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What's with Walmart?

So the people at Corner Gas in Dog River don't get a health care plan? LOL (Canadian joke)

As Brent is self-employed, he would have to insure himself if Corner Gas had a plan, same goes for Lacy and the Ruby.

Now Wanda on the other hand would benefit from a Corner Gas plan, and I'm sure she's schemey enough to find some way to make it happen.

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(As a side-note, I work right across the street from one of the filming locations, and have seen them around a few times.)
 
There's a real simple solution to the "Wal-Mart Problem". Stop going there, shopping, and spending your money there.

Put them out of business with your pocket book if you disagree with their business practices.

Since when is ANYONE entitled to health insurance--either from their employer or their government?

"Entitlement" is the problem, not health insurance, government, or employers.

A4A
 
There's a real simple solution to the "Wal-Mart Problem". Stop going there, shopping, and spending your money there.

Put them out of business with your pocket book if you disagree with their business practices.

Since when is ANYONE entitled to health insurance--either from their employer or their government?

"Entitlement" is the problem, not health insurance, government, or employers.

A4A

It was deemed that people were "entitled" to free health care here, when they decided that people should not be refused treatment because of a lack of funds.

In essense you are saying that the Smith's on the corner, who both work at minimum wage jobs, should not be "entitled" to have their daughter, who has cancer, cared for, because they don't have enough money to pay for it?

That's a very isolationistic way of thinking.
 
There's a real simple solution to the "Wal-Mart Problem". Stop going there, shopping, and spending your money there.

Put them out of business with your pocket book if you disagree with their business practices.

Since when is ANYONE entitled to health insurance--either from their employer or their government?

"Entitlement" is the problem, not health insurance, government, or employers.

A4A

I know a lot of people who have done that.
I also know people who only buy there what can't be found elsewhere.
But most of the people I see who shop there can't afford to go anywhere else.

It was deemed that people were "entitled" to free health care here, when they decided that people should not be refused treatment because of a lack of funds.

In essense you are saying that the Smith's on the corner, who both work at minimum wage jobs, should not be "entitled" to have their daughter, who has cancer, cared for, because they don't have enough money to pay for it?

That's a very isolationistic way of thinking.

And what do you call a way of thinking that uses the threat of force to make them spend money on what they disapprove of?
Many of the people who believe the poor should have basically free health care have enough money that they could cover one or more of those people themselves. But these billionaires like George Soros would rather spend their money to coerce people less well off. requiring them to spend their money, instead of being generous.
It's too bad we don't have rich people like John D. Rockefeller any longer, people who believed their wealth was for the purpose of helping those around them. Sure, Bill Gates gives away a lot, and Soros tossed a bundle into the Gates Foundation, but if they want to be humanitarian why aren't they providing health care? Why haven't all the rich liberals started a Health Care Foundation, and funded it with their wealth, and shamed the Republicans into contributing as well.

What happened to charity and generosity?
 
And what do you call a way of thinking that uses the threat of force to make them spend money on what they disapprove of?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this...

Many of the people who believe the poor should have basically free health care have enough money that they could cover one or more of those people themselves. But these billionaires like George Soros would rather spend their money to coerce people less well off. requiring them to spend their money, instead of being generous.
It's too bad we don't have rich people like John D. Rockefeller any longer, people who believed their wealth was for the purpose of helping those around them. Sure, Bill Gates gives away a lot, and Soros tossed a bundle into the Gates Foundation, but if they want to be humanitarian why aren't they providing health care? Why haven't all the rich liberals started a Health Care Foundation, and funded it with their wealth, and shamed the Republicans into contributing as well.

What happened to charity and generosity?

Do you realize how much health care costs? Bill Gates' entire net worth would not be able to fund Canada's health care system for a year (Or America's for that matter). In 2005, it worked our health care budget worked out to be about 10% of our GDP.
 
I know a lot of people who have done that.
I also know people who only buy there what can't be found elsewhere.
But most of the people I see who shop there can't afford to go anywhere else.



And what do you call a way of thinking that uses the threat of force to make them spend money on what they disapprove of?
Many of the people who believe the poor should have basically free health care have enough money that they could cover one or more of those people themselves. But these billionaires like George Soros would rather spend their money to coerce people less well off. requiring them to spend their money, instead of being generous.
It's too bad we don't have rich people like John D. Rockefeller any longer, people who believed their wealth was for the purpose of helping those around them. Sure, Bill Gates gives away a lot, and Soros tossed a bundle into the Gates Foundation, but if they want to be humanitarian why aren't they providing health care? Why haven't all the rich liberals started a Health Care Foundation, and funded it with their wealth, and shamed the Republicans into contributing as well.

What happened to charity and generosity?
So do you actually contribute income tax from the work you do, or are you still relying on others 'charity and generosity'?
 
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this...



Do you realize how much health care costs? Bill Gates' entire net worth would not be able to fund Canada's health care system for a year (Or America's for that matter). In 2005, it worked our health care budget worked out to be about 10% of our GDP.

So because they're not rich enough to do it all, they use the coercive power of the government -- the threat of force -- to require people to spend their money -- taxes -- on something contrary to their beliefs -- entitlements?
That's not charity, it's selfishness, coercion... extortion, really. It doesn't matter if it's done by "the will of the people" or the Mafia; in both cases it's people with power using men with guns to impose their will on others.

My point was that those who believe its' a good idea to provide health care for others should open their pocketbooks and do so, and leave the rest alone.
 
I used to try to explain things to you when you post these fantasies of yours; no more.
So in other words, no, you still are not a taxpayer. But you think yourself fit to lecture us who make a fair contribution to society through our taxes. Have you ever considered getting a real job,perhaps?
 
