What is your impression of immigrants?

[aaggii]

Yes, I´m sure that if it wasn´t for them, you´d have 5 euros more in your pocket. Let´s all forget there is a war in which if you´re not ¨Muslim enough¨ you still get killed. Let´s forget that they weren´t homeless people with no education, but actual professors and doctors and anything else. I´m sure it´s all a cost, with no gain whatsoever.

/sarcasm, just in case.

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Would that they only caused 0.05% of the problems or cost 0.05% of the money.

This is so incredibly stupid, that I don´t even know where to begin.

 

[Kabluey]

My impression?

Often a little bit stranded, and struggling to make social connections. Some of the more desirable neighbourhoods for new immigrants are california-style suburbs with not a whole lot of amenities or social areas suitable for meeting people.

Real estate agents tend to target specific immigrant groups for some new and isolated suburbs, leading to pleasant ghettos.
This can make meeting locals intimidating and things like language barriers a problem, especially for older immigrants. Immigration is definitely harder for shy or proud people.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Yes, I´m sure that if it wasn´t for them, you´d have 5 euros more in your pocket. Let´s all forget there is a war in which if you´re not ¨Muslim enough¨ you still get killed. Let´s forget that they weren´t homeless people with no education, but actual professors and doctors and anything else. I´m sure it´s all a cost, with no gain whatsoever.

We've experienced a similar 'refugee' situation in the nineties and we're still dealing with the fall-out twenty years later. The Netherlands has no real shortage of highly educated employees, but if we had our regular legal immigration or visa system would be quite sufficient to solve the problem.

This is so incredibly stupid, that I don´t even know where to begin.

It's not nearly as stupid or low as to suggest we bypass all our immigration and visa legislation in favor of a bunch of dangerous criminals.

 

[Sausy]

My father and grandparents were immigrants, essentially here in the US we're a nation of immigrants... unlike Europe though which often struggles(or refuses) to absorb its immigrants(which has often led to deep social/economic division, though some immigrants have also failed to accommodate as well) for all our faults immigrants much more easily become Americans. For all the anti US bashing we get here, it's still the dream of millions worldwide to become Americans. I like a multiethnic, truly diverse America... unlike some Americans I don't bemoan our less European driven demographics. A big problem now is however how expensive it is to become naturalized citizens, documents that used to be of minimal cost have exploded into hundreds if not more dollars to acquire and go through. We need immigrants and their boundless energy, we can't afford to stagnate in a world economy that precariously balances on the health of emerging nations like China.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

My father and grandparents were immigrants, essentially here in the US we're a nation of immigrants... unlike Europe though which often struggles(or refuses) to absorb its immigrants(which has often led to deep social/economic division, though some immigrants have also failed to accommodate as well) for all our faults immigrants much more easily become Americans. For all the anti US bashing we get here, it's still the dream of millions worldwide to become Americans. I like a multiethnic, truly diverse America... unlike some Americans I don't bemoan our less European driven demographics. A big problem now is however how expensive it is to become naturalized citizens, documents that used to be of minimal cost have exploded into hundreds if not more dollars to acquire and go through. We need immigrants and their boundless energy, we can't afford to stagnate in a world economy that precariously balances on the health of emerging nations like China.

American immigrants need to fit American requirements and also need to draw their own carts.
Most western European nations never bothered to adequately outline such requirements in legislation and boy are we paying for it now.

 

[kallipolis]

This is an educational article on Blacks, and Latinos living in the United States that helps the reader appreciate that the land of the free is not the Utopia that they would have us believe....for those whose skin pigmentation matters.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...igration-black-americans-latinos-donald-trump

I quote:

The need for political unity between African-Americans and Latinos is compelling, not least because the futures of African-Americas and Latinos are inextricably linked. We often live in close proximity to one another and both struggle with issues like mass incarceration, racial profiling, police brutality, educational achievement gaps, health disparities, poverty, food deserts and housing discrimination.

 

[Sausy]

^ I NEVER said it was perfect, but don't you Europeans of all people,start lording yourselves above us. And the fact is to paint only the bleak picture portrays a false picture, a skewed one to be certain. And don't go off the topic... if you want to rant start one germane to your post.

 

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[aaggii]

We've experienced a similar 'refugee' situation in the nineties and we're still dealing with the fall-out twenty years later. The Netherlands has no real shortage of highly educated employees, but if we had our regular legal immigration or visa system would be quite sufficient to solve the problem.

It's not nearly as stupid or low as to suggest we bypass all our immigration and visa legislation in favor of a bunch of dangerous criminals.

