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What will happen with Kosovo and Metohija?

BTW,why Albanians had wared in FYRO Macedonia in 2000/2001?There was no Milosevic!It's obvious,they want Great Albania and they are the problem!Not Serbs,Greeks or people of FYROM!
 
holland said:
americans dont even know whats going on in mexico or canada ,so how could they be experts on kosovo?

they just repeat slogans from cnn and clinton or hillery

i saw holbrooke on tv tonight talking about saddam -i dontknow why ,or what job he has now
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You are right!Many even can't locate Kosovo and Metohija,but are experts to talk about its past or future :)

About Saddam,correct me if I'm wrong,but he had USA support in the beging of war against Iran,no?:rolleyes:
 
Russian Ambassador [to Serbia] Aleksandr Alekseyev has confirmed that Russia will, unless the decision regarding Kosovo [and its final status] is acceptable for both sides, put a veto on such decision in the UN Security Council.
 
I am from Bosni but I live in Serbia since 1992(when war in Bosnia started).KOSOVO IS A PART OF SERBIA AND NOBODY WILL TAKE IT AWAY..How can Albanians even think that they can take a part of one country like that,that's insane!!!(I dont speak English very well so sory for mistakes)
 
This thread is decidedly pro-Serb. There is plenty of Balkan guilt to go around since all sides have been guilty of atrocities.
The factionalism makes Iraqs' look simple in comparison.
The Orthodox Serbs have always had problems with Catholic Croats & Moslem Albanians. In turn the Croats have always had problems with Orthodox Christians and with Moslems. While the Albanians have always been in conflict with Serbs, Greeks etc. Bulgarians have fought Serbs, Romanians, Greeks & Turks. FYRO Macedonias' existence is challenged by Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria & Albania.
None want foreign interference, but none are willing to work out their own mutual problems with a spirit of understanding and cooperation.
Experts predicted that when Tito died, exactly what is happening now would happen.
What is the solution? Dividing regions and smaller regions within into a checkerboard map?. If that were to happen, as minority numbers shift based on employment opportunities, food supplies, escaping bloodshed, everything would have to be re-evaluated again.
All parties concerned need to elect moderate, intelligent leaders who would cooperate in solving the existing problems and plan for a peaceful, beneficial future for all. Throughout history, nationalistic dreams of a Greater Serbia, a Greater Albania and a Greater Bulgaria have caused hatred and conflict and the land is soaked in the blood of its' citizens.
Perhaps a committee of moderate/progressive "men of God" representing Catholics, Orthodox and Moslems could reach a viable solution.
It is indeed a very black mark that while the rest of Europe is coming together in a spirit of peace, cooperation and understanding that the Balkans continue to hate and kill each other.
 
unclaimedblessing said:
This thread is decidedly pro-Serb. There is plenty of Balkan guilt to go around since all sides have been guilty of atrocities.
The factionalism makes Iraqs' look simple in comparison.
The Orthodox Serbs have always had problems with Catholic Croats & Moslem Albanians. In turn the Croats have always had problems with Orthodox Christians and with Moslems. While the Albanians have always been in conflict with Serbs, Greeks etc. Bulgarians have fought Serbs, Romanians, Greeks & Turks. FYRO Macedonias' existence is challenged by Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria & Albania.
None want foreign interference, but none are willing to work out their own mutual problems with a spirit of understanding and cooperation.
Experts predicted that when Tito died, exactly what is happening now would happen.
What is the solution? Dividing regions and smaller regions within into a checkerboard map?. If that were to happen, as minority numbers shift based on employment opportunities, food supplies, escaping bloodshed, everything would have to be re-evaluated again.
All parties concerned need to elect moderate, intelligent leaders who would cooperate in solving the existing problems and plan for a peaceful, beneficial future for all. Throughout history, nationalistic dreams of a Greater Serbia, a Greater Albania and a Greater Bulgaria have caused hatred and conflict and the land is soaked in the blood of its' citizens.
Perhaps a committee of moderate/progressive "men of God" representing Catholics, Orthodox and Moslems could reach a viable solution.
It is indeed a very black mark that while the rest of Europe is coming together in a spirit of peace, cooperation and understanding that the Balkans continue to hate and kill each other.
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I don't necessarily consider myself pro-Serb or pro-Albanian. I am American and have no family ties to either group. However, I have a problem with the issue of independence for Kosovo.

First of all, this has nothing to do with the idea of a "Greater Serbia". Kosovo has always been a part of the Serbian nation. It is actually the heart and soul of Serbia. Kosovo for hundreds of years has been an integral part of the Serbian state. Because of various historical events, the Serb population has been shrinking and the Albanian population increasing. It is now 95% Albanian and only 5% Serbian. So does ethnicity soley determine national boundaries now? Where are all the liberals with their "holy grail" of multiculturalism when you need them? Wouldn't a multi-ethnic Kosovo, as part of Serbia, be an example of multi-culturalism? But no. It seems that most "progressives" are calling for independence for Kosovo which will result in driving out the remaining Serbs and Kosovo becoming ethnically homogenous.

