Who Created God?

[Brian Smith]

I agree, a Goddess does not have to be masculine in order to be powerful. Her strength is her femininity and love. I also agree about Mary radiating a divine image. In fact it was the inconography and divine imagery of Mary that inspired Collyridianism.

Looking into that. Is there any original source for that you know of besides Epiphanius?

 

[Yuki Sohma]

Who Created God?

MikeyLove Luv,

I seem to think that God said that in the beginning of it all "He was" and in the end of it all "He will be." Not sure where I heard all of this but seems God said He always was and that He will always be. Kinda' confusing for my narrow mind,,,,,Oh well.

 

[Telstra]

MikeyLove Luv,

I seem to think that God said that in the beginning of it all "He was" and in the end of it all "He will be." Not sure where I heard all of this but seems God said He always was and that He will always be. Kinda' confusing for my narrow mind,,,,,Oh well.

I think the bible (100% man made) said god = the beginning and the end

 

[DreamDancer310]

Let's first get something else out of the way....money created religion.

There. Now what was your original question again?

 

[ludolfo]

I saw this very good talk the other day (will link it below) with this young lad, who is apparently very scientifically intelligent, and he passionatley keeps emphasizing the importance to think for your self and STOP learning, because he rightfully says that if your always learning others words, and trying to please teacher, your peers, etc, then that is not creativity.
I immediately had images of other videos I have seen of young children brought up in islamic tradition rocking back and forth as they have to memorize the verses of their sacred book the Koran. Recently there was a tragic case here of a mother who was Muslim who tortured beat her young son to death because he wasn't memorizing the Koran correctly!!
THis same thing has been the plight of children brought in in Judeo-Christian tradition, Jewish tradition with the young boy having to sing verses from the Torah at his Bar Mitzvah and the young girl, Bat Mitzvah.
In secular culture millions of children have to attend the schools and are drilling relentlessly and examined where they are not encouraged to be creative. ANY daydreaming for example is forbidden.
What I encourage is questioning which is thinking also. Of course we learn. That boy in the video had obviously learned, but he is meaning that there has to be times you think for yourself. Psychedelic experience is the thinking for your self par excellence. Suddenly you do not even want to read. You try and read text and it seems absurd to do so lol. Reality, as it should be, is the real mystery, and you want to explore it and your own nature to the fullest. That is creativity isn't it. it is the real meaning of suddenly realizing that this here life, nature,this matter, your body, your self is unutterably, unspeakably ALIVE.

Why it is very important to understand the roots of patriarchal thinking is because it denies this via its mythologies right up to its present one, scientific materialism, or phsyicialism.

Who created God?....................No. Goddessing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE

 

[Mariatenebre]

Since you place such High Praises on the Collyridians, here is something for everyone to read:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/COLLYRID.TXT

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq2/yq315.html

Yeah I have read these things and I honestly do not care about the Catholic viewpoint. They in their misogyny took the feminine divine out of Europe and gave Mary all of the iconography and titles of the Supreme Mother but none of the worship. What the anti gay, anti female religion of Catholicism means as much to me on my view of Mary is basically like what Islam's view of Jesus means to your view of Jesus. In fact in reality it is the same.

I also love how the ewtn article says that Collyridianism seeks to reimage God in female terms when in reality it is Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions that have reimaged God in male terms. Anthropology has shown that the earliest form of religion on the planet was Goddess worship and male gods came later. In fact we know that your god Yahweh of the Canaanites came at a much later period then Goddess worship.

In fact this article soundly deals with Catholic criticisms.
http://www.mother-god.com/mary-and-god.html

However let be be clear as I have said before. Collyridians do not worship the historical mother of Jesus. We worship the Supreme Mother that the iconogprahy of Mary represents. The views of Catholics on Marys divinity to Collyridians hold as much weight as Islam's view of Christ's divinity does to Christians. In fact the rejection of the Feminine Divine by Christians attests to their misogyny. After all you showed that you are a misogynist by saying that you would not permit a woman to have any form of authority over you be it spiritual or otherwise.

 

[HoodedRat]

Since you place such High Praises on the Collyridians, here is something for everyone to read

The use of the terms 'heresy' and 'heretic' in those little snippets would almost be amusing if it weren't for the fact that we all know how appallingly the Catholic church dealt with so-called 'heretics'. There was precious little amusement to be had from the inquisition and the auto-da-fe.

Also, from the perspective of earlier, pre-existing religions, Christianity itself could be considered 'heretical' due to its theft and corruption of ancient myths and teachings.

