Whither CE&P?

[maxpowr9]

I personally wanted to avoid this topic but I was told to contribute something.

I do say it is quite disturbing how some people post in CE&P. I remind myself that CE&P is a no-flame zone and do my best to avoid any personal attacks on people and it is something I wish the mods would take more serious. The only times I will ever get personal in CE&P is when the person says something hypocritical and needs to be dealt with.
I feel that sadly, CE&P mimics that of our national politics: the vocal fringes make the most noise while the moderates get silenced. Being part of the middle, it's tiring to witness the feces throwing on both sides, especially when people harp on with labels and name calling like a broken record. You can express yourself politically without being rude; doing so is bad character.

As I said, being part of the middle I'm sure this post will go unnoticed by the rancor on both sides.

 

[BostonPirate]

I don't want to make those that disagree go away, or shut up, cowboy. I just want them to play by all the same rules as the rest of us.

I think that chance's posting style is a disservice to his positions, and maddening, but not against the rules....lol.

Challenging the majority is what america is all about.

Insulting people for expressing an individual with a name that makes them lose their individuality is however not free thinking... its small thinking.

 

[CowboyBob]

jack?

The jubber clubber thing that chance does is beyond old.

Frankly I am sick of it and left for a few months over it. If it continues, I will just fade away, with my membership as others here have and will do if it continues.

To have the constant harrassment of one member just because you happen to agree with the majority of people that post is fucking old and beyond what is acceptable as tollerable.

Opinterph removed shit that was FAR less offensive than what chance has posted in this thread, and my belief in the fair nature of the moderation staff has more than wavered in the last few months ... it has shattered, to be honest.

Chance needs to accept that if he wants to express a minority position, then logically the majority of people are going to disagree with him. If he can't do that.. if its either agree or be badgered by incessant "insult by phrase" (only one step up from death by papercuts) , I choose to take my business and my time elsewhere. I would also strongly suggest that others consider this and do the same.

Its beyond time for the jubberclubber insults to just god damned stop.

I have had more than one instance where everyone disagreed with me, and I didn't latch onto an insult meant to demean my fellow members and repeat it incessantly in post after post.

I think, Jack, that it would be nice if you could explain to me why this thread and others are moderated with double standards.

It is beyond old. He's clinging on to that phrase on like an old woman clinging to her butterscotch Lifesavers. It's pretty sad when he can't come up with a genuine opinion on a topic and can only lash out with his pettiness at those who don't agree with him.

Altho JUB staff keeps their cards close to their chests, but I'm assuming the OP of the thread reported my posts and demanded they be removed as "off topic" even tho they were on topic. It's his style to want posts removed as he's done it in the past. He's also lashed out to other members he's mad at with racist slurs and insults. Now he whines about how CE&P has become a toilet when he's the one shitting in it. He even got mad and threw insults at everyone who didn't respond and agree with him and admin removed that also.

Many others have noticed how uneven the moderation is in this forum. Some get away with that personal crap all the time.

 

[JayHawk]

I could tend to agree that the MODS could impose the rules upon every time a poster called another poster a name.

If fact they should exercise their right to remove the entire post instead of editing for the rule breaking member.

I also get quite a tickle out of the "Take my ball and go home crowd" it is rather amusing since they always come back with a few rare exceptions. SO for those of you desiring to take your business elsewhere? Feel free to find the other JUB out there...it doesn't exist....so good luck.

Oh and since we are talking older than old...that pic of me sky high occurred about 18 years ago....

 

[BostonPirate]

I could tend to agree that the MODS could impose the rules upon every time a poster called another poster a name.

If fact they should exercise their right to remove the entire post instead of editing for the rule breaking member.

I also get quite a tickle out of the "Take my ball and go home crowd" it is rather amusing since they always come back with a few rare exceptions. SO for those of you desiring to take your business elsewhere? Feel free to find the other JUB out there...it doesn't exist....so good luck.