Independence for Kosovo will actually result in a "Greater Albania" Since ethnic Albanians are 30% of Macedonia's population and 10% of Montenegro's population, let's just carve those countries up while we are at it. But why stop there? Let's start re-drawing all the boundaries of Europe to give every ethnic/cultural/linguistic group their own country.

Another issue that bothers me is - Who has the right to decide these things? The United Nations? The European Union? The United States? Nobody has the right to dismember the Serbian nation, a member of the United Nations, by the way.

If ethnicity is reason enough to redraw international borders, then the United States has a big problem on its hands. Since Mexican-Americans will soon be a majority in my state (California), and since California was for 300 years a part of the Spanish Empire and for 25 years a part of Mexico, why shouldn't the UN and the European Union intervene and declare California independent, making it free to re-join Mexico. It is the EXACT same priciple.

It is true that under Milosevic, the Albanians were mistreated . That is not reason enough to dismember a sovereign country that is part of the United Nations and is internationally recognized within its borders.
 
unclaimedblessing said:
This thread is decidedly pro-Serb. There is plenty of Balkan guilt to go around since all sides have been guilty of atrocities.
The factionalism makes Iraqs' look simple in comparison.
The Orthodox Serbs have always had problems with Catholic Croats & Moslem Albanians. In turn the Croats have always had problems with Orthodox Christians and with Moslems. While the Albanians have always been in conflict with Serbs, Greeks etc. Bulgarians have fought Serbs, Romanians, Greeks & Turks. FYRO Macedonias' existence is challenged by Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria & Albania.
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Well,why this thread is pro-Serb?Would you let your state to join Mexico?

Every neighbour states had/have some probs EXCEPT Serbs and Greeks who are in brothers' love for more than 7 centuries :)

And Serbs didn't have probs with Croats,we even liberated them from Austrians,but they seem to have probs with us,don't know why and instead to say "Thank you for liberating Croatia which is under Austria since 1102. (we liberated them after WW 1)"...they had killed almost 1 000 000 of Serbs JUST in Jasenovac camp!!!

It is indeed a very black mark that while the rest of Europe is coming together in a spirit of peace, cooperation and understanding that the Balkans continue to hate and kill each other.
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SAome countries like UK had spearded that hateness between nations into ex Yugoslavia,while English are hated by Scotish and Welsh and Irish as well and North Ireland can't wait to rejopin motherland of Ireland.In Europe there are problems and killed very frequantely (look Basqia,for example).
 
TongueTied said:
First of all, this has nothing to do with the idea of a "Greater Serbia". Kosovo has always been a part of the Serbian nation. It is actually the heart and soul of Serbia. Kosovo for hundreds of years has been an integral part of the Serbian state. Because of various historical events, the Serb population has been shrinking and the Albanian population increasing. It is now 95% Albanian and only 5% Serbian. So does ethnicity soley determine national boundaries now? Where are all the liberals with their "holy grail" of multiculturalism when you need them? Wouldn't a multi-ethnic Kosovo, as part of Serbia, be an example of multi-culturalism? But no. It seems that most "progressives" are calling for independence for Kosovo which will result in driving out the remaining Serbs and Kosovo becoming ethnically homogenous.
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Right...The first Serbian lands were Duklja (today's Montenegro),Bosnia and Rashka(Rascia-today's central Serbia+Kosovo and Metohija+FYRO Macedonia-so called-Old Serbia).

About multinationalism-in northen Serbia,Vojvodina or Serbian dukedom (Vojvoda in Serbian means duke) is the only region in the Europe where 6 languages are official.There live 30 nations and many religions and it's peaceful for decades!!!It is proof that Albanians fake crisis as they tryed with war in FYRO Macedonia in 2000.People,they want Great Albania!Otherwise...Milosevic wasn't the president of FYRO Macedonia when they started war (like in Kosovo and Metohija ) to fight against "evil" FYRO Macedonians.How these nice,angelic Albanians got so much weapons?How that come?:rolleyes:


Independence for Kosovo will actually result in a "Greater Albania" Since ethnic Albanians are 30% of Macedonia's population and 10% of Montenegro's population, let's just carve those countries up while we are at it. But why stop there? Let's start re-drawing all the boundaries of Europe to give every ethnic/cultural/linguistic group their own country.

Another issue that bothers me is - Who has the right to decide these things? The United Nations? The European Union? The United States? Nobody has the right to dismember the Serbian nation, a member of the United Nations, by the way.

If ethnicity is reason enough to redraw international borders, then the United States has a big problem on its hands. Since Mexican-Americans will soon be a majority in my state (California), and since California was for 300 years a part of the Spanish Empire and for 25 years a part of Mexico, why shouldn't the UN and the European Union intervene and declare California independent, making it free to re-join Mexico. It is the EXACT same priciple.

