability and trust and the resulting 'ideological' battle that amounted to democrats losing every mid term election since 2006.

 

[TX-Beau]

Bernie lost, get over it.

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I guess he was less popular than Hilary when it really mattered.

 

[evanrick]

Bernie lost, get over it.

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I guess he was less popular than Hilary when it really mattered.

within the establishment that is true, Hillary has benefited from the system that rewards calling republicans 'the enemy' and democrats resulting mid-term defeats since 2006. i guess if all you care about is one branch of government, which is all the democrats control, its a 'good' strategy. its also a good strategy to systematically lose the vast majority of state legislatures, governorship, senate seats, and congressional districts. since that seems to be democrats goal, then picking Hillary fits into that strategy.

 

[TX-Beau]

within the establishment that is true, Hillary has benefited from the system that rewards calling republicans 'the enemy' and democrats resulting mid-term defeats since 2006. i guess if all you care about is one branch of government, which is all the democrats control, its a 'good' strategy. its also a good strategy to systematically lose the vast majority of state legislatures, governorship, senate seats, and congressional districts. since that seems to be democrats goal, then picking Hillary fits into that strategy.

The "establishment" oh you mean the Democratic party with whom he was less popular, or was it the people who voted for Hilary with whom he was less popular? The delegates of both stripes, seems he was less popular with just about everyone!

You may insert your crazy conspiracy theory now.

 

[evanrick]

The "establishment" oh you mean the Democratic party with whom he was less popular, or was it the people who voted for Hilary with whom he was less popular? The delegates of both stripes, seems he was less popular with just about everyone!

You may insert your crazy conspiracy theory now.

i don't have a "theory" just the fact that partisan democrats seem to be experts at squandering any chance they had to remain relevant. look at where democrats are now compared to when Bush was in office, they are weaker by every measure. the hillary people who pursue the 'one branch' strategy because its the lowest hanging fruit, that's not a recipe for a sustainable progressive agenda.

 

[TX-Beau]

Bullshit you just pushed one in that other thread. OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROLIFERATION OF FIREARMS AND IT'S HILLARY'S FAULT!!! Did I get that right?

Go for it, it's a Tuesday night and I have nothing better to do.

 

[evanrick]

Bullshit you just pushed one in that other thread. OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROLIFERATION OF FIREARMS AND IT'S HILLARY'S FAULT!!! Did I get that right?

Go for it, it's a Tuesday night and I have nothing better to do.

i never mentioned it was Hillary's or Obama's fault, i just said that democrats have no right to complain about the lack of gun regulation any more than republicans have a right to complain about Obamacare. and blaming trump is just admitting to yourself that democrats couldn't get it done on their own when they had every chance to do so. you cant re-litigate democrats failures to lead in the past, we can only see what democratic politicians failures to lead in he past have led to, and that is a diminished electoral clout at all levels of government.

how would you conclude this "new strategy" of blaming trump, instead of accepting the political responsibility to lead will be any more effective that it has in the past, when its likely just the same partisan rhetoric that led democrats to being decimated politically?

 

[TX-Beau]

i never mentioned it was Hillary's or Obama's fault, i just said that democrats have no right to complain about the lack of gun regulation any more than republicans have a right to complain about Obamacare. and blaming trump is just admitting to yourself that democrats couldn't get it done on their own when they had every chance to do so. you cant re-litigate democrats failures to lead in the past, we can only see what democratic politicians failures to lead in he past have led to, and that is a diminished electoral clout at all levels of government.

how would you conclude this "new strategy" of blaming trump, instead of accepting the political responsibility to lead will be any more effective that it has in the past, when its likely just the same partisan rhetoric that led democrats to being decimated politically?

Sure you did.

 

[evanrick]

Sure you did.

a failure to lead is still a failure to lead. i mean, if all you care about is how to please wall steeet donors, and not the lives of 50 people who were gunned down, then perpetuating the 'gun issue' is right up your alley.

 

[TX-Beau]

I must admire your tenacity, most people stop schilling for the guy who lost.

 

[evanrick]

I must admire your tenacity, most people stop schilling for the guy who lost.

well that is the difference between us, between me and a lot of so-called 'democrats', who just want someone to blame. but at least you can take comfort in knowing that your support for corporate war mongering TPP supporting democrats will in no way shape or form provide lasting safety for those who seek real solutions to the problems in America, or preventing you from support a political ideology that puts ones self ahead of that of their entire community, even if that mean sacrificing innocent lives along the way, be it here in America, in Orlando, or in Iraq, people lives are a means to an end when ones political ambitions are so clearly articulated.

 

[TX-Beau]

The difference between us is so much more profound than that...

 

[offthewall14420]

It means you're a political neophyte or a troll. You should know the correct answers when asking rhetorical questions.

 

[kallipolis]

well that is the difference between us, between me and a lot of so-called 'democrats', who just want someone to blame. but at least you can take comfort in knowing that your support for corporate war mongering TPP supporting democrats will in no way shape or form provide lasting safety for those who seek real solutions to the problems in America, or preventing you from support a political ideology that puts ones self ahead of that of their entire community, even if that mean sacrificing innocent lives along the way, be it here in America, in Orlando, or in Iraq, people lives are a means to an end when ones political ambitions are so clearly articulated.

There is the constitutional process available to all Americans to vote per their conscience, or there is the revolutionary path that would include you taking up arms to change the status quo. Choose one, or the other.

In Medford, I awaked the Captain of the Minute Men; & after that, I alarmed almost every house, till I got to Lexington.
~Paul Revere

 

[rareboy]

well that is the difference between us, between me and a lot of so-called 'democrats', who just want someone to blame. but at least you can take comfort in knowing that your support for corporate war mongering TPP supporting democrats will in no way shape or form provide lasting safety for those who seek real solutions to the problems in America, or preventing you from support a political ideology that puts ones self ahead of that of their entire community, even if that mean sacrificing innocent lives along the way, be it here in America, in Orlando, or in Iraq, people lives are a means to an end when ones political ambitions are so clearly articulated.

It seems that all you are doing is looking for someone to blame.

At some point, an emotionally mature person will accept that their preference for the presidential candidate has lost and move on to look for how they can work with what they've got.

There will be no contested convention.

There will be no deus ex machina.

Not this time.

 

[Rolyo85]

Must be sad when your reality doesn't match the one everyone else lives in.