What is internalized homophobia?

[Durango95]

[Edited to keep the thread no flame.]

I make no apologies for my life either.

 

[Durango95]

O I'll respond to the original query of the post now. Internalized homophobia is a nonsensical term coined by an elitist psychologist that had from all accounts severe dissociative issues with his father. It is the weapon of choice for the gay establishment, whatever that is, to cudgel all those that do not walk goosestep behind them.

 

[TX-Beau]

That's just burying your head in the sand. Who is the "gay establishment?"

 

[Scealle]

Really hope things gets better with you. You can try adding conversations about gay topics and see how he react. I always try that last time when I like the guy. Some str8 guys may not necessarily get grossed out because they are really open minded.

 

[Rolyo85]

O I'll respond to the original query of the post now. Internalized homophobia is a nonsensical term coined by an elitist psychologist that had from all accounts severe dissociative issues with his father. It is the weapon of choice for the gay establishment, whatever that is, to cudgel all those that do not walk goosestep behind them.

I can't respond without flaming or turning this into an argument. So I'll just say that I couldn't possibly disagree more and find this to be an offensive trivialization of a serious problem that has plagued and slowed down our community since its conception...

 

[bankside]

Internalised homophobia is the delusion that the pope might be right about us.

 

[Durango95]

While I can't deny that I share your views on many levels, I think you and Rolyo should balance each other out.
You both seem to have valid points that should be inspected closely.

You are right on the level that there are certain establshments and intitutions that use gay people as tools to represent themselves as liberators while they do something shady in the background, but it is also true turning Internalized homophobia into a triviality can be considered as overlooking a problem.

I do agree. I always have to take an extreme position because I am constantly attacked for not carrying the "party" line. My life experience is just as valid as anyone else. It has lead me to this point. I am just not going to engage these people any more. It is an exercise in futility.

I didn't bring my flamethrower until someone else on here did it first. The thing that is puzzling to me is why it was done in the first place. I was responding to you directly.

You are correct in your assessment. There is something shady going on. I'm probably much older than you. I have seen a change in the "gay community" over the years and not for the better. My point was the whole concept of internalized homophobia is being used to herd gays into a cohesive faction without any descent.

Political ideology doesn't tolerate diversity very well. Ironic is it not. The very ones paying lip service to diversity doesn't really want it. The very "community" that says it wants acceptance and tolerance is very intolerant. It is the bait and switch. One thing about tolerance. If it is a one way street it is not tolerance. It is totalitarianism.

I hope I have been of some help. I was not trying to start anything. I just identified with a lot you said. I do not hold myself up as the paragon of perfection when it comes to being gay. I've made a lot of mistakes. I've done the best I can with the hand I was dealt. I've failed. I've overcome. I am not a victim. I'm not a hero. I'm just a guy trying to make it through.

Take my advise and be yourself. No one else can do it better than you...no one.

 

[Rolyo85]

Again, I cannot let this just stand there. I have NEVER been a witness to, or heard of internalized homophobia being used as a tool to prod someone "back into the herd", for political, social or whatever gains. I don't even know how this would be possible, and I am not sure that the term is even understood correctly for such a claim to be made.

 

[Rolyo85]

Yeah, that's entirely too vague, sorry. Internalized homophobia is a psychological issue. Whether something is a symptom of it or not, it's not a political tool or some fiction made up to control the masses, that's just outrageous.

 

[Seasoned]

If this topic continues to be sidetracked my only option will be to close it.

Internalized homophobia has to do with feelings of self. How those feelings manifest themselves can be directed at self or others. Any gay person can be accused of internalized homophobia, but it's the person in question who's life is affected. It's no longer "internalized" if directed at others.

It's almost impossible given our world's universal heterosexism for a gay person not to have or have had elements of internalized homophobia. As far as someone looking at my behavior, not liking it and then claiming that I act that way because of internalized homophobia, I have a couple of choices. I can examine the basis of my behavior or I can tell the accusing person to go fuck himself.

Here's a simple defintion.


internalized homophobia

Type: Term
Definitions:
1. the type of homophobia occurring in a homosexual person, often associated with self-loathing, self-censure, and self-censorship.