 

[Telstra]

I saw this very good talk the other day (will link it below) with this young lad, who is apparently very scientifically intelligent, and he passionatley keeps emphasizing the importance to think for your self and STOP learning, because he rightfully says that if your always learning others words, and trying to please teacher, your peers, etc, then that is not creativity.
I immediately had images of other videos I have seen of young children brought up in islamic tradition rocking back and forth as they have to memorize the verses of their sacred book the Koran. Recently there was a tragic case here of a mother who was Muslim who tortured beat her young son to death because he wasn't memorizing the Koran correctly!!
THis same thing has been the plight of children brought in in Judeo-Christian tradition, Jewish tradition with the young boy having to sing verses from the Torah at his Bar Mitzvah and the young girl, Bat Mitzvah.
In secular culture millions of children have to attend the schools and are drilling relentlessly and examined where they are not encouraged to be creative. ANY daydreaming for example is forbidden.
What I encourage is questioning which is thinking also. Of course we learn. That boy in the video had obviously learned, but he is meaning that there has to be times you think for yourself. Psychedelic experience is the thinking for your self par excellence. Suddenly you do not even want to read. You try and read text and it seems absurd to do so lol. Reality, as it should be, is the real mystery, and you want to explore it and your own nature to the fullest. That is creativity isn't it. it is the real meaning of suddenly realizing that this here life, nature,this matter, your body, your self is unutterably, unspeakably ALIVE.

Why it is very important to understand the roots of patriarchal thinking is because it denies this via its mythologies right up to its present one, scientific materialism, or phsyicialism.

Who created God?....................No. Goddessing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE

How old is the kid? He was abit over excited like Tony Robins ?

 

[Durango95]

The real one....nobody. He's eternal.

All the others, mankind.

 

[Nemothepanda]

The real one....nobody. He's eternal.

All the others, mankind.

Which one is real then?

 

[Durango95]

Which one is real then?

Mine...........

 

[Mariatenebre]

Mine...........

Prove that your god is real and that all others are false. However if your god is Yahweh then as I have shown he is a human construct.
Also everyone who believes in a god says that their god is real. The burden of proof is on you to prove it.

 

[Brian Smith]

How old is the kid? He was abit over excited like Tony Robins ?

Well, I have a bit of autism myself, and that's pretty typical. People usually think I'm on drugs or something until they have gotten to know me.

 

[bankside]

If religion only made aesthetic claims, we probably wouldn't need to have this conversation. But it makes factual claims about everything from history to cosmology to psychology to how society should be arranged to enhance our well-being. Most of those claims are based in transparent falsehood. Any any joy wrung from those claims should not stop exposing the rotting foundations of the institution...the mindset...the entire artifice that is religion.

 

[Nemothepanda]

Mine...........

Why is your deity real and no someone else's? Who is this god anyways?

 

[Brian Smith]

Why it is very important to understand the roots of patriarchal thinking is because it denies this via its mythologies right up to its present one, scientific materialism, or phsyicialism.

God, I hate anti-science zealots. They behave like the very religious fundamentalists they criticize. They call out "patriarchy" in the same voice that an evangelical calls out "satan," and they keep their ears plugged to any idea that remotely contradicts their doctrine, often while chanting platitudes about how "liberated" they are while proudly pointing to the iron collar that is the doctrine to which they have enslaved their minds. They find forces of the "patriarchy" around every corner in the same manner that McCarthists found "communism" behind every door. There is little in this world that so deeply revolts me.

 

[Durango95]

I see patriarchy bandied about on this as well as other threads. Patriarchy is the prime system because it works especially for advanced societies. There are no matriarchal societies present today except for a very few isolated cases in very primitive cultures. I am using the word culture very loosely when referring to these social systems. Since matriarchy hasn't survived into the modern age the only logical explanation is that it just didn't work well enough to compete with the patriarchal systems.

To embrace the earth goddess paradigm one would have to discard all of modern civilization. The goddess paradigm developed because of the magical quality primitives attributed to childbirth. They did not know what caused it so it had to be magic. The Earth is not a mother. It is a rock hurdling through space which happens to have the means of supporting life.

 

[Brian Smith]

I see patriarchy bandied about on this as well as other threads. Patriarchy is the prime system because it works especially for advanced societies. There are no matriarchal societies present today except for a very few isolated cases in very primitive cultures. I am using the word culture very loosely when referring to these social systems. Since matriarchy hasn't survived into the modern age the only logical explanation is that it just didn't work well enough to compete with the patriarchal systems.

To embrace the earth goddess paradigm one would have to discard all of modern civilization. The goddess paradigm developed because of the magical quality primitives attributed to childbirth. They did not know what caused it so it had to be magic. The Earth is not a mother. It is a rock hurdling through space which happens to have the means of supporting life.

Well, right now, we live in a largely egalitarian society, not a "patriarchy" or "matriarchy." We are a society in which all individuals are held to have equal status. This is not because they are assumed to have the same abilities, the same morality, or even the same social esteem. It is because we, to a large extent, judge a person's level of honor and integrity based on whether or not he or she tries to treat people fairly.

We might acknowledge that men can lift and carry more than a woman, but we make allowances for that. We might realize that a person afflicted with autism might have more difficulty than others understanding social queues or sometimes lack the capacity for speech, but we try to make allowances for that. If someone is a complete incompetent idiot, we try to find place for that person. If a person is a criminal and a sociopath, we try to reform that person or at least use the probation system to keep that person out of trouble until that person can become afflicted with reason and compassion.

