Where's the Outrage: Republican Calls Mrs. Obama a "Gorilla!"

[Apollo]

Although better at hiding it, Democrats are just as racist and homophobic

I'm surprised that you are opposed to racism and bigotry but so blatantly engage in partisan prejudice and stereotyping

Partisan prejudice and stereotypes don't damage or demean someone. Nor does it make someone a second class citizen, although republicans do try hard enough to do that to us.

 

[jackoroe]

See, being a tactless moron crosses party lines!

 

[Spensed]

See, being a tactless moron crosses party lines!

Oh, I hardly think you need to look to Palin's involvement with the SNL incest and underage rape jokes to appreciate that she's a tactless moron, just her denial of benefits to gay couples.

 

[Spensed]

When did SNL make jokes of a sexual nature regarding Willow? I missed that.

I gave you the link, which refers to "daughters". Willow is a daughter. LOL.

Here it is again. Click on the YouTube logo.: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRXQ2ZueP5c[/ame]

Not to burst anyone's bubble but it was our tabloid-style American mainstream media that made this a story and manufactured a reason (AGEA and the pipeline) to talk to Palin to fuel this joke story.

True but Palin & Co fanned the flames to their own political advantage.

Anti-sex and anti-gay mob? N.O.W. as well as many other liberal organizations that support women's rights were also outraged at the Letterman joke. How are people that support moral sexual behavior anti-sex? Are gay groups that promote abstinence as a way of defending against HIV also anti-sex? It has been proven that sexual morality leads to a better, long-term, sexual relationship with a sig. other and less opportunity for std transmission, unwanted pregnancy, etc.. Why are you putting down people who preach this calling them an anti-sex mob?

Obviously, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but Palin's appeal is to a dangerously anti-sex and anti-gay mob mentality.

The rest of what you say really is off topic. But who says sexual morality leads to what you claim it does and that it need not include safe sex education, conception and actually having sex?

The problem with Palin isn't her advocacy of abstinence. It's her over-reliance on it at the expense of safe sex education, contraception, sexual expression and the demonstrable irony that she can't even exercise enough diligence with her own daughter to prevent her from becoming an unwed teen mother.

I'm not claiming that people who preach abstinence are an anti-gay and anti-sex mob, just those who support Palin, her bigotry against gays and, indeed, against mature teenagers (or, indeed, unmarried adults), who want to fool around with each other safely and knowledgeably.

 

[Spensed]

Saw the vid clip, funny, taste-less and again involving the underage daughters. However, Palin has not boycotted or refused to ever appear on the Late Show so I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

The point is that Palin is a phony and a hypocrite, complaining when one show (she hasn't appeared on or been associated with) makes a "rape joke" involving her underage daughter, but not complaining when another show (she has appeared on, while campaigning,) makes exactly the same kind of jokes.

Why does she think the SNL jokes, which she never complained about, are OK, but the Letterman joke isn't?

That's why I said she should be demanding an apology from herself for being associated with this kind of filth. LOL.

 

[Apollo]

I disagree. There are all kinds of demeaning comments made toward people of a certain polical party which does ZERO to incite healthy debate and compromise.

"although republicans do try hard enough to do that to us." Yet it was Democrats that enabled DADT, DOMA and the ever so popular "Abort that third term baby but NO gay marriage Obama". I don't understand the delusion gay men have that Democrats are on their side. There are many Republicans that will honor gay marriage as long as it is left to the state's to decide.

I know of no one who supports late term abortion. Democrat or republican.

Those republicans that support state gay marriage don't have the power. It's the republicans who don't support that or gay rights that have the power.

Yes, it is under Dem's that DADT was enacted. I still would trust dem's more to give me full gay rights over republicans anyday, Especially with the crazy, radical christians running the show still.

 

[Sondrith]

Because satire and parody are constitutionally protected speech.

Please point out where I claimed it wasn't. No one ever called for David Letterman should be arrested or charged with a crime.

But, of course, especially to anyone listening at the time, raping a child and which of Palin's daughters was involved, wasn't what the joke was about. It was about Rodriguez' allegedly rampant sexuality and the inability of a sexual moralist, like Palin, to keep her own daughter from becoming an unwed mother. Few viewers would have known that Palin was even at the game and, even less, and with which daughter, if any.

Again I've proved that though unintentional, that is exactly what the joke became. You just for whatever reason just cant seem to grasp logic. (My guess is your disdain for Gov Palin.)

It only became more than that, when the Palin and her posse got their teeth in it as a good way of sparking up the anti-sex and anti-gay mob, who support her.

I don't hear Gov Palin saying anyting about anti-sex or anti-gay anything. It became more than that when it came out that the target turned out to be the 14 year old Willow, not the 18 year old Bristol.

I doubt whether Michele Obama would be happy to appear on a show that tried to link her to a gorilla. Yet Palin had no problem appearing on SNL, and being associated with, its incest and underage daughter rape jokes and now suddenly they're are problem.

People do alot of things that they don't care to during an election. The popularity of the skit on SNL pretty much demanded that she appear. Though I really doubt Gov Palin was clammoring for time on SNL

Shouldn't Palin be calling on herself for an apology? LOL.