It is true that under Milosevic, the Albanians were mistreated . That is not reason enough to dismember a sovereign country that is part of the United Nations and is internationally recognized within its borders.
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In Greece it is calculated that there live about 1 000 000 of Albanians.They also want to take western Greece.

Not just California,but Texas,or Quebec or Corsica,Catalonia,Kurdistan,Cyprus, Sicilia... And why then the Republic Srpska would not be able to join Serbia?
 
No one said the Albanians were angelic, but the Serbs don't deserve that adjective either.
The only reason the Croats sided with the Germans during WW2 was that German occupation and dominance was preferable to Serb tyrany & brutality.
If you base Serb claims and complaints on history (and equate it with the former Mexican possession of the SW USA), go back in history and return the land to the peoples who lived there before the Slav invasions from Asia.
Serbia brings to mind the little kid who beats up other kids all the time but when the other kids fight back, Serbia screams "Not fair".
 
So the Serbs are angels afterall.
They never committed atrocities against their perceived enemies.
They never attacked others, but have always been helpless victims.
Everyone else is guilty and wrong, Serbia is innocent and morally right.
That's why there will never be a peaceful solution to the problems in the Balkans. One side is always completely right and the other side is completely wrong. There is no room for compromise and cooperation.
 
I say that everybody(Serbs,Croats and Bosnians)is guilty!We hate each other without a reason,and 4 a long tiome.I love everybody,no mather what religion you are as long as you are a good person...I AM YUGONOSTALGIC,and I am only 20 years old.
 
unclaimedblessing said:
No one said the Albanians were angelic, but the Serbs don't deserve that adjective either.
The only reason the Croats sided with the Germans during WW2 was that German occupation and dominance was preferable to Serb tyrany & brutality.
If you base Serb claims and complaints on history (and equate it with the former Mexican possession of the SW USA), go back in history and return the land to the peoples who lived there before the Slav invasions from Asia.
Serbia brings to mind the little kid who beats up other kids all the time but when the other kids fight back, Serbia screams "Not fair".
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Nonsense!Croats hit FIRST,Albanians HIT FIRST!!!So think about it!During WW1 and WW2,Croats and Albanians killed Serbs and we were on side with Americans...they did it in this last wars,but suddnely became good treated by some American politicmen!

But I'm sure that tomorrow you will allow Mexicans to take Arizona,right?..|
 
holland said:
the croats killed serbs in camps in ww2 and albanians supported hitler-it seems they started the war

then when tito was gone didnt they revert to killing?

but clinton and holbrook refused to see the truth then usa helped the nazi supporters

there were no camps where serbs starved albanians i heard -it was a hoax

so where is the proof of all this?cnn?msnbc?usa cia? they said there were wmd in iraq and they lied or are inept
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And Clinton used URANIUM bombs and CASSETE BOMBS (prohibitted !!! ) in 1999. during NATO bombing!

I agree with you!Where the prooves are?:grrr:

And why people who seem to like Albanians don't answer why they started war in FYRO Macedonia in 2000.!There was no Milosevic!!!!:grrr:
 
unclaimedblessing said:
So the Serbs are angels afterall.
They never committed atrocities against their perceived enemies.
They never attacked others, but have always been helpless victims.
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Prooves for opposite,please :) ?

Everyone else is guilty and wrong, Serbia is innocent and morally right.
That's why there will never be a peaceful solution to the problems in the Balkans. One side is always completely right and the other side is completely wrong. There is no room for compromise and cooperation
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But bombing of the "evil" Serbs was compromise!And today NOBODY reacts what Albanians do to Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija!

We are talking here about DOUBLE STANDARDS and lies some politics talk about!If they really care for human rights,why they didn't bomb Albanians after exoduse of Serbs in March 2004 in Kosovo and Metohija?Or did bomb Croats when they did exouduse of 350 000 and kill 3 500 of Serbs in August 1995.?Do you have some answer for these double standards?:grrr:
 
I suggest that paragraphs would make that easier to read -

I also stayed out of this thread because there are some very closed minded people on this subject

There must be an independent Kosovo for the protection of the ethnic Albanians - with protection for the Serbian minority as they deserve for the sake of humanity, not as they deserve for the past treatment of the people of Kosovo

I have a friend who has testified in the Hague as an expert on what the Serbs have done in former Yugoslavia, I have seen too many pictures and learned too much -

you (and I) will probably be savagely attacked by Serb nationalists and apologists - witness this thread -

funny that 3,000 people died on September 11th and Americans thought that a horror - at least twice as many were murdered in the ethnic cleansing at Srebrenica in July 1995 and no one in this country gives a shit because it wasn't on tv in big colors -

I don't agree with you on everything you say and your line of reasoning but i deeply appreciate your speaking up for the Serbian victims of Kosovo and Srebrenica and indeed in all of the genocide practiced by the Serbs (and Croats) in the name of the holy fucking ethnic purity
 
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