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When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org/flo

White Eagle said:
You've gotten back to your old way of posting. I'm gonna have to see the cite on that in red. You have to prove by a reasonable cite that it is 50/50.
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I find it hilarious that Durango is talking communism. It's quaint. :lol:

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Durango95 said:
I see. Did you actually read this study? http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp Read this where it cites current law and restrictions.

If this was vigorously enforced, there would be no need for further regulation.
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As for that link, no I didn't read it nor will I. It's too long of a conservative issue that I won't believe anyway.
BUT, I will clarify my meaning of background checks. It is not in the sales from gun shops, it's these gun sales that ANYONE can go to and not have to obey the rules set up for gun shops. These people do not have a background check so, as I said anyone can go there. Maybe the Boston Terrorist? Someone that has just decided to kill someone and not be checked.

That is the wrong way to do things.
 
Murders by people wielding guns are down 39% says the DOJ.


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/...DOJ-Report-Gun-Murders-Down-39-From-1993-2011

The Department of Justice's latest report on gun violence by the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows a 39% drop in gun murders from 1993 to 2011. Non-fatal gun crimes are down 69%.

In 2011, homicides made up about 2% of all firearm-related crimes. During the same period, gun sales increased. Also, 60% of state inmates charged with gun crimes obtained their guns legally. Only 2% got their guns at a gun show:


60 percent of state prison inmates arrested for a gun-related crime obtained their guns legally: 37 percent from family or friends, 10 percent from a retail or pawn shop and just 2 percent from a gun show or flea market.
 
Yeah, the DOJ data shows the drop from '93 to around 2000 - and if criminals with guns are getting them LEGALLY, well, you do see where that's going.....
 
CERTAINLY NOT YOU LIBERAL HACKJOB!!!!!!

Everyone knows that those numbers mean no damn commie gun repression needed in the U S of FUKIN' A!


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HenryReardon said:
Murders by people wielding guns are down 39% says the DOJ.


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/...DOJ-Report-Gun-Murders-Down-39-From-1993-2011

The Department of Justice's latest report on gun violence by the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows a 39% drop in gun murders from 1993 to 2011. Non-fatal gun crimes are down 69%.

In 2011, homicides made up about 2% of all firearm-related crimes. During the same period, gun sales increased. Also, 60% of state inmates charged with gun crimes obtained their guns legally. Only 2% got their guns at a gun show:


60 percent of state prison inmates arrested for a gun-related crime obtained their guns legally: 37 percent from family or friends, 10 percent from a retail or pawn shop and just 2 percent from a gun show or flea market.
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Henry, that's not even close to what the title of the thread says. It's about locking up the guns that are legal so kids can't get to them and kill more 2 year olds.
 
If three people were involved, as suspected, it was a conspiracy. Two is enough.
 
The report by the DOJ indicates that there is no need for further gun laws. The ones we have seem to be working.
 
mitchymo said:
PMSL. Sorry but the website which Durango linked to, the Justfacts one, reported that only 33% of criminals are deterred from committing a crime against someone they believed to have a gun, so 2/3rds are not going to be phased even with your firearms. That poor level of success in guns as a deterrent, when combined with the collateral damage from homicide, suicide and accidents tells a very different story.
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What part of firearms homicides have decreased by 39% did you fail to comprehend.
The laws already on the books are working. Case closed. No need for more 'feel-good' legislation.
 
HenryReardon said:
The report by the DOJ indicates that there is no need for further gun laws. The ones we have seem to be working.
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OK right wingers, you can't have it both ways - either our "gun laws" are working or they aren't.

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HenryReardon said:
What part of firearms homicides have decreased by 39% did you fail to comprehend.
The laws already on the books are working. Case closed. No need for more 'feel-good' legislation.
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OH good, it seems your argument is with Durango!


LOL
 
HenryReardon said:
What part of firearms homicides have decreased by 39% did you fail to comprehend.
The laws already on the books are working. Case closed. No need for more 'feel-good' legislation.
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What part of Criminals getting firearms legally did you fail to understand?
 
mitchymo;8877770 Gay-bashings are down by 90% compared to yesterday said:
The one has nothing to do with the other. And since you bring it up, so-called gay marriage is a joke.
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HenryReardon said:
What part of firearms homicides have decreased by 39% did you fail to comprehend.
The laws already on the books are working. Case closed. No need for more 'feel-good' legislation.
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I can think of about 30,000 arguments to your claim, every 12 months.
 
Here's an interesting way to look at the "falling" gun death rate in the US:

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It's obviously a bit of a stretch to claim success came in any major way from the Assault Weapons ban - correlation /=/ causation. The reality is that properly addressing the crack cocaine epidemic in the US in the early to mid nineties is attributed by many experts as a significant factor. Higher incarceration levels, particularly of drug-related criminals, and better policing technologies are also considered to be factors. New York had a major success in gun crime reduction in the same period by introducing a zero tolerance gun policing policy.

The reality is that the entire western world has seen a general reduction of crime rates in the past 15-20 years.
 
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