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What exactly does protesting really do?

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I have a friend who recently told me that she and her girlfriend went to protest in front of a chick-fil-a back when the whole thing was news. I asked her how did it help with our cause? She thought about it for a while and finally said "I don't know".

Let's recap on gay marriage. Every referendum introduced to further gay rights failed. Even the people of California, the most liberal state in the country, passed Prop 8.

The only states that passed equal marriage rights were states that didn't do it via the popular vote route. Most of the time, it was the courts that ruled in our favor. And finally, the US Supreme Court ruled in our favor.

In other words, every effort to further equal rights has been a spectacular failure. Even the liberal inhabitants of California voted against us. The only way we gained equal rights was through the courts.

So, I ask again. What's the point of protesting? Wouldn't it make more sense to put our people in positions of power?
 
Marching against the poll tax was one of the main reasons Thatcher was ousted from power.
 
zombiekiller said:
I have a friend who recently told me that she and her girlfriend went to protest in front of a chick-fil-a back when the whole thing was news. I asked her how did it help with our cause? She thought about it for a while and finally said "I don't know".

Let's recap on gay marriage. Every referendum introduced to further gay rights failed. Even the people of California, the most liberal state in the country, passed Prop 8.

The only states that passed equal marriage rights were states that didn't do it via the popular vote route. Most of the time, it was the courts that ruled in our favor. And finally, the US Supreme Court ruled in our favor.

In other words, every effort to further equal rights has been a spectacular failure. Even the liberal inhabitants of California voted against us. The only way we gained equal rights was through the courts.

So, I ask again. What's the point of protesting? Wouldn't it make more sense to put our people in positions of power?
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ONE. As a general rule, doing something is more productive than doing nothing. But I know some cynics will never understand.

TWO. As far as I know, not every referendum on gay rights failed. The good people of Minnesota voted in 2012 against banning it. On the same day Maine, Maryland and Washington became the first states to legalize same-sex marriage through popular vote. This past year there was Ireland, where it was approved by a whopping 62%. Those Chick-Fil-A protesters played a part in all of this. You didn't.
 
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zombiekiller said:
I have a friend who recently told me that she and her girlfriend went to protest in front of a chick-fil-a back when the whole thing was news. I asked her how did it help with our cause? She thought about it for a while and finally said "I don't know".

Let's recap on gay marriage. Every referendum introduced to further gay rights failed. Even the people of California, the most liberal state in the country, passed Prop 8.

The only states that passed equal marriage rights were states that didn't do it via the popular vote route. Most of the time, it was the courts that ruled in our favor. And finally, the US Supreme Court ruled in our favor.

In other words, every effort to further equal rights has been a spectacular failure. Even the liberal inhabitants of California voted against us. The only way we gained equal rights was through the courts.

So, I ask again. What's the point of protesting? Wouldn't it make more sense to put our people in positions of power?
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It shows that some people are willing to make a public stand.

It did help. It brought the food chain's homophobia into the light and galvanized a lot of people. It showed that homos were willing to stand up for their rights. It helped bring public sentiment and thereby, the sentiment of the court to the side of equal rights.

Years ago, it was the protest marches against the bath house raids in Toronto that helped move the City and the Province toward acceptance of homos and provision of full civil rights.

You should be proud of your friends.
 
zombiekiller said:
So, I ask again. What's the point of protesting? Wouldn't it make more sense to put our people in positions of power?
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It shows there are people who care about it, but as such it's only one utensil in an entire tool kit.

In my own country, the Netherlands, I find that protesting is most effective when repeated often and serves to bring an issue to the attention of the public (example: Zwarte Piet). If a demonstration is about an issue that everyone is well aware of but doesn't consider important (e.g. Putin's visit to The Netherlands a few years back) then it doesn't work at all.

Putting LGBT in positions of power is barely helpful.

Public figures should serve the public interest and/or the political party that they're a member of, otherwise you tend to get those painfully inadequate public figures that are merely shoved forward because of their ethic, gender or religious affiliation and not because of any inherent political qualities they otherwise might have.

We find that lobbying works best, however, our LGBT political activism hardly stops there.
 
If only a few people decided they would not buy the crap food that these homophobes sell. Maybe you should like to go back to the 50's when people were kailed for being gay wake up if you do not want to protest don't. Do not complain when you get treated badly
 
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Washington state passed same sex marriage (by the voters not the courts). There are hardly any protests here (east side). The protests that do take place are on the other side of the Cascades (Seattle, etc).

