When Did America Stop Being Great ?

[xbuzzerx]

It is significant that the US bottom 10% "self reported health is almost the highest", notwithstanding the lack of actual socialized medicine.

The very first thing you learn on almost the first day of a demographics course is that self reporting should be regarded as next to useless. People lie or apply subjective meanings to things on self-reporting all the time for all kinds of reasons.

But we all know you aren't really interested in a rational yardstick, period. The problem is immigrants, always.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...People lie or apply subjective meanings to things on self-reporting all the time for all kinds of reasons...

Look to yourself. Your parents and grandparents made decisions about how to live and you must accept the consequences. Just as I do when I'm visiting or living in a place with a dominant culture.

 

[Benvolio]

There is a large subjective element in health. If you feel bad or feel good, that is more important than partisan democrats trying to convince you otherwise with a yardstick, "rational" or otherwise.

The very first thing you learn on almost the first day of a demographics course is that self reporting should be regarded as next to useless. People lie or apply subjective meanings to things on self-reporting all the time for all kinds of reasons.

But we all know you aren't really interested in a rational yardstick, period. The problem is immigrants, always.

 

[Telstra]

There Ben, you can fact check this for me ...

 

[Benvolio]

Tell me what it says.

 

[Telstra]

Tell me what it says.

Too much work.
You can tell me the points in there you disagreed

 

[Benvolio]

It doesn't play and it woud take too long for me to watch if it did play.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Envy of the world? I'm gonna mark this under "Typical American Pretentiousness" since I'm almost certain you haven't traveled the world polling, you assume our E.I. is the best because, well, this is 'Murrica so it MUST be, right?

It's really not a wild assumption. Simply research the foreign sales of American films and see how they compare to other nations' cinema and movie sales. No comparison. They want American cinema. They buy and steal American movies.

I'm going to go out on a very long, sturdy limb and guess that you're white. Oh, I'm right? Well how could I have guessed? Sure this racial equality thing seems golden on YOUR side of the fence, you don't have to worry about being denied jobs or housing, unjustly imprisoned, targeted by police, your son or daughter being shot on the way home from buying a cola and the killer being treated like a war hero, the list of racial inequalities in this country that you're probably unaware of is a mile long so I'll cut it off there. By the way, how's that fence between us and Mexico coming? You know, the one Americans are eager for so we can keep all those villanous brown people who don't speak our language out?

Sorry, but you don't get to restate my arguments as my own and then refute them. Never posted that equality was golden, only that the pastures aren't really greener abroad and there isn't any groundswell among American minority to head to those supposed Meccas of equality. As for the wall, it is easy to read my posts and see that I've never supported any anti-immigrant posts on this forum, so you'll have to refute that to someone who does. Everyone who disagrees with some point isn't automatically Benvolio. Bad logic.

And there's no greater indicator of our greatness in equality than the fact treating everyone the same under the law and in our daily lives is STILL filed under "Should we? Could we? Maybe." The fact that people come here to escape persecution or poverty only means... well, see above analogy about Rosie O'Donnell being MVP.

Touting equality, supporting it in law, and realizing it are all separate things. Freedom from poverty isn't the automatic result of equal rights in law. Equality in law should enable those who seek opportunity to access it, but it isn't going to happen quick.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It's really not a wild assumption. Simply research the foreign sales of American films and see how they compare to other nations' cinema and movie sales. No comparison. They want American cinema. They buy and steal American movies.

Quality > sales. Britney Spears has sold more records than Bob Marley. People gobble up American cinema because it's full of sex which is an age-old sure-fire marketing scheme. Unless you're under the age of 30 I doubt you'd call anything Hollywood has pumped out over the last two decades quality, it's barely watchable.

 

[Kabluey]

It is significant that the US bottom 10% "self reported health is almost the highest", notwithstanding the lack of actual socialized medicine.

Subjectively you feel better.
Objectively you die earlier than a number of other OECD countries that don't report the same satisfaction.

Positivity bias doesn't change fact.

 

[Benvolio]

So we feel healthier but die a year or two earlier. Many would say its a good trade. Who wants to feel bad and live a long long time? Does the show up on your yardstick?

 

[Telstra]

So we feel healthier but die a year or two earlier. Many would say its a good trade. Who wants to feel bad and live a long long time? Does the show up on your yardstick?

That does not make sense.
People who live for a long long time normally feel great and has a healthy life.
People who feel bad and sick die quickly.

 

[Kabluey]

So we feel healthier but die a year or two earlier. Many would say its a good trade. Who wants to feel bad and live a long long time? Does the show up on your yardstick?

Positivity bias is when perception does not match reality.
Perception is nice, but deluded.

 

[Benvolio]

That does not make sense.
People who live for a long long time normally feel great and has a healthy life.
People who feel bad and sick die quickly.

You just made that up. And you going against the poll as reprted by Kabluey 139 below: US "life expectancy below averare, but self reported health is almost the highest."

 

[Benvolio]

Mistake..........

 

[xbuzzerx]

Subjectively you feel better.
Objectively you die earlier than a number of other OECD countries that don't report the same satisfaction.

Positivity bias doesn't change fact.

That.

He pulls some random ass meaningless "self reporting of self perception of health" stat out because if you actually looked at things like how many die of childhood illnesses or treatable diseases the US ranks poorly next to other first world nations. You know, objective yardsticks.

Who cares if Americans delusionally "believe" they must get better healthcare than most of the rest of the planet 'cuz America's the best at everything.

 

[Benvolio]

That.

He pulls some random ass meaningless "self reporting of self perception of health" stat out because if you actually looked at things like how many die of childhood illnesses or treatable diseases the US ranks poorly next to other first world nations. You know, objective yardsticks.

Who cares if Americans delusionally "believe" they must get better healthcare than most of the rest of the planet 'cuz America's the best at everything.

You can pay girls to breed illegitimate children, but they do not always make good mothers.

 

[xbuzzerx]

You can pay girls to breed illegitimate children, but they do not always make good mothers.

Neither do women paying for their own status as mothers.

Yours, for example.

 

[Telstra]

This is funny i have to post this:

* Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall to Make America great again
* Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again
* Reforming The U.S.-China Trade Relationship To Make America Great Again
* Veterans Administration Reforms That Will Make America Great Again
* Tax Reform That Will Make America Great Again
* PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
* Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again
* What Else To Make America Great Again


OJ Simpson and LA riot to Make America Great Again ...

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Benvolio, I've heard your routine before. This "us vs them. Look out because THEY threaten our way of life." Oh yeah, it was the Holocuast.