Oh and since we are talking older than old...that pic of me sky high occurred about 18 years ago....

so your best advice is...

disagree with me? hate the way I treat you? go ahead and leave.

classy stuff there. If this is the policy of JUB, it needs to be told to me RIGHT NOW by one of the representatives of the business, instead of a non paid member who loves to give advice telling people to leave, but has a hard time taking any input whatsoever.

 

[chance1]

one.. the question went to jack.

Second...if you have a problem with Progressives, or democrats, that's fine. Demeaning us as members of the site we ALL belong to is disrespectful of the group, and its name calling, which is forbidden by the rules of membership.

You think I don't get editted and deleted? each time I try to use a mod action taken in reference to a post of mine to change how I post.

You seem more intent on subverting the rules than learning how they are applied.

I know it was to Jack - you're attempting to remove something of mine while espousing extreme progressivism - I find that .....

Transparently curious bad lame insert similar terms

I love progressives who are passionate and make their case - love it

They don't demean the opposition

The "right" to insult and demean repubs cons etc is not one to be cherished

Yet it is

And sorry but you're self depiction of moderation doesn't reflect reality

Not real world reality

I think you're smart which is why I give u shit about the Herman Cain black conservative thing

Anyway ..........

Get a new avatar will ya?

 

[chance1]

It is beyond old. He's clinging on to that phrase on like an old woman clinging to her butterscotch Lifesavers. It's pretty sad when he can't come up with a genuine opinion on a topic and can only lash out with his pettiness at those who don't agree with him.

Altho JUB staff keeps their cards close to their chests, but I'm assuming the OP of the thread reported my posts and demanded they be removed as "off topic" even tho they were on topic. It's his style to want posts removed as he's done it in the past. He's also lashed out to other members he's mad at with racist slurs and insults. Now he whines about how CE&P has become a toilet when he's the one shitting in it. He even got mad and threw insults at everyone who didn't respond and agree with him and admin removed that also.

Many others have noticed how uneven the moderation is in this forum. Some get away with that personal crap all the time.

butterscotch lifesavers? man that's harsh

my opinions are expressed - in a manner that u frequently bash - haiku, etc. - i don't complain about it - i don't whine about it - do what u please

u - rareboy - BP - take pot shots at me all the time

bring it

and u want JUBBERclubbers as a term written from the dictionary - 1984 style

pathetic

as for your "inside JUB" this/that mod is out to get me ..........

meh

keep it real cowboy bob

first time for everythang

 

[BostonPirate]

If your last refuge is to call people names for having an opinion that is widespread, then you have an issue.

discussing actions of politicians is different than demeaning people that are having a conversation with you.

the right to call fellow posters names with impunity is disruptive. I can't recall how many times you have intentionally derailed a thread that you didn't like by doing that shit.

The behavior is childish and it makes your positions seem small and indefensible. Your fellow conservatives do you a disservice by not telling you this.

Rail on progressives all you want. You do it anyway. but for the love of god, can you find a way to do it without being the master baiter of the CE&P forum?

The namecalling crap needs to stop. I for one would take you far more seriously.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Chance, you're not doing yourself a favor here. Cool it. I see your point, but you're justifying exactly what BostonPirate and others are saying about you here.

Alright, I will weigh in more deeply on this thread.

Over the last few months, there's actually been a cleansing on this forum. Justapixel, Navigaytion, CTFoSD (sp?), have all been banned. JayQueer has mostly left the Political forum (now that we know his political beliefs are fictional), LaikaNYC has vanished, and JB3 (sometimes quite partisan) has taken a self-prescribed vacation. These events have actually benefited the dialogue on this forum.

Most of the individuals above were guilty of the following:
1. Created non-sensical threads that offered no political discussion except to antagonize other forumers like focusing on Obama's teleprompter, or comparing mothers to the OWS movement.

2. Provided no sources to back up assumptions and false information.

3. Created a thread with only a source and would not provide much personal commentary nor respond directly to other JUB members who challenged such topics.