This one is not at all similar to the one on the 90s. Also, I´m glad you refer to the refugees as criminals, this says a lot about you. If after they come here, they start having criminal activities, then yes, send them somewhere else, but you can´t tell someone not to come because ¨what if¨. Apparently, Germany can take in 500.000 persons A YEAR. Their economy is that good. The same goes with most first world countries. Hell, even Romania accepted refugees and that´s one of the poorest European countries (malnutrition and such). Do you really want to tell me that if affects us so much economically?

Your problem is not thatthe EU population is growing 0.05%, from what I can tell, but that they´re immigrants. I wish they´d come here and in the same time people like you would just go somewhere else.

 

[aaggii]

^ I NEVER said it was perfect, but don't you Europeans of all people,start lording yourselves above us. And the fact is to paint only the bleak picture portrays a false picture, a skewed one to be certain. And don't go off the topic... if you want to rant start one germane to your post.

I assume you talk about Northern United States? You know, like West Europe where you have all kinds everywhere (and I love it, the cultural differences here hit me like a drug )

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

This one is not at all similar to the one on the 90s. Also, I´m glad you refer to the refugees as criminals, this says a lot about you.

Yes, it says I understand the legal system.

They broke the immigration laws of at least four different countries before they ever got to Frau Merkel. Also, they paid people traffickers to get them there which I'm also fairly sure is illegal. Therefore they're criminals even if they never commit another crime after they arrive.

If after they come here, they start having criminal activities, then yes, send them somewhere else, but you can´t tell someone not to come because ¨what if¨.

The European nations have absolutely no qualms about refusing visas or citizenship to people from outside of the EU that might prove to be a liability. Why should it be different for people from Syria?

Apparently, Germany can take in 500.000 persons A YEAR. Their economy is that good. The same goes with most first world countries. Hell, even Romania accepted refugees and that´s one of the poorest European countries (malnutrition and such). Do you really want to tell me that if affects us so much economically?

Nobody's economy is that good.

Your problem is not thatthe EU population is growing 0.05%, from what I can tell, but that they´re immigrants.

They're illegal immigrants.

I wish they´d come here and in the same time people like you would just go somewhere else.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[aaggii]

Yes, it says I understand the legal system.

It says you´re being racist against people who do nothing else than leave their HOMES because of a war.

They broke the immigration laws of at least four different countries before they ever got to Frau Merkel. Also, they paid people traffickers to get them there which I'm also fairly sure is illegal. Therefore they're criminals even if they never commit another crime after they arrive.

Hungary´s laws? Where the government is extreme right and the opposition is another extreme right party? Yeah, sure.

They should obey the law that goes against them as humans. It always ended up well. /sarcasm

The European nations have absolutely no qualms about refusing visas or citizenship to people from outside of the EU that might prove to be a liability. Why should it be different for people from Syria?

Might prove or actually prove? Because there is a big difference between what happened in the past and what happens now, this is not an every day situation. Did you see the news about the war not very far from here? You know, where people die? ISIS sounds familiar?

Nobody's economy is that good.

Take a look at Northern Europe. Why do you think they fucked over every East&South country?

They're illegal immigrants.

Nobody is illegal. The European Union has clear laws when it comes to immigrants coming from war zones, the problem is that most countries, especially Hungary, are going against it. You know, closing the borders, treating the immigrants like animals etc. Put on a News channel and if that doesn´t make you sick, then you should take a look at yourself.

Be careful what you wish for.

Racists out? I´m all for it.

Imagine that it was a reverse situation, where you are forced to go somewhere else or you get killed and no one wants you, regardless of how a good and educated person you are. I bet you´d agree with me in that case.

Merkel and co didn´t say ANYTHING when Spain and Italy were asking for help because of all the Africans that crossed the border illegally. Now, it´s suddently a problem. Give me a break.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

It says you´re being racist against people who do nothing else than leave their HOMES because of a war.

I don't what to leave my HOME because someone who has no business there, nor any legal right to live in my country.

Hungary´s laws? Where the government is extreme right and the opposition is another extreme right party? Yeah, sure.

They should obey the law that goes against them as humans. It always ended up well. /sarcasm

If you don't respect a nation's laws, why should that nation -or its citizens- respect you?

Might prove or actually prove? Because there is a big difference between what happened in the past and what happens now, this is not an every day situation. Did you see the news about the war not very far from here? You know, where people die? ISIS sounds familiar?

We had dodgy lying illegal and hostile immigrants become citizens before and no one involved was made to answer for it. This time around we should see to it we don't make the same mistake again.

Take a look at Northern Europe. Why do you think they fucked over every East&South country?

I don't think the economy works that way.

Nobody is illegal. The European Union has clear laws when it comes to immigrants coming from war zones, the problem is that most countries, especially Hungary, are going against it. You know, closing the borders, treating the immigrants like animals etc. Put on a News channel and if that doesn´t make you sick, then you should take a look at yourself.