So in other words, no, you still are not a taxpayer. But you think yourself fit to lecture us who make a fair contribution to society through our taxes. Have you ever considered getting a real job,perhaps?

No, in other words, you're still manufacturing fantasies.
Everything about me in that post above, for example, is false.

That's beside the fallacy in your main proposition.
 
So you actually have a job and pay income tax. Congratulations, you are an active member of society!:kiss:
 
So because they're not rich enough to do it all, they use the coercive power of the government -- the threat of force -- to require people to spend their money -- taxes -- on something contrary to their beliefs -- entitlements?
That's not charity, it's selfishness, coercion... extortion, really. It doesn't matter if it's done by "the will of the people" or the Mafia; in both cases it's people with power using men with guns to impose their will on others.

My point was that those who believe its' a good idea to provide health care for others should open their pocketbooks and do so, and leave the rest alone.

Many people don't agree with their money funding military expenditures, yet that happens with taxpayer funds. Through the threat of force... to require people to spend money on things they don't believe in... like the military is entitled to the funding.

It's like philosophy... the individual is left out for the greater good of society. I don't think we will ever come to an understanding on this. I was raised in a far more socialistic society than you were, and I view such a society as a good thing. Meanwhile, you would probably hate living in such a society. I suppose it's a good thing that we live in the places we live in then.

By the way, the US spends more money per capita on health care than does Canada (Taxpayers money), yet we have universal care, and you don't. Something to ponder.
 
Many people don't agree with their money funding military expenditures, yet that happens with taxpayer funds. Through the threat of force... to require people to spend money on things they don't believe in... like the military is entitled to the funding.

It's like philosophy... the individual is left out for the greater good of society. I don't think we will ever come to an understanding on this. I was raised in a far more socialistic society than you were, and I view such a society as a good thing. Meanwhile, you would probably hate living in such a society. I suppose it's a good thing that we live in the places we live in then.

By the way, the US spends more money per capita on health care than does Canada (Taxpayers money), yet we have universal care, and you don't. Something to ponder.

Military (defense) spending is a proper function of government, one of the inherent ones, since government is instituted to guarantee the rights of it citizens.
But beyond the bare proper functions, all else must be voluntary, or it is no longer a truly free country. The U.S. stopped being a truly free country for certain under FDR, but had been heading down that road for quite some time.
 
Military (defense) spending is a proper function of government, one of the inherent ones, since government is instituted to guarantee the rights of it citizens.
But beyond the bare proper functions, all else must be voluntary, or it is no longer a truly free country. The U.S. stopped being a truly free country for certain under FDR, but had been heading down that road for quite some time.

There is no country in the world that does the "bare minimum" as you put it. And if a country did, and they were a democratic country, there is no way a government like that would be voted back into power. People around the world want more out of their government than the bare minimum, and this is shown through the functions of modern democratic governments.

In my opinion, a truly free country ensures the safety and well-being of it's citizens (well being includes caring for their health), without encroaching too much on personal freedoms. There's always a grey area, because too much personal freedom=Anarchy, and too little=Suppression. Government intervention lays somewhere in between those, and it is up to the citizens of a certain country to decide (if they are democatic) where their nation should fit. However, with this discussion we are getting more into political theory rather than just a conversation about Walmart not treating its employees properly.
 
There is no country in the world that does the "bare minimum" as you put it. And if a country did, and they were a democratic country, there is no way a government like that would be voted back into power. People around the world want more out of their government than the bare minimum, and this is shown through the functions of modern democratic governments.

In my opinion, a truly free country ensures the safety and well-being of it's citizens (well being includes caring for their health), without encroaching too much on personal freedoms. There's always a grey area, because too much personal freedom=Anarchy, and too little=Suppression. Government intervention lays somewhere in between those, and it is up to the citizens of a certain country to decide (if they are democatic) where their nation should fit. However, with this discussion we are getting more into political theory rather than just a conversation about Walmart not treating its employees properly.

This is the fatal weakness of democracy. People will vote themselves goodies, in spite of wiser voices telling them to back down. This is why AARP doesn't care what happens to the economy down the line, they want goodies now.
And democracy is in the final analysis no different than the Middle Ages, when might made right, except now the "might" is that 50%+1 of people who even vote. the other 50%-1 are in essence subjects, whose beliefs and desires aren't honored.
The U.S. Constitution was supposed to stop that by making a government which could only those things which the Constitution explicitly authorized. The great perversion began when Congress, in violation of the Constitution, began assigning legislative power to hired and appointed bodies rather than the single elected one, namely itself. The second great perversion came when states' rights were plowed under, turning the states effectively into little more than provinces. The third great perversion came with the reversal of the "commerce clause" to mean the federal government could poke its busy nose into almost anywhere, instead of its original meaning of keeping the federal government's authority in a very limited sphere.
So what we end up with is a bureaucratic oligarchy, where the true power lies with the nameless, faceless millions of "civil servants", and the few who care to vote elect "representatives" who are powerless to do little besides add to the lumbering behemoth.
Parkinson's Law takes over, and even presidents' "no hire" orders fail to halt the growth of bureaucracy. Bureaucrats beget paperwork, which begets more bureaucrats, which in turn beget more paperwork... and these days some of the paperwork is always new regulations, the function of which is at root the justification of the jobs of those same bureaucrats, who, having invented new regulations, find they need even more bureaucrats to deal with the ensuing new paperwork.
And the power of the government becomes absolute, as even now regulations so abound that it is difficult not to break one, raising the threat of punishment above every person at every time.
All this is magnified by the vile principle in the U.S. that "the ignorance of the law is no defense"... a principle which arose from a jurist's faulty translation of Latin.



Now.... shall we lift these posts and start a new thread? :D
 
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