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Apparently, evenrick is utterly uniformed about how our system actually functions.
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On-Topic Who are you voting for this November?
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Apparently, evenrick is utterly uniformed about how our system actually functions.
It depends upon whom the voter would vote for other than the third party candidate. Most votes for a dem or Republican are simply balanced or cancelled but someone elses vote for the other major party. So the liberals who voted for Nader (but would otherwise have voted for Gore) in effect voted for Bush by not canceling or balancing a Bush vote.
Quite true.
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[23/benvolio, 24/kabluey - and everybody else; Quote isn't working on this computer] If you're in a state that is at all a battleground, and if you feel that one (but not both) of the two major party choices is apocalyptic and possibly lethal to you & your country & to humanity, voting for the not-as-horrific candidate decreases the advantage of the worst candidate by one. Enough of those decisions will make the not-as-bad candidate win in your state, or increase the win margin.
In my case, I can safely do a protest vote with absolutely no consequences, as I live in one of the five "bluest" states (albeit in a region within this state which goes "red"). I consider one candidate (and HIS followers, who would be entirely energized and validated to foment the Great Cultural Civil War) to be an existential THREAT to my existence and more, so my "protest vote" is to consider giving one more vote to the margin of the only other candidate who has more than one chance in seven hundred million of winning this national election.
I had no qualms voting for Ralph Nader in 2000. This year is different, because we have the first candidate I've ever seen who, I think, would be entirely comfortable with gen0c1de. 2016, I lived through and knew 2000 and, believe me, you are no 2000.
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the big scandal is trump and his campaign manager (who lived in russia and was friends with putin) and russian money funneled to trump----one reason the taxes will never be released---we have a repub candidate who has taken millions from russia and wants to take more----he's putin's bitch---who is in bed with russia----and he's the nominee of a major party---it's unreal.
the big scandal is trump and his campaign manager (who lived in russia and was friends with putin) and russian money funneled to trump----one reason the taxes will never be released---we have a repub candidate who has taken millions from russia and wants to take more----he's putin's bitch---who is in bed with russia----and he's the nominee of a major party---it's unreal.
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No, it's not a game, and it's not an opinion. It is a factual, objective reality. You cut one sentence from the context of an explanation. I don't know if you are genuinely dumb, your attention span only lasts one sentence, or you are that dishonest, but the actual point I was making stands and your hypocritical sophistry won't change that.
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Hey man, I was wondering where you were. Hope all is well over your way.
"Given the current real options" I have no choice but to vote against annihilation and concentration camps and loss of all civil rights, and the Unified Oblasts of North America and Russia. Also, I'm making sure my vote goes to the ONLY other person who might actually win against this existential global menace.
As I said on a couple other threads, the alternative is so awful that I don't need even to "hold my nose" to vote for the worst Democrat to run in at least 32 years.
Trump knows that Hitler made the mistake of being beaten back by Russia, so he's making sure it doesn't happen this time.
The electoral college is likely going nowhere. That's one good thing about proportional systems; providing a nationwide vote.
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Dang, the 10 minutes have come and gone...
If you vote for Trump, your vote tally is Trump 1, Clinton 0. Go the other way it's Clinton 1, Trump 0.
DIFFERENCE OF TWO VOTES in the vote margin between the two, from +1 to -1.
However, voting outside the two regime parties is, indeed, a VOTE AGAINST which-ever candidate you consider the "LEAST awful" because it takes one away from her (in my case) margin against the truly worst.
Yeah, if one thinks that a vote for Shrillery is one vote against Trump, or a vote for Drumpf is one vote against Hillary, they are indeed gaming the system. The difference is TWO votes.
If you vote for Trump, your vote tally is Trump 1, Clinton 0. Go the other way it's Clinton 1, Trump 0.
DIFFERENCE OF TWO VOTES in the vote margin between the two, from +1 to -1.
However, voting outside the two regime parties is, indeed, a VOTE AGAINST which-ever candidate you consider the "LEAST awful" because it takes one away from her (in my case) margin against the truly worst.
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Likewise, I've changed my signature to accommodate this.
Ralph Nader is an America hero. His pressuring the auto industry arguably saved thousands of lives. Jill Stein made a career out of helping people.
Only a two party hack would disgrace our politics by blaming them, these American heroes, for outcomes one of the major parties didnt like because they couldnt win on their own so have to find a scapegoat, and for daring to have the courage to participate in our elections.
Its shame on democracy that those types are allowed to slander good Americans for doing what they believe in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader
Only a two party hack would disgrace our politics by blaming them, these American heroes, for outcomes one of the major parties didnt like because they couldnt win on their own so have to find a scapegoat, and for daring to have the courage to participate in our elections.
Its shame on democracy that those types are allowed to slander good Americans for doing what they believe in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader
He was an admirable safety advocate, but no politician.
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Tell that to the over 4000 Americans & who knows how man Iraqi's not even counting the Brits, Aussies, etc killed in Bush's illegal war. It wouldn't have happened if Gore had been in in 01. Thanx Ralph
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Ralph Nader was a hero to me, until the day after the 2000 election.
Never again since...not since he became Nader 2.0 or Nader Y2K or whatever one wants to call him...I admire nothing at all about him since that horrible fiasco. I still fully admire Nader 1.0 though.
Some people get angry when Nader is blamed for the Florida result. I've said it elsewhere: There was Nader, there were the butterfly ballots where some unintentionally voted for Buchanan, there was sizable disenfranchisement of voters, there were some polling places locked away all day in a few Democratic districts**, etc.
**I still haven't been able to find the truth whether the voting station, which served many of the students at mostly-black Florida A&M in Tallahassee, was locked all day or not.
It took ALL OF THESE to cause Gore to lose Florida. If ANY ONE of these things hadn't happened, no doubt Gore would have nailed Florida. Therefore, one can blame it on whichever issue they wish from the above...and they will be accurate. And without Nader, Gore WOULD have won there.
Thankfully Bernie didn't do the biggest thing that I was fearing, and run third party.
Never again since...not since he became Nader 2.0 or Nader Y2K or whatever one wants to call him...I admire nothing at all about him since that horrible fiasco. I still fully admire Nader 1.0 though.
Some people get angry when Nader is blamed for the Florida result. I've said it elsewhere: There was Nader, there were the butterfly ballots where some unintentionally voted for Buchanan, there was sizable disenfranchisement of voters, there were some polling places locked away all day in a few Democratic districts**, etc.
**I still haven't been able to find the truth whether the voting station, which served many of the students at mostly-black Florida A&M in Tallahassee, was locked all day or not.
It took ALL OF THESE to cause Gore to lose Florida. If ANY ONE of these things hadn't happened, no doubt Gore would have nailed Florida. Therefore, one can blame it on whichever issue they wish from the above...and they will be accurate. And without Nader, Gore WOULD have won there.
Thankfully Bernie didn't do the biggest thing that I was fearing, and run third party.
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The people who voted for Ralph Nader in Florida put George Bush in office.
I know a lot of people who have made a career out of helping others.
It doesn't mean that they should be president.
And from the looks of this poll......she won't be president.
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Be that as it may about 2000, though, I doubt that NineOneOne happened "because" GWB was in office. The hate that caused those events involved more than who was merely President, and I'm sure it was planned out for a good while - didn't at least a couple of them come to the U. S. to go to aviation school well beforehand? I've always wondered how Al Gore would have handled it.