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A long post but please bear with me

Well fellow jubbers, I'm lost. I'm a 25 year old man that has came out, but I am still struggling with it. I'm Native American, raised mormon and basically stuck living back home. I'm in a very deep funk that I just do not know how to shake. I came out to my mother and stepfather on new years 2010. I got pretty wasted and cried in my mothers arms and told her how it was. She consoled me and said its ok If I'm gay. Prior to that, I "sort of" came out to my sister telling her I'm 80% attracted to women and %20 to men. Predominantly, I'm attracted to men, but every now and then, if the right girl comes along, I'm all for it. I was working for a company in Indianapolis, but when the economy tanked, they went bankrupt, and I was out of the job. I couldn't get a decent job anywhere, and decided I had no other option to move back in with my parents. I've been living with my parents for 2 years and I've been just miserable. I'm morbidly depressed but I don't let it show. Even though my mother says she accepts me for what I am, I know she feels otherwise. She always tells me I need to talk to the bishop and that I'm just confused. We get into fights every now and then all revolving around myself. Ever since I came out, my stepfather doesn't really "talk" to me anymore. I haven't came out to my real father and stepmother because I fear their reaction. Growing up, my father was very vocal about gays and loathed the fags and queers always putting them down and making cruel remarks about them.
I used to work for a piping company. I quit after 2 years of service. I never came out at work since construction workers tend to be, you know. Work was awesome. I met a many of great people on the construction sites. I was a great worker. I was noticed for my performance from the foreman's and superintendents. I was even told one winter day, that the owner himself, wanted me on the apprentice program which was crazy for a first year. This past summer, I went out dancing and met someone special. We ended up kissing in the parking lot next to his car. Little known to me, a coworker saw me. That next week was odd when everyone started to be standoffish. A few days later, a co-worker told me that everyone thinks I'm gay. I told him yes I was and if its a problem. He said no and I thought we were cool. My sexuality eventually made it all around the job site. After my outing, people were different and rude. All of the friends I made stopped talking to me and ignored me. I got stuck with shitty jobs and was left working alone most of the time. I just took it in stride and told myself that these people are ignorant and stupid. Then my tools started disappearing. Not just random $4 screwdrivers but freaking $100 pipe wrenches. I reported it to the higher-ups, but I could tell, they didn't care. I knew what this was all about but I told myself to just suck it up. What really got to me though was one day after work, someone wrote "fag" and "Quit you queer" all over my truck. Everyone laughed at me and I tried to brush it off. I REALLY needed the money so I decided to let it go. Many weeks went on with my vehicle being tagged but lo and behold, there were no witnesses anywhere! After weeks of shitty attitudes and constant jokes behind my back I decided , enough is enough. No amount of money is good enough for me to subject myself to this abuse. In early November I sat down with the owner of the company and told him I cannot work here anymore. He asked why and I wold him you know why. He told me to not let assholes like them get to you. You have a lot of potential plus more intelligence and ambition than any of them. I thanked him for the opportunity to let me work and learn with his company.
It's been almost 3 months since I quit and even though I'm unemployed and broke, I feel it was one of the best decisions I have made.
My credit is shit now since I can't pay anything. My '08 Mazda 3 was repoed and I'm on foot. I tried to commit suicide through electrocution but ended up with a nasty electrical burn and a $8000 medical bill. I've taken up drinking to try and curb my depression. I've recently begun to steal my uncle and grandfather's percocet just to numb the pain. I'm distraught with parents, bills, and mainly my sexuality. Even though I have come out, I think I am ok with it, but deep, deep, DEEP, down, I'm not. My family doesn't really accept it, my community (and culture) can't accept it and I do not accept it. I just don't know what to do. I feel living here in this rural close minded community is hindering my prosperity. I can't afford to move or a shrink or anything. I feel like giving up. I know suicide is not the answer but as the days go by, I find myself rationalizing it more and more.

-Josh-
 
Wow

That is some story - you've clearly had a really shit time and I feel for you.

I don't think suicide is the answer. Easy for me to say, sitting thousands of miles away in midsummer in my office at the lab, but you sound like a decent and rational guy who can get over all this and make a go of it all.