I think they signed treaties that in case of war, refugees have the right to travel to the nearest safe country. I'm pretty sure traveling across Europe to the country with the best social benefit system is not part of the deal.

Imagine that it was a reverse situation, where you are forced to go somewhere else or you get killed and no one wants you, regardless of how a good and educated person you are. I bet you´d agree with me in that case.

If I were forced to leave my country I'd be very law abiding, useful and well behaved. I wouldn't pay criminals to take me where I'm not wanted to people that I hated just because I thought I could get more money that way.

 

[aaggii]

I don't what to leave my HOME because someone who has no business there, nor any legal right to live in my country.

No one will make you leave your home, don´t worry. Besides, if an immigrant who knows no one, has no money or documents and has no studies can take your work, maybe you´re not that good at it in the first place.

If you don't respect a nation's laws, why should that nation -or its citizens- respect you?

Dunno, ask Hitler, for example. You know, if a nation kills gay people, why don´t they stop being gay? I have a tone of those. The US had a law not long ago where they made black people stay in their place, away from white people. I´m sure they didn´t like it. They should just have simply left, huh?

We had dodgy lying illegal and hostile immigrants become citizens before and no one involved was made to answer for it. This time around we should see to it we don't make the same mistake again.

And not letting in (once AGAIN) people who run for their lives, leaving EVERYTHING behind is the answer. I can´t wait to see their doctors having to clean toilets to earn a buck.

I don't think the economy works that way.

Yeah, Switzerlands´ economy has absolutely nothing to do with it being a tax haven. Also, what Merkel did to other countries because of the recession either.

I think they signed treaties that in case of war, refugees have the right to travel to the nearest safe country. I'm pretty sure traveling across Europe to the country with the best social benefit system is not part of the deal.

Tell me again, why did you change countries? For a better life, right? When the Nazis attacked, why did some folks go to the US, then? The nearest safe countries are not safe enough for them. Did you take a look at how Turkey is doing, for example? We´re the European Union, it´s fair that the richest countries take the most refugees. Beyond the economy, we´re talking about lives, just like yours and mine. Does it really matter they have a different color?

If I were forced to leave my country I'd be very law abiding, useful and well behaved. I wouldn't pay criminals to take me where I'm not wanted to people that I hated just because I thought I could get more money that way.

I don´t even know where to start on this one. It´s easy to say ¨I´d do this and that¨ when you look at a situation from the outside. It´s absolutely the same as when Africans came to Spain illegally: they pay people to bring them here because they can´t do it in any other way; the government doesn´t want them here. If you would be forced to leave your country, hell, even the continent, no one would make it easy for you. When they lie to you regarding your destination, you would stop being so well behaved as you say you´d be. If they would laugh at you while throwing sandwiches like you were a dog, just like Hungary does with them, you wouldn´t be so law abiding either. When the cops would hit you for fun, you wouldn´t be so useful either.

I can´t believe that in 2015 there are still people thinking this way, it makes me sick.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

No one will make you leave your home, don´t worry.

Several LGBTS have left their homes in The Netherlands already because (mainly) (Dutch-)Moroccans bullied them out of their home. It has made national television a couple of times already. The latest case is of a transgender beaten in Amsterdam last May with a piece of wood.

Besides, if an immigrant who knows no one, has no money or documents and has no studies can take your work, maybe you´re not that good at it in the first place.

People don't have jobs because they're good at them. Not in this economy. They take the jobs they can get... and if the employers can find a cheaper worker...

I can´t believe that in 2015 there are still people thinking this way, it makes me sick.

The reason we think this way in Northern Europe, is because most of us have seen this before.
We had guest workers in our nation long before you, as a matter of fact we had Spanish people here decades before you even started with workers from outside of the Iberian Peninsula.

 

[aaggii]

Several LGBTS have left their homes in The Netherlands already because (mainly) (Dutch-)Moroccans bullied them out of their home. It has made national television a couple of times already. The latest case is of a transgender beaten in Amsterdam last May with a piece of wood.

I don´t say they´re all good. There are a lot of South Americans here too that have problems with the law (including hate crimes), but this doesn´t mean that no Latino should ever come to Spain. I already said it, when they act in such a calumnious way, of course, make them go away. But only take out the criminals, not a whole nation or race because of it.

People don't have jobs because they're good at them. Not in this economy.

What? People don´t have jobs because they´re good at it, are you kidding me? I hope you´re smart enough to know that what happens in your own life doesn´t apply to absolutely everyone. A part of the population, yes, but not everyone.

They take the jobs they can get... and if the employers can find a cheaper worker...

This reminds me of when Romanians came to Spain, took shit jobs, got paid less than Spanish people and the latter got pissed about it. 10 years later, they found themselves in the same position as us Romanians, when they went to Germany. The same story, but this time the accuser was the accused.