4. Refusal to reply back to rebuttals. Only their opinion was important. They'd swoop into a thread, reply in an ad hominem at a particular poster, then disappear.

All of these made debating on the forum very difficult, and after several times of being called on such abusive behavior, it was nice to see something was done about it.


As for moving forward, here are a couple of ideas I have to share:

1. The OWS movement - It's not that the "left" doesn't want criticism of the OWS movement, it's only that JUB members want it to be respected. There are now several members in this community that consider themselves part of the 99% Movement. We've moved beyond "dirty, lazy, hippies" as an appropriate comment when addressing participants of Occupy Wall Street. It's now time to debate the merits of the Movement and focus on its issues instead of relying on personal attacks of people involved. Can we all at least agree on that?

2. Deflecting Tempers - Here's an idea of how to keep the discussion civil and less personal with ad hominem attacks that drags down the debate on a topic. One thing that Jackoroe and I have been doing for awhile is taking the discussion outside the forum. When we've reached an impasse in a debate, we'll send a personal comment or a private message to each other explaining our views on a more personal level. After a couple of message exchanges, we've got it out of our system and we've moved on. Taking ourselves out of that "public" spotlight and sometimes privately reconnecting to each other's humanity reminds us that despite different beliefs, we're still human in this together.

 

[chance1]

Chance, you're not doing yourself a favor here. Cool it. I see your point, but you're justifying exactly what BostonPirate and others are saying about you here.

Alright, I will weigh in more deeply on this thread.

Over the last few months, there's actually been a cleansing on this forum. Justapixel, Navigaytion, CTFoSD (sp?), have all been banned. JayQueer has mostly left the Political forum (now that we know his political beliefs are fictional), LaikaNYC has vanished, and JB3 (sometimes quite partisan) has taken a self-prescribed vacation. These events have actually benefited the dialogue on this forum.

Most of the individuals above were guilty of the following:
1. Created non-sensical threads that offered no political discussion except to antagonize other forumers like focusing on Obama's teleprompter, or comparing mothers to the OWS movement.

2. Provided no sources to back up assumptions and false information.

3. Created a thread with only a source and would not provide much personal commentary nor respond directly to other JUB members who challenged such topics.

4. Refusal to reply back to rebuttals. Only their opinion was important. They'd swoop into a thread, reply in an ad hominem at a particular poster, then disappear.

All of these made debating on the forum very difficult, and after several times of being called on such abusive behavior, it was nice to see something was done about it.


As for moving forward, here are a couple of ideas I have to share:

1. The OWS movement - It's not that the "left" doesn't want criticism of the OWS movement, it's only that JUB members want it to be respected. There are now several members in this community that consider themselves part of the 99% Movement. We've moved beyond "dirty, lazy, hippies" as an appropriate comment when addressing participants of Occupy Wall Street. It's now time to debate the merits of the Movement and focus on its issues instead of relying on personal attacks of people involved. Can we all at least agree on that?

2. Deflecting Tempers - Here's an idea of how to keep the discussion civil and less personal with ad hominem attacks that drags down the debate on a topic. One thing that Jackoroe and I have been doing for awhile is taking the discussion outside the forum. When we've reached an impasse in a debate, we'll send a personal comment or a private message to each other explaining our views on a more personal level. After a couple of message exchanges, we've got it out of our system and we've moved on. Taking ourselves out of that "public" spotlight and sometimes privately reconnecting to each other's humanity reminds us that despite different beliefs, we're still human in this together.