I don't know much about your location, but I think you should try to find someone to speak to. I'm sure more Jubbers a little closer to home can point you in a more useful direction.

Hang in there, man. It can only get better from here.

-d-
 
From your story, I can tell that you have such an admirable character and inner strength that you should focus on in moving your life forward. You've already come a long way - by coming out you've shown true courage and honesty to your self, your family, and your community. If people can't accept who you are, then that is their problem NOT YOURS! Suicide is never the answer. Just take it one step at a time, focus on your inner strength, continue to do good, and things will get better eventually. We all get very hurt at some point in our life, but it will heal eventually.
 
Hey Josh
Have just finished reading your post and i really am amazed at the courage and
sense of what you have posted. I have to be honest and admit that i do not know much about the Morman faith except that they have some very strict
rules and/or regulations.
I think that it takes a very brave guy to be as open as you have been as for those guys at your last workplace ,well assholes aint the word for them cause most of us like assholes. It sounds like you are feeling very isolated but please
remember if you ever need to talk or just unwind jub is a fantastic place to do it
there are so many great guys here that will be rooting for you.
I am one of them all i can offer is support and i am sure that many other guys would be willing to offer a shoulder to lean on or even if you need to let off some
steam. Welcome to jub and i am sure that you will soon have lots of good buddies
that you can share your dreams with,please take care and i for one send you a great big (*8*) . Adam.
 
Sorry you had to go through all those homophobia during your recent job.. i know mankind is messed up but it's always sadden me to hear and/or witness stories such as yours. (How could we be so cruel to one another when we can do things that are so amazing?)

Josh, don't give up now, you've been through a lot already; Hang in there and see what this coming day may bring.(*8*)
 
Hello Josh!

I read your story, WOW! My heart is aching for you and there are tears in my eyes for all the bullshit you have endured! I feel your pain too!

Suicide and doing harm to yourself is never the answer. Mixing painkillers and alcohol is not good either. I went through a serve bout of depression with suicidal thoughts years ago. I am glad now that I did not harm myself. My situation eventually changed and I got better. Your situation will eventually change too and things will eventually get better too.

You need to change your surroundings. I know this maybe difficult since you are with your family now.

Hard-up1 seems to have a plan. I understand there is a large gay population in Albuquerque. You could get the support you need and acceptance there. I wish you the best.
 
Josh, you sound brave and proud and like you have a deep understanding of your self, but you sound very tired and as though you feel quite alone and unsupported. When I feel alone, there's not much anyone can say to convince me that I have their solidarity, but that clear fact is that you have touched and connected with men all over the world who feel your anguish and who are saddened by your depression and desperation.

The alcohol is a depressant so you really need to be putting that aside for now - wait 'til another cute bloke kisses you and you're feeling warm and happy in his company before you take another drink.

Don't hurt yourself, either. When the right boy comes along and finds out the pain caused you to hurt yourself, his heart will break, and you don't want that, do you?! So, be prepared to keep on fighting to get through.

Sometimes it is good (although it sounds corny and stupid) to assign yourself half an hour per day to meditate and spend time focused on positive things about yourself, decisively keeping negative experiences out of mind. Sor tof like a recharge period each day. I learned that from a teacher when I was a kid, and it worked really well - you just have to be serious and organised enough to stick to it each day.

Things come and go in ebbs and flows; let it wash over you and just relax and go with the flow. It's like being dumped by an enormous wave at the beach: If you flop and go soft, you don't get hurt, but if you go rigid and try to fight nature, your speedos get filled with sand and you get thrown to the bottom, painfully. People are often desperate to show what incredible arsewipes they can be. You know you're a nice person with strong qualities, even your boss told you this, so jsut keep trusting in this.

Don't tell more people about such a vulnerable part of your life while you're not able to feel centred and secure. You don't owe anything and you must stay protected for the time being. But you can take all of this advice with a grain of salt if you like - only you know what's good for your situation.

You are not alone, and you sound wonderfully full of potential. I want to read about your life a bit more, I think. Wish I could give a buddy hug.

Sam(*8*)
 
Hi, Josh. (*8*)

Being gay in an intolerant community has made many of us suicidal at times.

First advice: Hang on.

