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belamo said:
Now, about your BBC link, each point, like the whole package, is like a crappy product that is marketed under a nice appearance or through bait-samples, covering the real nastiness of the whole: like in the cases of the bubble burst, or the euro crisis, and like everything that is yet to come next to the front page of the news, saying all that now is generally considered resentful, grumbling nonsense: until one day the general tone passes from ultimate optimism, despite the perceived "deficiencies", to utter, darkest desenchantment and resentment, and those formerly perceived as prophets of doom will, once Doomsday arrives will then be considered lukewarm, insensitive bystanders.
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The crisis is not only European or is it?
I had the idea it was more of a global thing... you know... subprimes... China's yuan...
Eventually I suppose EU will have benefited some countries or (economic) classes of people, and failed others and that opinions about it will differ depending on where one belongs...

It's only 55years old, there IS room for improvement, when it's inhabitants realize the need for thinking globally first, locally second... or at least doesn't make them opponents...
 
Nishin said:
The crisis is not only European or is it?
I had the idea it was more of a global thing... you know... subprimes... China's yuan...
Eventually I suppose EU will have benefited some countries or (economic) classes of people, and failed others and that opinions about it will differ depending on where one belongs...

It's only 55years old, there IS room for improvement, when it's inhabitants realize the need for thinking globally first, locally second... or at least doesn't make them opponents...
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The crisis is the systemic crisis of an expansive period, and it is not "only European", since it is a global system, but it IS European-based, therefore being a global crisis as being built on the Western world, which is European-based (the "new Europe" is the USA, by that meaning not that the USA is Europe, but that that nation takes it where Europe left it before being embalmed). China, Russia or that part of the Islamic world that we know is thriving under the impulse giving by the Western world and, like the Weestern world itself without the political and economical structures that support it, will fall back to the previous "natural" backward state, with no democracy and no capitalism... and no civil liberties arising from sophisticated, cosmopolitan urban societies.

During the past millennium there has been a movement of social and economical expansion based on capitalism and democracy, but even the sloppiest analysis will show that it is being used to be reverted to the previous state of oligarchy... that is more "naturally" (for those who are fond of the "natural" and "more universal" state of things) found outside the Western world in the past five to ten centuries.

The EU is not 55 years old: it is as old as Europe itself. You are taking the trademark and the managing system for the actual product.
 
belamo said:
The crisis is the systemic crisis of an expansive period, and it is not "only European", since it is a global system, but it IS European-based, therefore being a global crisis as being built on the Western world, which is European-based (the "new Europe" is the USA, by that meaning not that the USA is Europe, but that that nation takes it where Europe left it before being embalmed). China, Russia or that part of the Islamic world that we know is thriving under the impulse giving by the Western world and, like the Weestern world itself without the political and economical structures that support it, will fall back to the previous "natural" backward state, with no democracy and no capitalism... and no civil liberties arising from sophisticated, cosmopolitan urban societies.
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This is an interesting point of view... but I guess we'll just have to wait and see, civilisations come and go, so why not have them go in style with nice silk wrappings and rose scented embalming... :)

belamo said:
During the past millennium there has been a movement of social and economical expansion based on capitalism and democracy, but even the sloppiest analysis will show that it is being used to be reverted to the previous state of oligarchy... that is more "naturally" (for those who are fond of the "natural" and "more universal" state of things) found outside the Western world in the past five to ten centuries.

The EU is not 55 years old: it is as old as Europe itself. You are taking the trademark and the managing system for the actual product.
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Well Human is a social animal... that comes with hierarchy, UE or not... let's enjoy the benefits of social and economical expansions, or even try and advance them while we can?
 
JohannBessler said:
The thing is, Nishin, the countries that have experienced the worst pain cannot easily dig themselves out of the troubles.

Let's take Greece and Spain, for instance. Under the old system, the value of the drachma and peseta (sp?) could drop. This would enable Greek and Spanish exports to become cheap again, which would boost their industries, and so on.

As it stands today, the Euro works like a noose around their necks. Greece and Spain face long, grueling recoveries.

Heaven knows, I hope that I am wrong about this.
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You're talking about technical details of the current system while I'm envisioning a larger picture...
China devaluates its money for cheap exports, USA prints more and more dollars whose value is indexed on ... stardust or something...
Certainly all US states are not equal in wealth and the poorest states are supported by the richest state's wealth?
When the EU can do that and reduce its dependence (energy wise) from volatile markets it will have reached its goal and upgraded its inhabitants prospects for better lives.
 
I learned-ed today that cranberries taste wonderful with the right sweetening....
 
also that the war on drugs like the war on poverty in america, basically every war that america has fought domestically has been a FAILURE.
 
Nope we fought a war on polio and won.... and Al gore invented the internets and that has helped defeat illiteracy.... RIF baby RIF....
 
JayHawk said:
Nope we fought a war on polio and won.... and Al gore invented the internets and that has helped defeat illiteracy.... RIF baby RIF....
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al gore didn't invent the internet. :confused: yeah, we won the war against polio but nobody cares about polio. it's about that hiv now. you think they'll ever put out the cure to hiv/aids in our lifetimes?
 
JohannBessler said:
RJ, that rumor started with a misstatement on the part of Al Gore.

He didn't invent the Internet, per se; the military created it in the 1960s through a top-secret framework called ARPANET, if I recall correctly.

But Al Gore did indeed speak, before anyone else, about the need to develop the Information Superhighway. Before he spoke, no other public figure had paid much attention to it. Looking back at it, he made his spiel at just the right time. Shortly thereafter (1994 or so) the Internet spread like a wildfire, becoming the phenomenon that we all know and love today.
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well, al gore inventing the internet itself sounds too good to be true. he doesn't seem that smart. poor al gore.

didn't know the internet was around that long. so this technology like wifi and all probably has been aroundsince the 60s. that's scary.
 
^ ^I learnt right now that Jethro is alive and well and living on JUB.
 
I realised today that the guy I have been seeing has turkey skin hands :eek:
 
Custard can taste just like Pumkin Pie!!!

Pumpkin Pie Twister...
Vanilla custard blended with a slice of pumpkin pie topped with whipped cream and dash of cinnamon..
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I also learned I am fat kid inside....
 
belamo said:
No wonder you did not answer: I had forgot to post..: was that a metaphor?
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No, a literal observation. I made note of it so I'll remember not to add much sugar next time. I had probably learnt it before but forgotten, as with so many other things.

l can't think what it could be a metaphor for.
 
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