What the Hell is Wrong with these Soldiers?

[Lostlover]

First Robert Bales' gruesome murderS of 16 people. I have yet to hear him be called a serial killer. I guess in the America's math, 16 Aghans equals less than one American. Not only did this loser have a killer's lust for blood, he also owed $1.5 million in a financial fraud. As far as I know, he still hasn't paid restitution to the victims. A) How did the Army let someone with such baggage into its ranks? B) How does someone with no education start trading bonds, derivatives, CDs, etc.?

This guy's killing spree is now affecting our foreign policy. I agree that we should expedite our withdrawal from Iraq, but a bum, wino, shyster shouldn't spearhead our pullout from Afghanistan.

I heard this morning about another LOSER soldier named Gary Stein. This fool heads the Army's Teabagger group. He's claiming that the army is stepping on his right to free speech since he might be discharged and have his rank lowered because of his political screeds. He says he won't follow President Obama's orders if he decides to intervene in Syria and doesn't believe President Obama was born in America.

In the words of Terry McMillan, "You still have your freedom of speech, you just ain't gonna be paid for it." It's nothing short of a miracle that he hasn't be released from the Army already.

(I won't even go into this Army loser they hired at my work. Vets have affirmative action where they're actually given cheat points for serving. All this sounds fine and dandy, but this ain't your grandfather's generation of soldiers.)

Please execute loser A after he's convicted and lock loser B up for a long time.

 

[jackoroe]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

So, all of those who serve are losers now? Yeah, this is going to go real well.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

delicate topic.
The majority of servicemen/woman are honorable, decent, smart people with the best intentions realizing it ain't no cakewalk.

But there is also a huge freak circus of misfits, they get cut a break and are appeased by every flag toting politician which trips over there tongue to kiss ass "thanking them for their service".

Its not new. You only have to watch a few dozen war movies to see that (i.e. Vietnam War).

Anyway when its the best gig in town and you know the benefits are better then Wal-Mart Taco Bell or the private sector in general and you can retire young, get some training or further your education it makes driving over the road for JB Hunt look like shit.

Sadly I know a great many misfits who for the most part went in bottom side because they didn't know what else to do with their lives. Most were spit out quickly or got out somehow before they could do to much harm to themselves or others who depend on them. I have no doubt if any of the politicians talked to some of my friends who were in the military they would be "thank you by the way for your service (unless gay) pffttttttt!!!! Some of the most fucked up people I know who would shit on their shoes after a few bong hits and fucking a street whore or stabbing their Momma.

Johnny ra-ra!
Lets face it, its one tough fucking haul and when you are involved with pointless corporate wars with no motivation as to personal victory what does it matter?

People are nutz' everywhere. Give them guns and put them in a environment of chaos, strict regiment, forced compliance and the fragile will break first.

You are wrong I think in your overly nasty opinion, yet I can dig it.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

So, all of those who serve are losers now? Yeah, this is going to go real well.

Of course I'm talking about all the soldiers in the army, even my relatives.

 

[justdra]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

They can lock him up or do whatever they did to the ones who refused to fight in the Iraq war. When u sign up for Active Duty you can pick and choose when you wanna fight. Bet he is still enjoying that check. Why don't he just leave Or asked to be discharged if he doesn't wanna serve.

 

[Kulindahr]

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They can lock him up or do whatever they did to the ones who refused to fight in the Iraq war. When u sign up for active duty you can pick and choose when you wanna fight. Bet he is still enjoying that check. Why don't he just leave Or asked to be discharged if he doesn't wanna serve.

Because quitting isn't allowed at the moment. And as far as the 'loser' who shot all those people, he was evaluated as unfit for another tour, but the base psychiatrist back at his base overruled that on the grounds that the government needs to get its money's worth out of soldiers.

Shoot the psychiatrist, too.

 

[CowboyBob]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Sorry to quibble about words, but there are serial killers and there are spree killers. Wiki can explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

Serial killer is typically defined an individual who has killed 3 or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer

A spree killer is someone who embarks on a murderous assault on two or more victims in a short time in multiple locations.

Wiki lists Robert Bales as a spree killer. So are Anders Behring Breivik, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, etc.

 

[JB3]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Sorry to quibble about words, but there are serial killers and there are spree killers. Wiki can explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

Serial killer is typically defined an individual who has killed 3 or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer

A spree killer is someone who embarks on a murderous assault on two or more victims in a short time in multiple locations.

Wiki lists Robert Bales as a spree killer. So are Anders Behring Breivik, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, etc.

Took the words out of my mouth Bob. If Bales had gone on a continuous spree, spread out over a long period of time, he would be a serial killer.

 

[maxpowr9]

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There needs to be a reevaluation of the psychological treatment of soldiers coming home. He was clearly unfit for another tour of duty and should have been honorably discharged. Yes, what he did was reprehensible and he should be punished for his actions. but this is what happens with war attrition.