Second: Your feeling are understandable, but you are also confessing some actions that you know are also making your lot worse. Alcohol isn't a prescription for "curbing" depression, quite the opposite. Stealing narcotics, presumably mixed with alcohol, is just plain scary. I hope you figure out how to pull out of that spiral.

Third: Construction has left a lot of guys on the shoals. I gave a ride to a pair of homeless people yesterday between Albuquerque and Los Lunas. They were out-of-work construction workers.

Fourth: Location, location, location. You have chosen to go to family in a rural setting. I actually have a gay friend out your way, at Crownpoint, and he is accepted by his people, but apparently that clan and yours do not treat gay family the same. So it is in the world. Being gay is going to require some determination. From your tone, it reads like you are certain about being gay, but just sick of all it has cost you. (*8*) Yeah, it's not right to have to pay such a price for simple existence.

Fifth: I am familiar with the LDS, and met missionaries in my hometown and got to know them, their church, and even travelled to Utah to meet their families. Not a convert, I still learned to understand them better, in context. If you need someone to just talk to, I'll be happy to be here for you.

Finally, I live right here in Albuquerque. Maybe a plan for you would be to just get a little ways from home and try to make a go. There are jobs here, low wage for the most part, but jobs, and lots of rooms to let in the local listings. You could get here, get a basic job, and think about taking some courses at CNM or UNM and redirecting your career away from the homophobic industry you have experience in. As a native, you qualify for scholarships, don't you?

I'd be glad to talk with you further, and to offer a helping hand in getting you on your feet. Moving can't be that expensive -- you're 25 and living at home -- how much stuff could you have? :D

Shoot me a PM. Let's see if we can't get you some plans you can start with.

Take courage -- there are people in the world who will help you.

Wow! Hard-up1, you have great advice and a great heart to help ..|

Hey Josh, move out of the depressive community you're in and start over. Don't lose hope (*8*)
 
First give up the drugs and drinking. Then if you really want to get away and get a job , join the military. There are all sorts of construction type jobs there, most come under the heading of Engineers in the Army, Seabees in the Navy and I am not sure about the Air Force or Marines. Talk to a recuiter about it. The Air Force probably has the best living and working conditions. Would have been great if you could have tried this two years ago, but there is still time. An instant job and change of enviroment. Isn't this what you want. But you must clear your mind of sucide thoughts, it is never the answer.

I feel you should have asked the owner of the company for help and given him a chance before quitting, but , I was not there.

Remember that we can not blame others for how we feel. We are the only ones who can choose to be happy or unhappy, reguardless of our surroundings.

I wish you well and will say a prayer for you.
 
You reached out here. That is the best news I can think of.

Many are telling you to hang on, but I say reach out more where it is safe.
If there is an Episcopal Church nearby, call and make an appointment to talk with the priest. Maybe he will know some connection in the community, or even better with one friend nearby and a confidant you can mannage to more forward.

Please feel free to PM me.
Your JUB brother,
Shep+..|
 
Hey guys. I'm still here. To be honest, I was pretty drugged up and inebriated when I posted my deplorable state of being. The next day, I felt vulnerable, ashamed, and embarrassed for saying what I said. That's why I haven't replied at all. As of now, I've had a few beers and 3 percocets thus making me able to post again. I know, I know, Doing this is just wrong and unhealthy. But for the time being, it makes me feel better and keeps the depressing emotions at bay.
Unfortunately the same night of my confession, one of my cousins did commit suicide with pills. I took it as a wake up call since this is the 3rd suicide in my family. But the kicker is all three suicides were in my generation. A lot of things are going through my head and I'm considering all my options now. I think it all comes down to me getting the heck out of here. Thanks for the kind words and support everyone. I was apprehensive and mortified when I spilled the beans, but now I'm glad I was able to get it out there and at least tell someone about it.
 
^Glad you're still here - I'll admit I was worried - and now really sorry to hear about your cousin. It's a horrible way to have a wake-up call, but if it has that effect on you and you can use it as a springboard to a happier/healthier life then at least some good will come of the tragedy.

Hang in there, Josh. We're all rooting for you.

-d-
 
I would see a therapist asap. You tried to commit suicide and now it seems like you are beginning a slide into alcohol and drugs to drown your pain. That will go nowhere, it will just delay the real issues you will have to eventually face.
 
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