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What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

Alnitak said:
Coalition to Protect Marriage is not a party though. Two of the three clerks are still parties, which is the situation also in Virginia now represented by the ADF and some private lawyer, who by the way sounds a lot nicer than the ADF trash. Anyway, it is up to the clerks now (speaking in future tense) with the full realization that an appeal could trigger marriage equality in every state and territory in the country.
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It seems to me to be different though, since in Nevada they're county clerks vs in Virginia where they're constitutional clerks. County clerks do not represent the state as a whole from my understanding.
 
scream4ever said:
It seems to me to be different though, since in Nevada they're county clerks vs in Virginia where they're constitutional clerks. County clerks do not represent the state as a whole from my understanding.
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We will find out soon enough. Yet another learning experience.
 
It's also interesting how news sources aren't brining up the other 2 clerks, and are simply saying the lone defendant is the Coalition for Marriage.
 
scream4ever said:
It's also interesting how news sources aren't brining up the other 2 clerks, and are simply saying the lone defendant is the Coalition for Marriage.
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News sources are increasingly unreliable as the pressure to produce a lot of low quality news increases and as the legal discussion becomes recondite. Your average journalist is NOT a reliable source on this issue.
 
scream4ever said:
It seems to me to be different though, since in Nevada they're county clerks vs in Virginia where they're constitutional clerks. County clerks do not represent the state as a whole from my understanding.
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It's a fine line, and can come down to which specific duty they're performing that's involved. Some things the county clerks here do are as effective representatives of the state, while most are for the county.

As Alnitak said, another learning experience.
 
Gay marriage is coming!

RUN FOR IT

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Alnitak said:
Kentucky ban on gay marriages from other states struck down by federal judge



Judge John G. Heyburn II was appointed to the federal bench by George H.W. Bush on the recommendation of Mitch McConnell.
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Those dern librual judges...oh wait.

On a serious note, this guy smacks down the arguments on this ban and good.
Keep in mind all this ruling would do is acknowledge gay marriages performed elsewhere but it's a start.
This ruling today made clear you can't nullify a valid marriage elsewhere simply because of religious reasons or personal dislike, which is what the makers of this ban made clear this was all about in 2004.
 
One more thing, the judge didn't stay his ruling so as of today, gay and lesbian couples have valid marriages if they are performed elsewhere.
 
Ninja108 said:
One more thing, the judge didn't stay his ruling so as of today, gay and lesbian couples have valid marriages if they are performed elsewhere.
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It appears that the date of when the ruling will go into effect will be determined with another trial, so as of now it is stayed. However, it's unlikely to be appealed since the governor and attorney general are Democrats.
 
Two new marriage recognition lawsuits were filed in Missouri and Alabama. One was filed by the ACLU, the other by the SPLC, respectively. I am only following the freedom to marry lawsuits, of which there are 28 by my most recent research. Recognition, or partial recognition, is not equality.
 
Ninja108 said:
Those dern librual judges...oh wait.

On a serious note, this guy smacks down the arguments on this ban and good.
Keep in mind all this ruling would do is acknowledge gay marriages performed elsewhere but it's a start.
This ruling today made clear you can't nullify a valid marriage elsewhere simply because of religious reasons or personal dislike, which is what the makers of this ban made clear this was all about in 2004.
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And they wanted it banned because they know that the moment people married elsewhere who move to the state have to be treated the same as people married in the state, then people in the state who aren't allowed to have the same kind of marriage will bring suit for equality . . . .
 
I'm sure everyone saw the news on Virginia. That case now moves on to appeal, but we're not done yet. Fifteen other states are still working their way through civil procedure. The next big thing scheduled to happen will be Michigan's trial on the 25th, and there will be a thread on that as it gets closer.
 
Alnitak said:
I'm sure everyone saw the news on Virginia. That case now moves on to appeal, but we're not done yet. Fifteen other states are still working their way through civil procedure. The next big thing scheduled to happen will be Michigan's trial on the 25th, and there will be a thread on that as it gets closer.
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At some point Oregon will be hearing a lawsuit as well. That one will be a no brainer in light of Nevada not defending their lawsuit anymore.
 
Are we allowed to mention non-US issues in this thread?

If so, I draw your attention to the stance of the Church of England which, having been specifically exempted from performing gay marriages by last year's legislation, is now also refusing blessings for gay couples. The church has also banned its own clergy from contracting same-sex marriages. Ridiculously, it allows them to enter into Civil Partnerships as long as they remain celibate. As if!

To misquote Shakespeare, a plague on all your houses!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26206192
 
It appears the recent federal decisions are having a chilling effect of Kansas anti-gay legislation:

Kansas Republican leaders get cold feet over 'anti-gay' bill [The Guardian]

Republican leaders in the Kansas state senate are balking at a new bill that would allow religious individuals and groups to openly shun gay and lesbian couples without fear of legal retribution.
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Kansas already has an anti-gay marriage law.
 
Ninja108 said:
At some point Oregon will be hearing a lawsuit as well. That one will be a no brainer in light of Nevada not defending their lawsuit anymore.
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That's going to be interesting because the appeal in Sevcik will be heard very soon, maybe around the same time as the oral arguments in Oregon on 4/23, setting up opinions at the same time from both.

palbert said:
It appears the recent federal decisions are having a chilling effect of Kansas anti-gay legislation:



Kansas already has an anti-gay marriage law.
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Public accommodation discrimination is absolutely legal in 29 states, a national embarrassment, so the bill would essentially just nullify any local ordinances in these states as Tennessee has done with HB600
 
chrisrobin said:
The "house of cards" continues to fall. :rb:
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I can see how this string will turn into a bandwagon, especially after Judge Wright Allen's opinion that reads like a civil rights sermon. I just can't see a judge following that act.
 
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