I am just glad that the US got the brains to GTFO out of Afghanistan ASAP. If the Soviets could not tame the region, the "democratic" Americans sure as hell won't.

 

[JB3]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

There needs to be a reevaluation of the psychological treatment of soldiers coming home. He was clearly unfit for another tour of duty and should have been honorably discharged. Yes, what he did was reprehensible and he should be punished for his actions. but this is what happens with war attrition.

I am just glad that the US got the brains to GTFO out of Afghanistan ASAP. If the Soviets could not tame the region, the "democratic" Americans sure as hell won't.

Except there are growing indications that what happened had nothing to do with his service and everything to do with Bales being an unstable, violent man.

 

[Stardreamer]

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According to folks who interviewed him, Bales doesn't really remember the killing spree except for brief flashes. He seems to be really messed up in the head.

 

[maxpowr9]

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According to folks who interviewed him, Bales doesn't really remember the killing spree except for brief flashes. He seems to be really messed up in the head.

Yes it is unfortunate that "temporary insanity" does happen; drug-induced or not. I had a good friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (lexapro if it matters) but it was an overdose and sent him into a manic phase and the shit he did while on the drug was completely out of character of his "normal behaviour".

Reckon I don't know if said army man was under any influence besides alcohol but if he was, well...that could be a big factor.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Sorry to quibble about words, but there are serial killers and there are spree killers. Wiki can explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

Serial killer is typically defined an individual who has killed 3 or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer

A spree killer is someone who embarks on a murderous assault on two or more victims in a short time in multiple locations.

Wiki lists Robert Bales as a spree killer. So are Anders Behring Breivik, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, etc.

That's a very valuable distinction -- thanks.

A friend of mine who knows how the system works wants into on the psychiatrist who sent the guy back over -- he wants the guy's license.

 

[Stardreamer]

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Yes it is unfortunate that "temporary insanity" does happen; drug-induced or not. I had a good friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (lexapro if it matters) but it was an overdose and sent him into a manic phase and the shit he did while on the drug was completely out of character of his "normal behaviour".

Reckon I don't know if said army man was under any influence besides alcohol but if he was, well...that could be a big factor.

What I'm told though is that temporary insanity under the UCMJ has a very high standard of proof. It is not as easy a defense as it is under the civilian system.

 

[LittleDove]

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The premise of this thread seems to be as goofy as another currently going, which presents a list of supposed 'gay serial killers' with the dangling suggestion that because X was gay, ergo he was a serial killer.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Essentially with a lack of men in the US available to stand up and do the work many are being recycled over and over and over. This was inevitable. That place is a pressure cooker.

By the way what will really make you cry will be when a few of them go off back home here in the good ole' US of A.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

@LostLover
Then don't make a generalizing and insulting title that gives an impression you mean most soldiers in the U.S. military.

You should go serve like these men have. See how you feel afterwards after serving 2-4 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

@LostLover
Then don't make a generalizing and insulting title that gives an impression you mean most soldiers in the U.S. military.

You should go serve like these men have. See how you feel afterwards after serving 2-4 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I was too young to serve in Afghanistan, but I would have then. Unfortunately, this country likes wars and goes to war without thinking first so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I will not serve this country in this capacity; I value my life and any innocent civilian's life too much to do so.

I didn't say all soldiers are losers, but I do think that there's a huge problem with our current lot. Every other month there seems to be a controversy. Two months ago we saw our soldiers peeing on the corpses of dead Taliban fighters and the only reason we heard about it was because the photos got into the wrong hands. (I personally don't have an issue with pissing on the Taliban fighters. It's a little confusing when you can shoot them dead but not piss on them. But I think this incident goes to the point that we don't have a very professional army.)

Not much before this there was the Fort Hood shooting and around that time some idiot, local soldier was thankfully killed by law enforcement when they went to arrest him for smuggling drugs across the border in a multi-million dollar narcotics business. (And his family has the audacity to sue the government!)

This troll came from under the bridge last week. She participated in the Abu Ghraib incident, but instead of disappearing she came back belligerent by refusing to apologize for participating in clear violations of international protocol when dealing with detainees.

I don't believe these are just isolated incidents.

 

[LilBit]

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Essentially with a lack of men in the US available to stand up and do the work many are being recycled over and over and over. This was inevitable. That place is a pressure cooker.

By the way what will really make you cry will be when a few of them go off back home here in the good ole' US of A.

It's already happened, near the neighborhood where I grew up. The victim was a friend of my best friend's family.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8472696

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Essentially with a lack of men in the US available to stand up and do the work many are being recycled over and over and over. This was inevitable. That place is a pressure cooker.

By the way what will really make you cry will be when a few of them go off back home here in the good ole' US of A.

It's just like with American Idol. Despite having 310 million people in this country, the same One-Eyed Willies are applying each year. This is why we must reinstate the draft making all adults from 18-99 eligible to serve our country militarily.