wow

surprise surprise

I think your "take" on stuff and advice is self serving and over the top egotistical

what nerve actually

u speak with glee about "cleansing"

with your "inside JUB" nonsense - i don't know about any bannings or whatever but my take is you and others who do spend far too much time on this nonsense - u need to find more to do

i'm bummed because I actually thought u were quite the decent sort

but perhaps this OWS thing has gone to your head - inflationary impact and all

and u talk about nonsense threads - as if u r the judge of such

how about chris robin bullshit michelle bachman threads where ur buddies pile on about her vagina

so get real

i suggest u get your own website and make your own rules

u just want to play in the sandbox with like minded people and eliminate the ones who aren't

the idea that the place is better because the above left ........ is yours

i think the place was better when some of ur fellow clubbers flew the coop but alas they crawled back

they're bullies and it appears u r as well

it's obvious

it's fucking 1984 - all animals are created equal ........... some animals are more equal than others

it's obvious that this is more important to you and the other JUBBERclubbers

so frankly whatever

 

[chance1]

WOW dude! You've lost it! Just18 and I don't even get along and he spanked your ass! He gave you the opportunity to be the bigger person, and you shat that down your leg. How sad for you. Why couldn't you take him up on his offer? It demonstrates how the wing nuts only know ad hominems and parroting logical fallacies. Are you really that obstinate to realize just how wrong you are? I wonder about wing nuts mental health after the past 2 years, given their behavior. I think many, if not most, if not all, are mentally ill. That includes you Chance1, prove me wrong......


You can't.

are you "flitting"? ask cowboy bob what that is - damned if i know - but i think ur flitting

just18 fancies himself some kind of a conscience here and last i looked ........

and his happiness over banned members - all of whom happened to be philosophically opposed to him .......... made me want to vomit

as did his "new rules" approach - i'm thinking bill maher can get away with that shit

not just

and his u need to respect OWS thingy

well

fuck that as well

so sorry ur bummed

but i gotta be me

who else would i be?

 

[Jack Springer]

Chance, you're not doing yourself a favor here. Cool it. I see your point, but you're justifying exactly what BostonPirate and others are saying about you here.

Alright, I will weigh in more deeply on this thread.

Over the last few months, there's actually been a cleansing on this forum. Justapixel, Navigaytion, CTFoSD (sp?), have all been banned. JayQueer has mostly left the Political forum (now that we know his political beliefs are fictional), LaikaNYC has vanished, and JB3 (sometimes quite partisan) has taken a self-prescribed vacation. These events have actually benefited the dialogue on this forum.

Most of the individuals above were guilty of the following:
1. Created non-sensical threads that offered no political discussion except to antagonize other forumers like focusing on Obama's teleprompter, or comparing mothers to the OWS movement.

2. Provided no sources to back up assumptions and false information.

3. Created a thread with only a source and would not provide much personal commentary nor respond directly to other JUB members who challenged such topics.

4. Refusal to reply back to rebuttals. Only their opinion was important. They'd swoop into a thread, reply in an ad hominem at a particular poster, then disappear.

All of these made debating on the forum very difficult, and after several times of being called on such abusive behavior, it was nice to see something was done about it.


As for moving forward, here are a couple of ideas I have to share:

1. The OWS movement - It's not that the "left" doesn't want criticism of the OWS movement, it's only that JUB members want it to be respected. There are now several members in this community that consider themselves part of the 99% Movement. We've moved beyond "dirty, lazy, hippies" as an appropriate comment when addressing participants of Occupy Wall Street. It's now time to debate the merits of the Movement and focus on its issues instead of relying on personal attacks of people involved. Can we all at least agree on that?

2. Deflecting Tempers - Here's an idea of how to keep the discussion civil and less personal with ad hominem attacks that drags down the debate on a topic. One thing that Jackoroe and I have been doing for awhile is taking the discussion outside the forum. When we've reached an impasse in a debate, we'll send a personal comment or a private message to each other explaining our views on a more personal level. After a couple of message exchanges, we've got it out of our system and we've moved on. Taking ourselves out of that "public" spotlight and sometimes privately reconnecting to each other's humanity reminds us that despite different beliefs, we're still human in this together.

So what you and some others are saying is that if everyone thinks, formats their posts, and does you what want -- everything will be fine.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with you about the occupy movement. They have not gained my respect, they are not a movement, they don't have leadership, they don't have any idea of what they want, they have conducted themselves in bad form by their disrespect of the property rights of others. I don't see The Tea Party given any respect here by most of the posters and they didn't present themselves as spoiled children.