Doubt it, though it was completely appropriate to call for an apology when someone jokes about the rape of one of her daughters.

 

[Spensed]

Please point out where I claimed it wasn't. No one ever called for David Letterman should be arrested or charged with a crime.

I never said you claimed that satire and parody weren't protected speech or that you called for Letterman to be arrested or charge.

Are you arguing with the voices only you can hear? LOL.

Again I've proved that though unintentional, that is exactly what the joke became. You just for whatever reason just cant seem to grasp logic. (My guess is your disdain for Gov Palin.)

Repeating that you've proved something doesn't mean you've proved anything other than that you're protesting too much.

You don't address the point that, when the joke was made, almost no one knew or cared whether Palin or any of her daughters were at the game or that the clear thrust of the joke wasn't about rape, but about Rodriguez and Palin's illegitimate grandson.

You have to import rape into the picture by reference to the Penal Code, finding out which daughter was at the game. pretending that she was somehow damaged by the joke, etc., etc. It's political correctness used for political expediency.

I don't hear Gov Palin saying anyting about anti-sex or anti-gay anything. It became more than that when it came out that the target turned out to be the 14 year old Willow, not the 18 year old Bristol.

For the reason stated above and as Letterman has since made clear, the target was never Willow. It was the failure of Palin's abstinence based morality with her own daughter juxtaposed with Rodriguez that make the joke funny. The thought of Rodriguez raping 14 year old Willow Palin is grotesque and wouldn't have been funny to anyone, whether the rape was violent or statutory. That's simply not what the joke was ever about.

Two Arabs are sitting in the window and middle seats on a plane.
The Arabs ask the Jew sitting in the aisle seat to get them a glass of
orange juice so they won't have to crawl over him. While he is up getting
the drinks, they spit in his shoes. When they are about to land the
Jewish guy puts on his shoes and realizes what has happened. He complains
to the Arabs, "When will it all end? The hatred... the violence... the
killing... the spitting in shoes... the peeing in orange juice..."

http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q2/peejuice.html

Worrying about whether peeing in orange juice breaks some section of the New York Penal Code has nothing to do with what the joke is about.

Likewise, the fact that the New York Penal Code would deem that Rodriguez raped Willow in some joke hypothetical fact pattern isn't what the joke is about.

It's just political correctness gone haywire.

People do alot of things that they don't care to during an election. The popularity of the skit on SNL pretty much demanded that she appear. Though I really doubt Gov Palin was clammoring for time on SNL

She freely chose to appear on SNL It was a surprise to everyone. And she said nothing about the incest or rape jokes clearly targeting both daughters.

Doubt it, though it was completely appropriate to call for an apology when someone jokes about the rape of one of her daughters.

And yet instead, she participated in a show that did exactly that without complaint before, during or after. Give us a break.

You can't rationalize her inconsistent reponses to Letterman and SNL other than by seeing Palin as what she is, a phony and a hypocrite.

 

[Sondrith]

I never said you claimed that satire and parody weren't protected speech or that you called for Letterman to be arrested or charge.

Are you arguing with the voices only you can hear? LOL.

God help me if you're the voice I hear in my head or that I hear voices at all.. I apologize, I misread the meaning behind your comment. Going back through your discourse with Chilljockchi. Again I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Repeating that you've proved something doesn't mean you've proved anything other than that you're protesting too much.

You don't address the point that, when the joke was made, almost no one knew or cared whether Palin or any of her daughters were at the game or that the clear thrust of the joke wasn't about rape, but about Rodriguez and Palin's illegitimate grandson.

You have to import rape into the picture by reference to the Penal Code, finding out which daughter was at the game. pretending that she was somehow damaged by the joke, etc., etc. It's political correctness used for political expediency.

Actually I have said over and over again that Willow Palin wasn't the intended target of the joke. The problem arises because she was the only daughter to accompany Gov. Palin to the baseball game, thus she became the taget of the joke. Whether people hearing the joke knew who was there is irrelevant because it's about the specific comment. The fact that thoes telling the joke didn't know only means that they didn't do their homework.

The references to to NY State statutes are simply to show how the joke became, albeit unintentionally about rape.

I'm not a politician so my comments really have nothing to do with political expediency.

For the reason stated above and as Letterman has since made clear, the target was never Willow. It was the failure of Palin's abstinence based morality with her own daughter juxtaposed with Rodriguez that make the joke funny. The thought of Rodriguez raping 14 year old Willow Palin is grotesque and wouldn't have been funny to anyone, whether the rape was violent or statutory. That's simply not what the joke was ever about.

Unfortunately despite what Mr. Letterman may have intended, the fact that Willow, not Bristol was attending the game and the wording of the joke, made her the unintentional target and thus the joke became about rape.

She freely chose to appear on SNL It was a surprise to everyone. And she said nothing about the incest or rape jokes clearly targeting both daughters.




And yet instead, she participated in a show that did exactly that without complaint before, during or after. Give us a break.

You can't rationalize her inconsistent reponses to Letterman and SNL other than by seeing Palin as what she is, a phony and a hypocrite.