And the point of science is to try to make people less slaves of their genetics, so they can aspire to do the things they really want to do. You know, I have severe Tourettes Syndrome and a degree of autism, so there are a few drugs I take to improve my quality of life. I do this with the same attitude that I put on warm clothes during the Wintertime: I find it more comfortable than doing without. I find myself to be more functional. There is more that I can get done. Sure, I could survive without it, but why?

I find it incomprehensible that there is a strain in feminist thought that science is somehow the bad guy. Before scientists intervened, people thought that individuals like me were possessed by demons (which I hardly condemn them for considering the terrifying, inhuman growls that I make when in a state of passion). They were kept chained to a chair, and they pretty much lived that way until they got sick and died. It's thanks to science that the kid in the video Ludolfo linked us to was given half a chance to prove himself instead of being thrown into an insane asylum and spending his life in a small padded room. We study these conditions because we think they are as deserving as anyone else of a chance to live decent lives.

Yet I see this bizarre antiscience movement in feminism, and its zealots are wild-eyed fanatics. It's because of those people and others like them that I realized that you can't get rid of unreasoning thought processes by getting rid of religion. It doesn't work. You can take away the religion, but it would just be replaced with another set of idiotic beliefs that were arrived at through faulty methods of reasoning. Making religion go away wouldn't create some hate-free, misogyny-free utopia. It would just end up being more of the same, for the same reasons.

And I don't know that doing away with faulty reasoning would necessarily eliminate religion. I think it might result in fewer people believing in things like gods and angels and afterlife, but I am really not even specifically sure about that. Who knows? Someday, we might just end up with a new formulation of religion that is based on a less faulty method of coming to conclusions about things. Making religion go away is not the point, and it's not a way of getting to the point. It's just something that I am of the opinion might be a consequence; feel free to disagree.

But what really must go is the way that people latch onto ideas and become personally attached to them, defending them in the way that they would defend their own reputation. Another thing that must go is the way some people explain away people who disagree with them by suggesting that there is some conspiracy theory or satanic force influencing their minds. This kind of tripe is what leads to people hating each other unnecessarily and trying to kill each other. It's really not what people believe that counts, but it's the way people treat a belief.

 

[ludolfo]

I see patriarchy bandied about on this as well as other threads. Patriarchy is the prime system because it works especially for advanced societies. There are no matriarchal societies present today except for a very few isolated cases in very primitive cultures. I am using the word culture very loosely when referring to these social systems. Since matriarchy hasn't survived into the modern age the only logical explanation is that it just didn't work well enough to compete with the patriarchal systems.

To embrace the earth goddess paradigm one would have to discard all of modern civilization. The goddess paradigm developed because of the magical quality primitives attributed to childbirth. They did not know what caused it so it had to be magic. The Earth is not a mother. It is a rock hurdling through space which happens to have the means of supporting life.

Oh so its 'workin' is it? Maybe for you it is, but for the millions of poor who are living on crap all a day, and those living in literal shit tips with toxic air, and all the species being made extinct, and the general disrespect for other species, other humans, and nature--it AINT working. Look at how you impose your myth, as your interpretation of 'science' on us. Earth is 'just a rock hurdling through space which happens to have the means of supporting life". Oh...right, Well that's that then. We can all go home and put TV on and eat out Big Macs...? As I am trying to show. mythology is a natural process that humans do because we are imaginative and love stories, and this here life, despite what your previous 'scientism' says is a BIG MYSTERY. But scientism together with the State wants you to assume there is no deep sacred spiritual meaning to it. THAT is the current myth. And it is of the patriarchal ilk because you can see this same pattern in their earlier myths also where nature and others and one's very body and nature are de-graded.

 

[ludolfo]

God, I hate anti-science zealots. They behave like the very religious fundamentalists they criticize. They call out "patriarchy" in the same voice that an evangelical calls out "satan," and they keep their ears plugged to any idea that remotely contradicts their doctrine, often while chanting platitudes about how "liberated" they are while proudly pointing to the iron collar that is the doctrine to which they have enslaved their minds. They find forces of the "patriarchy" around every corner in the same manner that McCarthists found "communism" behind every door. There is little in this world that so deeply revolts me.

Where have I said I am anti-science? I am anti-scientism. Scientism is a myth of these times, and is as fundamental if not more so than even fundamental religion because it claims 'science' tells them so. And they will push a lingo that many have no clue what they are talking about at you. This is similar to how the priests of the oppressive Christian religion were the only ones who knew Latin, and had access to the Bible and so used this privilege over the gullible common believers.

We are as much enslaved by the scientism doctrine as we were under the traditional religious doctrine, and in fact this current doctrine emerged FROM the trad. religious doctrine and even though pretending to reject it eventually still pushes its values onto one and all. You can view it like: they remove 'God' from 'HIS' throne, and then put 'Man' on it. So 'Man' is now the 'God' and does what he pleses with his 'creation'--a creation he has decided is insentient, and just commodity for his insane rabid profit-making habit.