I've been called all kinds of names here and harrassed, I'm a big boy, I can take it. One person has sent me many offensive forum comments. I'll defend myself. I have a right to my beliefs.

My suggestion if anyone wants to chat in a group that will agree with you 100% go to dailykos.com or freerepublic.com.

I'll keep coming around but I'd hate to see people like Chance leave. I think he has more of an open mind that most on here.

I'm sure that many on here would be happy if I went away.

 

[chance1]

^^ Jack - that's why it's a .............. CLUB

clubs only want people like themselves

and i'll leave when i'm good and ready not before so no worries Jack

and i'm guessing the PMs were from cowboy bob - he sent me several as well - troubling but not far removed from his posting style so no biggie

 

[JayHawk]

so your best advice is...

disagree with me? hate the way I treat you? go ahead and leave.

classy stuff there. If this is the policy of JUB, it needs to be told to me RIGHT NOW by one of the representatives of the business, instead of a non paid member who loves to give advice telling people to leave, but has a hard time taking any input whatsoever.

No i just don't get the emotional responses to a web forum. At least not sticking to the emotional response. As you pointed out it is easy to get heated in these forums. But your rationality should return. A method exist if you absolutely despise a poster then ignore them. I also feel that JUB is fairly unique a political forum regardless of how much rancor exist here it is minuscule compared to any other political site where they simply parrot one and anothers ideas with greater emphasis on vitriol.

JUB actually has multiple viewpoints that are valid to an extent. SO you can refine your own Point of View (POV) if you so desire.

To give you and everyone else an idea of "ME" (not that you ask of course). I have a professor currently who is very right leaning and provides writing prompts that REQUIRE you write from a POV he gives and he gives the cites. If he follows the same outline from the 105 class he will have us do these two papers on what he decides and then open up the final for our own subjects. I intend to write about OWS and what they want along with what are the likely good effects associated with people exercising their first amendment rights. I will do so using many of the things I have been enlightened in over in the OWS thread along with things I have discovered doing the research for my own POV pieces on here. I would not have nearly the depth of understanding necessary to do the OWS movement justice on my own. That is just a small example of a very current event.

However that is what keeps me around. Dont get upset about one poster and lose your marbles. Jeesh. DO you piss and moan when you go to the beach if there is that smelly part up on the beach where lots of sea life has piled up to rot? Or do you appreciate the vast beauty around you and ignore the rot?

And while you point out that I don't pay. I see no reason to pay. I don't really use the paid for portions in the form of the porn. The content on the forums is user provided. When it becomes necessary to pay to post then I may consider. Here is a real buster for ya... I even get free television over the air. Oh and my radio it plays everyday for free too.... weird huh? Oh and guess what? When I don't like what they are saying or playing....I change the channel.

 

[Kulindahr]

I won't dignify the post by quoting it, but one JUBber her did an excellent job of illustrating one of the big things wrong with CE&P: he can't post civilly, and devotes more effort to denigrating other posters than doing any reasoning about the topic.



BTW--
@JustBelieve -- I disagree about one, maybe two of the people you listed as CE&P being better for them being gone. But as to the couple of obvious "hit and run" posters who hardly seemed real people, yeah. Their kind of "posting" was not discourse and didn't help at all.

 

[bankside]

I think mostly it's boring not because of manners, but because the people of one country continue to act as though politics and current events generally end at their frontier with "the world out there."

Maybe that is something to do with manners.

But I have bemoaned that before.

JB, you're always welcome back when you have something else to talk about...or somewhere else.

 

[maxpowr9]

Is it their lack of debating skills, their low intelligence or what? Some actual conservatives who can share their ideas with the group...... excuse me, the "JubClub"..... without acting like fools would be great. Someone with actual "open minds".