Whether Gov. Palin is a hypocrite or not really isn't the issue. Nor is her specific respone to the joke. However at the time Gov. Palin was campaining for an elected office and because of the poularity of the Tina Fey impression, the McCain campaign obviously felt that the appearance was appropriate and needed. It has absolutely nothing to do with Gov Palin's personal views on the show.

Are you telling me that during a campaign for the White House, Gov Palin could just show up at a taping of SNL without any coodination between the show and the campaign? Her being on the show was only a suprise to the viewers.

 

[Spensed]

Actually I have said over and over again that Willow Palin wasn't the intended target of the joke. The problem arises because she was the only daughter to accompany Gov. Palin to the baseball game, thus she became the taget of the joke. Whether people hearing the joke knew who was there is irrelevant because it's about the specific comment. The fact that thoes telling the joke didn't know only means that they didn't do their homework.

The references to to NY State statutes are simply to show how the joke became, albeit unintentionally about rape.

It's political correctness gone crazy to require jokes to be treated as if they were humorous news reports, which is what you're doing.

I'm not a politician so my comments really have nothing to do with political expediency.

Maybe not. But analogous comments from Palin and/or her supporters do.

Unfortunately despite what Mr. Letterman may have intended, the fact that Willow, not Bristol was attending the game and the wording of the joke, made her the unintentional target and thus the joke became about rape.

Horse feathers. For the reasons previously stated.

Whether Gov. Palin is a hypocrite or not really isn't the issue.

Palin could have complained about the SNL jokes, after she appeared on SNL, but she didn't.

So, according to Palin's actions or inactions, jokes about incest and raping her daughters are OK, if she's involved with the TV show, on which they're made. But not, if she's not. Is that the idea? LOL.

 

[Spensed]

Again we have a democratic president and vp who use their Christianity to develop their policy of no gay marriage. I don't see this any better than a republican you speak of doing it. At least Sarah Palin said it should be up to the states. Any repub. that says any different than that is not a real republican.

By your own test, Palin isn't a real Republican then.

She supports the previously proposed Federal Marriage Amendment to the US Constitution that would restrict all marriages in the US to only those between one man and one woman.

Her reactionary position received some publicity during the Presidential election, because McCain opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment and, unlike her, did believe that gay marriage should be left to each State to decide.

Brody: On Constitutional marriage amendment , are, are you for something like that?

Palin: I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage. I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.​

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http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/a...s-support-for-federal-marriage-amendment.aspx

 

[Spensed]

Some JUB posters take to the streets? LOL.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/letterman-protest-draws-m_n_216566.html

 

[Sondrith]

Horse feathers. For the reasons previously stated.

So a 34 year old man having sex with a 14 year old child is what in your book?

 

[Sondrith]

Some JUB posters take to the streets? LOL.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/letterman-protest-draws-m_n_216566.html

Now that's actually funny, I do believe that I said that all this was unnecessary, especially now sense Mr. Letterman apologized.

 

[Sondrith]

^^^
Your probably just mad you couldn't be there..

You'd be the guy waving a sign w/the N.Y.State penal code about rape on it..

Actually I refer you to post #150 in the closed thread on this topic. You know the one where I stated:

"I don't believe that sponsers should be held accountable and I don't believe that Mr. Letterman should lose sponsors. People should be allowed to watch him or not or buy the products of his sponsers. "

As I never called for protests, boycotts or anything other than an apology for a joke that went too far, I'm not really certain how you came to that conclusion

 

[Spensed]

So a 34 year old man having sex with a 14 year old child is what in your book?

The same as it is to you and to most other people in Letterman's audience, who would have horrified if that's what the joke was "about".

If Willow had been raped or assaulted and Letterman had joked about it, you would be right. But she wasn't and he didn't.

Palin never complained about effectively the same joke on SNL or on Leno (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/leno-told-similar-joke-ab_n_215261.html) and probably elsewhere because she knew, in common with the rest of the audience for those jokes, that they were just jokes (and not, as I keep saying, humorous news reports).

In this case, Palin saw an opportunity to stop Letterman's ongoing political attacks on her and she took it.

Now, I do have some sympathy with the point that old white men shouldn't be finding humor in the idea of underage girls having sex. But you're not going to substitute education and the evolution of attitudes by force feeding political correctness. If anything, trying to do that has the opposite effect.

My guess is that now there'll be more Willow Palin jokes, in the comedy clubs, bars, on the Internet and so on, "than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

 

[zachhh]

you're worried about what some staffer said when we have late night talk show hosts calling someone a slutty stewardess... that's outrageous

 

[Kurn]

Mr. DePass is an unfortunate and embarassing ignoramus. The Republican Party should hire a professor or professors of the corresponding corrective disciplines and have this case of wilful dementication ameliorated. If his reading level is low there are books in the children's and youth sections that can broaden his outlook and deepen his understanding.
He and those who talk like him are deeply embarassing to America and to the Republican party. The fact that Americans of all races have died in the Middle East makes such thinking and ignorance appalling.
Someone tell him that and tell him that he is in need of Educational discipline of the kind I have mentioned.
And don't say it won't do any good, because it does.