When hollywood does gaygaygay

[PipRosi]

What are other embarrassing examples of this? Watching The Skeleton Twins (okay, I guess it's the "indie" side of hollywood) and Bill Hader's character has mentioned he's the "gay brother" a dozen times. While this is indeed a special and exalted kind of brother, I dunno, how many times does one mention the fact in a day? I guess as many times as hollywood thinks black men say "AS A BLACK MAN/BROTHA...." then something about bitches n' hoes.

Was it mainly Will and Grace that cartoonified gayness? And domesticated it. "We're just a more charming and well-dressed kind of middle-class professional, okay? The worst we'll do is make fun of your outfit." Perhaps paradoxically, I think Queer Eye is pretty good.

This is not even getting into lesbian representation or the lack thereof etc. etc.

 

[PipRosi]

Enter, the one black character (OBC) of the film The Skeleton Twins. Yes, he's a fat security guard. Behold, the nuance and subtlety:

Black guard: "Hey! What are you doing up here?!"

Drunk "gay brother" Hader: "...Waiting for you, big officer security man."

Black guard: "The FUCK you just say to me?!"

End

Homophobic AND no sense of humour? Indie Hollywood, you spoil us.

 

[Charon]

As I've mentioned before, "straight allies" do a piss-poor job at diversity. Dude's either a stereotype, some plastic--Cabinfever once used the term walking talking mannequin, which is spot-on--angsty, sensitive pretty boy, or some messiah whose only role is to pass on "wisdom" to the hetero lead.

Well, to be fair, a lot of gay creators are guilty of that, too, lol. If it were up to me, I'd take the Cruising approach, GLAAD and other squeamish gay activists who hate on it for being "too cynical, dark, gross, and violent" be damned.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I'm not defender of Hollywood, but in fairness, comedies make caricatures of just about everyone.

Will and Grace was more a mouthpiece for what some gays wanted to say to the nation at a time when gay was becoming more OK to the mainstream population after decades and decades of tittering about it. Will and Jack were treated as foils for the extremes, with the exception that Will was out instead of closeted. In the real world, especially at that time, non-gay-Mecca towns in America were more likely to see grown men who were either the flamer or the closeted. For political reasons, both were out in the series, plus it was NYC, so there was that.

I've joined gay social groups in multiple regions where I have lived, and in several of them the self-reference became a problem. Simply talking about being gay was often the premise for then going on to raunchy talk, innuendo, and even proposition of sexcapades. Although I'm fine with grown men doing as they choose, I'm not fine with assumption that society at large is that crude. It is not. I've been in social gatherings all my life, and in none of them was it acceptable to being talking crude about sex and hinting at fucking around. Gay liberation is one thing, but to the degree we equate it with crude behavior, on or off a Pride float, it is delterious to the cause of gay acceptance in a hugely hetero-dominant world.

To your question about cartoonification, perhaps we've all participated to some degree in using humor to voice our pain about societal scorn and rejection, so maybe we are partly to blame.

 

[cabinfever]

^^^I don't remember when I said that but I must have because that is what I think - the walking mannequins also give me the skin crawling feeling - kinda like the gay Stepford Wives. I try to become invisible or run and hide when I come across one They don't like me too much either

 

[Charon]

^^^I don't remember when I said that but I must have because that is what I think - the walking mannequins also give me the skin crawling feeling - kinda like the gay Stepford Wives. I try to become invisible or run and hide when I come across one They don't like me too much either

Love, Victor.

anyone else seen this wonderful gay tv series from 2020? Very well acted, very well written. Not the soft mushy fluff I often associated gay romance tv shows. I am very impressed with it. I just wish a show like this existed when I was a gay kid struggling with my decision to come out to...

forums.justusboys.com

On a thread about a show whose lead characters who are both stereotypes, and plastic, angsty, sensitive pretty boys.

Oh yeah, and a lot of this dreck is made by yaoi fangirls (Heartstopper is another one) who are just recycling their favorite chick flick's clichéd plot, the only difference being that the lovestruck, emotionally-driven female lead is replaced with a gay one, said traits being passed on to him.

 

[cabinfever]

Love, Victor.

anyone else seen this wonderful gay tv series from 2020? Very well acted, very well written. Not the soft mushy fluff I often associated gay romance tv shows. I am very impressed with it. I just wish a show like this existed when I was a gay kid struggling with my decision to come out to...

forums.justusboys.com

On a thread about a show whose lead characters who are both stereotypes, and plastic, angsty, sensitive pretty boys.

Oh yeah, and a lot of this dreck is made by yaoi fangirls (Heartstopper is another one) who are just recycling their favorite chick flick's clichéd plot, the only difference being that the lovestruck, emotionally-driven female lead is replaced with a gay one, said traits being passed on to him.

Thanks! - good memory Charon! I remember now.

