Attention Where did the Mesa cop shooting thread go?

[Kulindahr]

There is an article in the local paper that this same California "creep" now has an arrest warrant out of Canada for making the same call (the threats were almost the same) on a woman in an apartment. However the woman somehow figured out she thought she was a victim of swatting and made contact with on-scene Officers as they were clearing out the apartments.

One gun site has recommended that if multiple officers/units come to your house and demand you appear to go out in underwear only -- preferably snug underwear so it's obvious there's no hidden weapon.

Though one comment noted that some officers are paranoid enough to think "Maybe he's got a gun in the waistband in back"... to which the obvious response was "turn around slowly, hands up".

 

[KaraBulut]

The real problem is that -- as many police themselves have admitted online and elsewhere -- police have no rules of engagement; former soldiers who have become police are astounded at how much more strict the rules were for firing their weapon when in Iraq or Afghanistan than as cops on the streets of America. If there were defined ROEs, things would be a lot clearer.

By equating Iraq/Afghanistan to the streets of America, you have defined exactly why we have a problem.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Many rural owners have multiple guns because of multiple uses: sidearm for the woods, sidearm for self defense, bunny gun, varmint gun, deer rifle, elk rifle, bear rifle, shotguns for different purposes, and so on. Many have rifles just for fun; I know at least three guys with lever-action rifles just for the uniqueness (and a touch of Annie Oakley fanship), and a dozen or more who have rifles handed down since the Civil War or before. There are guys who collect war rifles; I know one with a rifle from every American conflict since the Civil War, including the different areas of action (and often both sides of the conflict) -- that alone is a couple of dozen. And most of them get shot just once a year to be sure they still work, often on a day associated with the specific war.

The second quote was not mine. I was quoting another poster and responding.

 

[Alistair]

Unfortunately Jason, this is the reason cops are going to continue to shot first and ask questions later

An Arkansas 17-year-old who was a passenger in a car stopped for speeding early Sunday is seen pulling a gun and firing at officers before he was killed by police

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/1...tting-killed-by-police-dashcam-shows.amp.html

The video is graphic, but notice the cops did try less than lethal defense to begin with.

 

[Telstra]

Unfortunately Jason, this is the reason cops are going to continue to shot first and ask questions later



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/1...tting-killed-by-police-dashcam-shows.amp.html

The video is graphic, but notice the cops did try less than lethal defense to begin with.

The police did the right thing on this one.
The mesa shooting, the police was in the wrong.

 

[Kulindahr]

By equating Iraq/Afghanistan to the streets of America, you have defined exactly why we have a problem.

I equated nothing -- former Marines who are now police were pointing out how ludicrous it is that a soldier in a combat zone is more restricted in when he is allowed to fire his weapon than are police in our own cities.

But therein lies another problem, that too many former military people who become police have the attitude of an army of occupation in hostile territory, something they bring from where they've been.

 

[Kulindahr]

Unfortunately Jason, this is the reason cops are going to continue to shot first and ask questions later



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/1...tting-killed-by-police-dashcam-shows.amp.html

The video is graphic, but notice the cops did try less than lethal defense to begin with.

The police did the right thing on this one.
The mesa shooting, the police was in the wrong.

The difference between the two incidents just points up the problem: there are no set rules of engagement, so police are left entirely on their own as to whether or not to shoot someone -- and since the blue line of silence (a term I learned from a cop) is so firmly tribal, police who are trigger-happy all too often get nothing but a two-week paid vacation before they're sent back out to endanger the public.

 

[Dominus]

This story also angers me about the police shooting and gun laws in the US
Australian woman Justine Damond shot dead by police in Minneapolis

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-woman-shot-dead-by-police-in-minneapolis/8714330

Mohammed Noor just got found guilty of 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.

http://m.startribune.com/mohamed-no...ruszczyk-damond-minneapolis-police/509224642/

This is just a sad situation regardless of how you view it.

 

[Telstra]

Right -- the country's foremost gun safety organization, trusted by police and sheriff department everywhere to train personnel, trusted by about forty states to train citizens in safe use, is responsible.

Give me a break -- the people who decide to misuse guns are responsible for the deaths they inflict.

But there is no gun license at this moment correct ?
Anyone can buy a gun like buying a knife correct ?