What moments in gay culture do you think young gay men should know about?

[JockTalk]

The reason I thought of this thread is because I feel that gay culture or subculture is something rarely learned from families. There are so many defining moments from political to popular and everything in between. The internet makes our history available but only if one knows to look.

What would you like young gay men to know about and see? For me there are two pivotal videos -- both by Madonna:

and

My youth and coming of age was after Stonewall and really began with this very special entertainer.

 

[refujiunderground]

What does that have to do with gay culture or anything about being gay for that matter? Sounds like you yourself don't know what being gay is. Hell, I think a lot of what folks define as being gay culture such as oversexualization where we have companies that literally are taking advantage of this for money like andrew christian is based more on ignorance than actual value.

I notice how young gay guys seem to be ignorant as hell too. Don't think they need to be further led astray for real. That's why the case of hiv and stds are going up. Barebacking is seen as being valued in gay culture.

If anything, I think the AIDS crisis should be a defining moment in gay culture as a message. People act like it's a thing in the past or simply don't care especially now that there's things like Prep and truvada and people thinking it's okay to have unprotected sex with strangers.

 

[vacancy3]

Lol......^

Ima go with the career of Joey stefano

 

[rareboy]

i know right. [STRIKE]rareboy[/STRIKE] refugii is one of those members on here that likes to talk down on people, try to even provoke or bully them around but quick to play the victim card when folks throw his bs back at him. some of these gay dudes are even worse than the homophobes and etc that they look down on because they do the same thing to their peers and think they're contributing something positive.

To the OP.

Yes Madonna's stuff was probably really important in gay culture for a lot of young men.

In the same way that Judy Garland as Dorothy meant so much to so many gay guys who couldn't express themselves or their frustration with having to remain closeted.

But some of the great moments in gay culture?

Staying with Pop culture....

1. An episode of All in the Family in the 70's with the first challenging discussion of homosexuality on TV.

2. Ellen

3. Brokeback Mountain

4. Will and Grace

5. Soap with Billy Crystal as a Gay character.

6. Lance Loud coming out as gay on the first 'reality' show in 1973

7. Paul Lynd on Hollywood Squares

8. Rocky Horror Picture Show

9. La Cage Aux Folles

10. Hairspray

11. Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

12. Orange is the new Black

13. OZ



There are many more moments....but many of these were important because they either validated the notion for a lot of homos that being homo is not only okay, but something to be celebrated and flaunted......

And don't let nayone tell you that you don't understand what being gay is about.

Everyone is gay in their own way.

 

[lambdaboy]

If they do not know what happened or what stonewall was they are toast!

 

[refujiunderground]

i know right. rareboy refugii is one of those members on here that likes to talk down on people, try to even provoke or bully them around but quick to play the victim card when folks throw his bs back at him. some of these gay dudes are even worse than the homophobes and etc that they look down on because they do the same thing to their peers and think they're contributing something positive.

Instead of being bitter and basically proving what other members are saying about you, why don't you try to prove them wrong by not doing the things they accuse you of or at least explain yourself. You're basically carrying over some issue that happened in another thread. You and me do have a history and I remember how you were being a real asshole towards me thinking you were picking me around for no reason other than to make yourself appear to be somebody important. Stop kidding yourself.

 

[rareboy]

If they do not know what happened or what stonewall was they are toast!

I don't think of Stonewall as a cultural moment as much as a political moment.....I went back and forth on whether to include it on my list....

Also:

Maurice and Room With a View were important cultural milestone movies...but only because of...and how could I have left this one off the original list...

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

This documentary is recommended viewing for every homosexual:

 

[rareboy]

Instead of being bitter and basically proving what other members are saying about you, why don't you try to prove them wrong by not doing the things they accuse you of or at least explain yourself. You're basically carrying over some issue that happened in another thread. You and me do have a history and I remember how you were being a real asshole towards me thinking you were picking me around for no reason other than to make yourself appear to be somebody important. Stop kidding yourself.

No. I wasn't picking on you.....but....

You were doing the same thing then as you just did to the OP in this thread. I thought though that you might like to have your own mirror held up to your face.

Now why don't you add to the thread instead of being so nasty to the OP?

 

[dpnice]

As strange as I might find someone thinking Madonna was a cultural gay influence (I am of a much older generation) I can understand the logic behind the original question.

As young men we discover our sexuality undercover so any outward exhibition of it in films, TV or music helps us accept and understand ourselves.

Billy Crystal in Soap was quite influential on me realising that I wasn't on my own as the only gay in the world.

In fact I am certain we come to terms with ourselves via our awakening sexuality as well as seeing it portrayed in the world around us. Subsequently the political battles and medical aspects have very little influence as we accept ourselves, much less influence than Madonna singing Vogue.

 

[rareboy]

Let's try this again.....