There is a South Park episode that goes ¨They took err jeebs¨. Go watch it, it will only ask for 20 minutes of your life.

The reason we think this way in Northern Europe, is because most of us have seen this before.
We had guest workers in our nation long before you, as a matter of fact we had Spanish people here decades before you even started with workers from outside of the Iberian Peninsula.

And look how bad you live now, because of those bad, bad immigrants. You think it´s all costs and no profit? I got news for you.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I don´t say they´re all good. There are a lot of South Americans here too that have problems with the law (including hate crimes), but this doesn´t mean that no Latino should ever come to Spain. I already said it, when they act in such a calumnious way, of course, make them go away. But only take out the criminals, not a whole nation or race because of it.

If nobody is illegal, you can't send them away anymore. We're stuck with these people forever because the government were much to easy with giving people citizenship.

It is for reasons like these most people don't want this mistake repeated with the people from Syria.

What? People don´t have jobs because they´re good at it, are you kidding me? I hope you´re smart enough to know that what happens in your own life doesn´t apply to absolutely everyone. A part of the population, yes, but not everyone.

Do you even understand the magnitude the economic crisis we're in?

Of course not everybody is unemployed, but scores of people who were employed before have lost their livelihoods and fierce competition makes getting hired again any time soon extremely unlikely.

The thing about gainful employment is that you still have to be hired into a position by someone and those positions are in short supply.

Do you really think that being optimistic and prepared to do anything for any amount of money is going to solve that... really?

And look how bad you live now, because of those bad, bad immigrants. You think it´s all costs and no profit? I got news for you.

Of course there's profit, but it's not for the whole of society just for a few lousy people to make some quick unsustainable bucks.

Having said this, I'm not against people working here from abroad, especially not from the EU (that was the deal after all wasn't it). I've done it myself in the past. (I should have actually been doing it now but a family member got burnt out at work and we're worrying about her).

 

[nyctopgam]

We are great. Thanks for asking

 

[eddielee]

My opinion as an American: Follow all of the legal steps to enter the country, and don't illegaly jump the border. Illegal immigrants haves cost us a lot of problems.

 

[aaggii]

If nobody is illegal, you can't send them away anymore. We're stuck with these people forever because the government were much to easy with giving people citizenship.

It is for reasons like these most people don't want this mistake repeated with the people from Syria. .

These people? Can you be more racist? Stuck with these people? Do you know what you´re writing here? Do you think your country has a problem with immigrants? Take a look at South Europe, the countries moat close to Africa. Do you want to tell me that our lives will go downhill because of it, because that´s nonsense. This summer, THOUSANDS of Africans came here EACH DAY. They search for a better life, doing what they can and how they know best. No one suffers from it. Not to mention that they must be the most respectful and respected minority here. Guess what, there are still bad folks around them, but no one here blames a whole race or nationality for a bunch of idiots.

Do you even understand the magnitude the economic crisis we're in? .

Of course not everybody is unemployed, but scores of people who were employed before have lost their livelihoods and fierce competition makes getting hired again any time soon extremely unlikely.

The thing about gainful employment is that you still have to be hired into a position by someone and those positions are in short supply..

Do you really think that being optimistic and prepared to do anything for any amount of money is going to solve that... really?.

I think the one who doesn´t get how the economy works right now is you. Which is understandable, you living where you live and not having a clue about South and East Europe. People losing their jobs wasn´t because of the immigrants, but our own millionaires who won´t stop fucking us over. The immigrants coming, even if they have a higher education, that will still bring them the shittiest jobs, because their diplomas most likely are not recognized outside their continent. Have you ever heard stories about East Europeans who were professors or work in the medical system having to go to West Europe to clean rooms and take care of old people? Ever?

The number of immigrants is big, yes, but in proportion to EU´s population is almost nothing. We have the money and places to take them in. Fuck, together with the US, we have the money and equipment to end that war. End the war = immigrants staying where they are. Even kids know that, literally, I´ve seen one on TV saying the same thing.

Of course there's profit, but it's not for the whole of society just for a few lousy people to make some quick unsustainable bucks..

Lousy people, I was wrong, you can still be more racist and no one bats an eye on this forum.You really don´t know how jobs and the economy are related, huh? Don´t worry honey, no one will force you to give a buck for them from your own pocket.

Having said this, I'm not against people working here from abroad, especially not from the EU (that was the deal after all wasn't it). I've done it myself in the past. (I should have actually been doing it now but a family member got burnt out at work and we're worrying about her).

That´s the thing, you´ve done it yourself. If you get the chance to move again for a better life (not to mention, running for your life), you´d probably do it. I guess that you´d be against the ones thinking like you now, if you were in another situation.