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When Intelligent and Logical Ideas Fall to Idealogical Premises...

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Here we go again with this bullshit abstinence only crap (which may be good for votes, but is complete, 100% BULLSHIT)...

Finally, an intelligent statement made by a (Republican, non-the-less!!) regarding access to contraceptives in Mexico (NOT referring to the part of how it will reduce illegal immigrants)

By Richard Cowan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A congressman is pushing a not-so-quick fix in the debate over illegal immigrants from Mexico: free contraceptives.
"A slower rate of growth of Mexico's population would improve the economy of Mexico. It would also reduce the environmental pressure on Mexico's ecosystem. But a slower rate of growth would also reduce the long-term illegal immigration pressure on America's borders," reasoned Rep. Mark Kirk, who also supports stronger border security in the short-term.
In reality, fertility rates have plunged in Mexico since 1980, when an average couple would have five or more children. Now, the country's fertility rate has dropped to 2.5 children, compared to 2.1 for the United States, according to United Nations data.
Kirk, an Illinois Republican, made the argument on Thursday during a heated debate in the House of Representatives over whether the U.S. government should be allowed to donate condoms and other contraceptives to family planning agencies abroad that also engage in abortion.
The proposal was narrowly approved by the House, over the protests of anti-abortion lawmakers who prefer sex abstinence education. The measure faces a veto threat from the White House.
Kirk, who attended college in Mexico and holds a master's degree from the London School of Economics, may have offered an idea that might appeal to some fiscal conservatives.
Shipping condoms to the poor in Mexico could be cheaper than the multibillion-dollar fence being constructed along the U.S.-Mexico border.


Am I completely off base to suggest that a lot of our problems could be solved with thorough sexual education and access to resposible forms of contraceptives?

Further, would an investment is helping provide contraceptives to developing countries (referring to places such as Africa) not pay dividends in the long run?

What does everyone think???
 
Here we go again with this bullshit abstinence only crap (which may be good for votes, but is complete, 100% BULLSHIT)...

Finally, an intelligent statement made by a (Republican, non-the-less!!) regarding access to contraceptives in Mexico (NOT referring to the part of how it will reduce illegal immigrants)

By Richard Cowan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A congressman is pushing a not-so-quick fix in the debate over illegal immigrants from Mexico: free contraceptives.
"A slower rate of growth of Mexico's population would improve the economy of Mexico. It would also reduce the environmental pressure on Mexico's ecosystem. But a slower rate of growth would also reduce the long-term illegal immigration pressure on America's borders," reasoned Rep. Mark Kirk, who also supports stronger border security in the short-term.
In reality, fertility rates have plunged in Mexico since 1980, when an average couple would have five or more children. Now, the country's fertility rate has dropped to 2.5 children, compared to 2.1 for the United States, according to United Nations data.
Kirk, an Illinois Republican, made the argument on Thursday during a heated debate in the House of Representatives over whether the U.S. government should be allowed to donate condoms and other contraceptives to family planning agencies abroad that also engage in abortion.
The proposal was narrowly approved by the House, over the protests of anti-abortion lawmakers who prefer sex abstinence education. The measure faces a veto threat from the White House.
Kirk, who attended college in Mexico and holds a master's degree from the London School of Economics, may have offered an idea that might appeal to some fiscal conservatives.
Shipping condoms to the poor in Mexico could be cheaper than the multibillion-dollar fence being constructed along the U.S.-Mexico border.


Am I completely off base to suggest that a lot of our problems could be solved with thorough sexual education and access to resposible forms of contraceptives?

Further, would an investment is helping provide contraceptives to developing countries (referring to places such as Africa) not pay dividends in the long run?

What does everyone think???

I went to a Convention in Mexico City back in 1979, and learned, among other things,

a) that more than half of the population of Mexico City (at that time) was under the age of 15

b) that the government was doing all it could to promote contraception

and

c) that the Roman Catholic Church was fighting against contraception.
 
This does not surprise in the least...

There is NO reason or logic within the Catholic Church.

Apparently, there is no such thing as an ecosystem.
Apparently, there is no such thing as overpopulation.
Apparently, the environment is of no concern to the Catholic Church.
Apparently, there is an endless supply of food in the Catholic Church.

It is my theory that the entire concept of the Catholic Church's "have as many babies as physically possible" is that of a business one:

MORE PEOPLE EQUAL MORE REVENUE/$$$$$$ FOR US.

Obviously, I am not a big fan of the Catholic Church...
 
This does not surprise in the least...

There is NO reason or logic within the Catholic Church.

Apparently, there is no such thing as an ecosystem.
Apparently, there is no such thing as overpopulation.
Apparently, the environment is of no concern to the Catholic Church.
Apparently, there is an endless supply of food in the Catholic Church.

It is my theory that the entire concept of the Catholic Church's "have as many babies as physically possible" is that of a business one:

MORE PEOPLE EQUAL MORE REVENUE/$$$$$$ FOR US.

Obviously, I am not a big fan of the Catholic Church...
I don't know if I buy the revenue reason. The Catholic Church is hopelessly wedded to the Biblical idea of sex being solely for procreation. Since the Pope and his college of RedBirds are celibate, they can't conceive (pun intended) that sex is also an expression of love and a powerful biological drive. Unless that changes .... homosexuality, masturbation and birth control (other than the virtual crap shoot rhythm method) will never be permitted.

For God's sake its the 21st century, time for them to join the rest of us in the effort to save this planet! :mad:
 
If that is true Smelter then how come so many Catholic leaders are diddling little bois?
 
If that is true Smelter then how come so many Catholic leaders are diddling little bois?
Perverts gravitate to socially repressed groups .... the Priesthood and Republicans are two examples that come to mind. :p
 
... The Catholic Church is hopelessly wedded to the Biblical idea of sex being solely for procreation....

There is absolutely no mention ANYWHERE in the Bible that sex is solely for procreation. That was another of those ideas that came looooong after the Bible was written...St. Jerome or something like that.
 
^^ Damn GA, for a second there I almost got out of my chair to genuflect! ;)
 
There is absolutely no mention ANYWHERE in the Bible that sex is solely for procreation. That was another of those ideas that came looooong after the Bible was written...St. Jerome or something like that.
I'll concede that point! All I know is what I was taught by the Sisters of Saint Corporal-Punishment for 12 years. They didn't like to be questioned when it came to matters of faith and I have the dislocated knuckles to prove it. :eek:
 
It appears that, although stirring some passionate debate, Smelter clarified the point that I was trying to make. I have personal issues with the Catholic Church (my mother teaches in one and is treated like a piece of shit - because she is a woman???), so my anger and dislike towards the Catholic Church tends to blur the point I am aiming for:

The Catholic church is woofully behind the times, and has progressed very little since its origin. How anyone takes the Catholic Church serious anymore is far beyond me.
 
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