You have to remember this is chiefly a gay porn website with other various topics. I don't exactly expect to find erudite people here having rousing discussion on the latest political discourse.

I will however point out that you are discretely baiting here which is a big no-no. Be the bigger man: diffuse the situation and let the other party play the fool.

 

[JayHawk]

Oh come now MaxPower.... say it isnt so?

You mean the one side accuses the other of name calling and baiting whilst doing just the same.

Say it aint so Joe!

 

[BostonPirate]

No i just don't get the emotional responses to a web forum. At least not sticking to the emotional response. As you pointed out it is easy to get heated in these forums. But your rationality should return. A method exist if you absolutely despise a poster then ignore them. I also feel that JUB is fairly unique a political forum regardless of how much rancor exist here it is minuscule compared to any other political site where they simply parrot one and anothers ideas with greater emphasis on vitriol.

JUB actually has multiple viewpoints that are valid to an extent. SO you can refine your own POV if you so desire.

To give you and everyone else an idea of "ME" (not that you ask of course). I have a professor currently who is very right leaning and provides writing prompts that REQUIRE you write from a POV he gives and he gives the cites. If he follows the same outline from the 105 class he will have us do these two papers on what he decides and then open up the final for our own subjects. I intend to write about OWS and what they want along with what are the likely good effects associated with people exercising their first amendment rights. I will do so using many of the things I have been enlightened in over in the OWS thread along with things I have discovered doing the research for my own POV pieces on here. I would not have nearly the depth of understanding necessary to do the OWS movement justice on my own. That is just a small example of a very current event.

However that is what keeps me around. Dont get upset about one poster and lose your marbles. Jeesh. DO you piss and moan when you go to the beach if there is that smelly part up on the beach where lots of sea life has piled up to rot? Or do you appreciate the vast beauty around you and ignore the rot?

And while you point out that I don't pay. I see no reason to pay. I don't really use the paid for portions in the form of the porn. The content on the forums is user provided. When it becomes necessary to pay to post then I may consider. Here is a real buster for ya... I even get free television over the air. Oh and my radio it plays everyday for free too.... weird huh? Oh and guess what? When I don't like what they are saying or playing....I change the channel.

You are one of the most emotional posters in the forum buddy. Passion is your forte. Thanks for the Bio. I shall treasure it.

As to when I find Rot on the beach.... I get rid of it. I don't walk away and assume someone else will just happen along better than me to clean up the mess.

Losing my marbles? you've seen me do that and this was not it.

What I saw happening here is that a guy, JB3 is gone inactive and for what and why, I think only he will know, but it's clear things bugged him and he left because of the way it was addressed, both by the members and the mod staff. I was here last night and it was not a big bang.... it was just a whimper... an acceptance that this may just be a waste of time. Sad really for alot of reasons.

He is a moderate conservative voice who knows how to think for himself. He may not always have been Mr Charming in his posts, but he was honest in how he felt and he really did consider other peoples ideas.

We have lost a good conservative voice, and in place of it, we are talking about whether or not someone has the right to constantly bait people into arguments and call them Jubberclubber, a term that demeans not only the people here, but the forum in general.

We lost a good apple in the old droid.

Instead of realizing that and telling truths to those that would hear you say it, you blather on about emotional responses on forums, as if you were a leader, when you have little stomach or intestinal fortitude to stand up to someone from a group that chance would call "Your own CLAN", and tell them Truths that they need to hear.

As for paid memberships... its odd isn't it? the members that seem to have more financial resources are always the ones that don't join.

I guess its all about what you value and what you consider expendable.

 

[bankside]

You have to remember this is chiefly a gay porn website with other various topics. I don't exactly expect to find erudite people here having rousing discussion on the latest political discourse.

I will however point out that you are discretely baiting here which is a big no-no. Be the bigger man: diffuse the situation and let the other party play the fool.

"Maybe it's baiting to imply that porn views can't be erudite or have substantive discussions on politics," he said, baitingly...

I smell somebody metabaiting.... LOL