I don't think of Stonewall as a cultural moment as much as a political moment.....I went back and forth on whether to include it on my list....

Also:

Maurice and Room With a View were important cultural milestone movies...but only because of...and how could I have left this one off the original list...

And in case the image gets killed again...CABARET......

a gay cultural icon....

 

[gsdx]

From this:

To this:

Rock Hudson, screen idol for decades, died in 1985 from AIDS-related illnesses. He was 60 years old. AIDS was just coming to the public's attention, but nobody paid much heed... until Rock Hudson 'came out' and announced that, not only was he gay, but he had AIDS. He was the first celebrity to die of AIDS.

As Morgan Fairchild put it: ""Rock Hudson's death gave AIDS a face."

Thirty years later and a lot of people still pay little heed, and even fewer even know who Rock Hudson was.

 

[Kabluey]

I wonder whether the gay rights movement would have progressed to the point it has now were it not for the aids crisis.
Would gay rights have progressed faster? Slower? It's hard to read in hindsight, especially not being there.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I wonder whether the gay rights movement would have progressed to the point it has now were it not for the aids crisis.
Would gay rights have progressed faster? Slower? It's hard to read in hindsight, especially not being there.

it might have accelerated the gay rights movement in Western Europe, whereas it might have retarded the gay rights movement in the USA. But then most of it involved people on a different continent where I've only been once in my life whose lives mostly happened before I was even born.

So who knows. Do the Millennials even know there was a Sexual Revolution, once upon a time?

 

[rareboy]

Brideshead Revisited. 1981

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[Orlandude]

I wonder whether the gay rights movement would have progressed to the point it has now were it not for the aids crisis.
Would gay rights have progressed faster? Slower? It's hard to read in hindsight, especially not being there.

[FONT=&quot]I think the advent of AIDS certainly put a spotlight on the gay movement, sadly used to diminish the advancements of the gay movement. Not since the tumultuous days of Anita Bryant and her brand of hatred towards gays, was being gay held to such animosity. Back then, AIDS was considered a gay disease only, to wit, “the gay plague” that far right religious sects used to validate their unbridaled bigotry. A President of the United States, Ronald Reagan, would not even utter the word AIDS or acknowledge it in any productive context for fear of outraging the far right. It turned the “anything goes” mentality of the free-wheeling 70’s upside down. Bath houses were shut down, cruise bars were rendered “unsafe” and condom manufacturerers experienced windfall profits. It was a scary and sad time. But we got through it despite the seemingly endless funerals of friends and even family menbers. Since those dark days there have been remarkable advances up to and including gay marriage laws being passed. For the first time in history, the majority of the United States accepts gay people for who they are. Yes, there is still that far right element still there but now screaming that their “religious liberty” is being violated when, in fact, what they’re really saying is “why is my bigotry not being accepted anymore?”. They can’t stand it. Gays are their last hate target and they don’t want to lose that. They used to target women, nearly defining them as second class citizens. That is now illegal. They used to target people of color, using them to validate their bigotry. THAT is now illegal. All the have left are the gays which is why they are pushing back so hard and setting up idols like Kim Davis in Kentucky. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I believe in the final analysis, AIDS may have actually helped the gay movement in an unexpected way and made liars of those who proclaimed that it was “punishment from God”. It diminished their crusade more than it hurt ours. The evidence of that is that we are so much further ahead today. We can freely express ourselves, freely go to our entertainment venues, get married, take advantage of advancements in medicine, live together without fear....and yes, good or bad, make “acceptable risk” decisions about our health. Not so long ago, getting HIV infected was a death sentence. That is no longer true today. But we should not take that “gift” lightly. It certainly can’t help the thousands who are no longer with us and terribly missed. [/FONT]

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

The reason I thought of this thread is because I feel that gay culture or subculture is something rarely learned from families. There are so many defining moments from political to popular and everything in between. The internet makes our history available but only if one knows to look.

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tinku

 

[jbrown329]

Who Harvey Milk was and his impact, The Times of Harvey Milk, not Milk.
The movie And the Band Played On.
The true history of the Stonewall riots, not the fictionalized one by Hollywood.
The movie An Early Frost.
The movies It's My Party, Philadelphia and Longtime Companion.
And don't forget The Boys in the Band.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Who Harvey Milk was and his impact, The Times of Harvey Milk, not Milk.
The movie And the Band Played On.
The true history of the Stonewall riots, not the fictionalized one by Hollywood.
The movie An Early Frost.
The movies It's My Party, Philadelphia and Longtime Companion.
And don't forget The Boys in the Band.

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tinku

 

[gsdx]

I wonder whether the gay rights movement would have progressed to the point it has now were it not for the aids crisis.
Would gay rights have progressed faster? Slower? It's hard to read in hindsight, especially not being there.

It's still known as the 'gay disease', isn't it?