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

ugggh - it's awful on every level - especially when they cast gays on reality shows like Survivor or Big Brother - it's ALWAYS a flamboyant queen - NEVER the muscle boys from the gym - that would be too much of a threat to their fragile masculine egos.... even the ALL gay cast reality shows are always full of nelly queens

ONCE I found the exception to the rule - on Netflix there is a show called Leonard & Hap - one of the main characters is a gay black man who in no way fits any of the gay stereotypes -

 

[NotHardUp1]

The problem lies in the myth that part of the gay "community" promulgated during the 70's and after. In order to find solidarity of political cause, a concept defined as "gay culture" evolved and became depicted and is still promoted today, both within and outside the gay population.

Beyond the necessary goal of equal civil rights, much was added that is not shared values, to wit:


Celebration of the feminine side of men
Leftist political views
Inclusiveness
Urban lifestyles
Fashion consciousness
Liberal arts values
Ecological priorities
Cultural sensitivities
Technical or mechanical lack of inclination
Artistic abilities
Progressive
Promiscuity
Party oriented
Broadway and cinema-centric
Bitchiness
Victims, not bullies
Admiration for drag or drag queen performances
Desire to live in a majority gay area/neighborhood

The list could go on, but the point is made. When orientation becomes something more like a cultural values list, it ceases to represent men who share a sexual attraction to other men, period. By trying to force the definition to be cultural, it denies the actual common link, sexual attraction.

We should not supprot such an imposed and false assertion.

 

[cabinfever]

There is an opposite side to all of this - people who don't believe that you are gay for some reason. i have had that odd problem from the beginning. The usual reaction from straight people - there is no way you are gay. From other gay men - there is just something about you I can't put my finger on.

Jesus Christ - I had my tongue down my husband's or whatever boyfriend I had at the time throat. I am honestly and openly attracted ONLY to men. The only group of people who never questioned my sexuality is Lesbians.

My theory is that I don't objectify men and I HATE HATE HATE to be objectified and go out of my way to avoid any attention to my appearance - I like to blend into the woodwork instead though my lack of a filter kinda ruins the woodwork thing. Getting and meeting men I am attracted to has never been a problem for me and I don't need any "help"

The other thing - my sexuality has never been a problem for me nor am I the type to want to have a conversation about it or announce I am gay. I will introduce you to my husband instead and you can figure it out. Straight men don't have husbands. My butt clenches up when I am in that situation. I don't want to hear about your "other gay friend" or have you want to introduce me to another gay person - like it is some kind of club. Even worse - the coming out angst crap - I can't stomach it. I haver had a problem being gay and didn't give a shit if anyone else accepts it or not.

 

[cabinfever]

^^^I forgot to add my point. I blame the gay caricatures and portrayals as the reason I get those reactions.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

welcome to the world of having your representation dictated by the majority. starring the white guy who's about to do a muhammad ali documentary. ken burns?

this is why "diversity and inclusion" need to stop being used as curse words. until we get some gay people BEHIND the camera this is gonna continue, we won't have real representation just straight people's idea of what we are.

 

[Charon]

until we get some gay people BEHIND the camera this is gonna continue, we won't have real representation just straight people's idea of what we are.

Exactly.

 

[Charon]

There is an opposite side to all of this - people who don't believe that you are gay for some reason. i have had that odd problem from the beginning. The usual reaction from straight people - there is no way you are gay.

Had that happen plenty of times, caricatures are definitely to blame.

It's especially amusing when straight women who think all gays are like their flaming queen of a bestie assume you're hetero and group you (and other non-stereotypical gays) with sexist straight men when they go on a feminist rant about how us men sexualize them. Lol, honey, please.

 

[nycguydowntown]

big gay movie coming BROS--lol---so should make gays happy for a sec--are we 10% of population so we should be in 10% of all movies? Or should we be 10% of every movie. We are almost there---Broadway got there years ago.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Also there are plenty of gays and lesbians in front of camera and behind--why there is a whole gay mafia in Hollywood. It's all about money---and all gays don't think alike---many might not represent me the way I want to be.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Also there are plenty of gays and lesbians in front of camera and behind--why there is a whole gay mafia in Hollywood. It's all about money---and all gays don't think alike---many might not represent me the way I want to be.

in front of and behind? ummm i'll take your word for it. you're not including closeted gays are you?

 

[cabinfever]

welcome to the world of having your representation dictated by the majority. starring the white guy who's about to do a muhammad ali documentary. ken burns?

this is why "diversity and inclusion" need to stop being used as curse words. until we get some gay people BEHIND the camera this is gonna continue, we won't have real representation just straight people's idea of what we are.

The problem with alot of gay men that I have had is the ASSUMPTION that I am "acting straight". It is so fucking annoying to hear that over and over. I have NEVER been ashamed of being gay for even a second. I love my sexual orientation. I didn't choose it - it isn't a choice - but IF it was a choice I would definitely choose it.

I am not acting straight - I am acting like WHO I AM which is A GAY MAN. As far as I know - straight men get to be the individuals they are - why can't a gay man do the same?

***end of rant***