No Chick-Fil-A here to protest. There is a Hobby Lobby though. I haven't stood there and protested, but did mention to a few people going in about what Hobby Lobby did. They thanked me and headed next door to Michael's.
 
rareboy said:
It shows that some people are willing to make a public stand.

It did help. It brought the food chain's homophobia into the light and galvanized a lot of people. It showed that homos were willing to stand up for their rights. It helped bring public sentiment and thereby, the sentiment of the court to the side of equal rights.

Years ago, it was the protest marches against the bath house raids in Toronto that helped move the City and the Province toward acceptance of homos and provision of full civil rights.

You should be proud of your friends.
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Yeah, and it also brought out all the crazies to support that chain. Last I looked, that chain is more profitable than ever.
 
You don't get it. Who cares if the fundamentalists decided they wanted to buy more chicken? It wasn't about ruining the company.

It shone spotlight on the secretive giving by corporations and individuals to prevent homo marriage in California and other states.

In the end, they lost. Public pressure and changing attitudes, supported by a determined and openly homo community to have the right to marry and enjoy all the same legal benefits won the day.

I have no intention of ever eating there, but I don't care if others do.

The chicken must taste very bitter.
 
Not having Chick-fi-la was pretty easy not to have before their homophobe shit anyway, food is terrible.
 
zombiekiller said:
What's the point of protesting? Wouldn't it make more sense to put our people in positions of power?
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One of the roads to power is to raise a constituency for one's cause. Of course, you presume democracy, but that is no always the case.



As with Martin Luther, sometimes just one man makes a marked difference in the public mind.
 
It helps because it puts an issue or problem in the spotlight so people can be aware of the problem... and wake up if they are so inclined..

It can also have the opposite effect. I will go to my grave believing that Fred Phelps helped us more than any other single entity by shocking people with their hatred ..and gaining sympathy for our cause because of him. I lit candles for the fucker when he was on his deathbed...

Just look at the recent Cecil the Lion protest....and it has made a difference....

Cesar Chavez helped publicize the horrible treatment of the farmworkers back in the 1960s and that made a huge difference at the time....

http://www.chavezfoundation.org/_page.php?code=001016000000000....
 
eastofeden said:
It helps because it puts an issue or problem in the spotlight so people can be aware of the problem... and wake up if they are so inclined..

It can also have the opposite effect. I will go to my grave believing that Fred Phelps helped us more than any other single entity by shocking people with their hatred ..and gaining sympathy for our cause because of him. I lit candles for the fucker when he was on his deathbed...

Just look at the recent Cecil the Lion protest....and it has made a difference....

Cesar Chavez helped publicize the horrible treatment of the farmworkers back in the 1960s and that made a huge difference at the time....

http://www.chavezfoundation.org/_page.php?code=001016000000000....
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Speaking of Fred Phelps, a couple years ago I became convinced that he was really all for our rights all this time.

Back during the civil rights era, he was a civil rights lawyer and would voluntarily bail out black people who were jailed during the protests and protect them. He became so frustrated by the inherently racist system that he lost his temper in court one day and they suspended his license.

He went away for a while and when he came back into the public eye he was now the anti-gay image that we know of. I've become convinced that he foresaw the next civil rights movement (for the lgbt community) and decided to take a different approach by shocking people into seeing the true nature of hate.

Remember that all the other christian preachers have been preaching essentially the same message of hate for gay people. They just use more politically correct terms. Fred Phelps simply took out the sugar coat and showed people the hate that resided inside.

Of course, in order for his scheme to work, he needed to make it as genuine as possible. Out of his family, I think his daughter Shirley or whatever the hell her name is is the only person other than himself who know about this. In other words, he sacrificed his family and made them into the most hated family in America to help further our cause.
 
eastofeden said:
It helps because it puts an issue or problem in the spotlight so people can be aware of the problem... and wake up if they are so inclined..

It can also have the opposite effect. I will go to my grave believing that Fred Phelps helped us more than any other single entity by shocking people with their hatred ..and gaining sympathy for our cause because of him. I lit candles for the fucker when he was on his deathbed...

Just look at the recent Cecil the Lion protest....and it has made a difference....

Cesar Chavez helped publicize the horrible treatment of the farmworkers back in the 1960s and that made a huge difference at the time....

http://www.chavezfoundation.org/_page.php?code=001016000000000....
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Workers who stood up for themselves and it actually had an effect. How long ago must that have been?
 
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