Who else is fed up with both Dem candidiates?

[freedbarton]

I do not like either of our 2 choices of Democratic candiidates for president. I feel that both are bags of hot air and will not do any to help the GLBT community. I feel that John McCain will be the better choice for the GLBT community and for the country as a whole. Hillary has no concept about healthcare look what she did to it when Bill was president, Obama has no clue peroid and his wife is a total idiot and a visious Bitch. God only help us if Obama wins the presidency.

 

[construct]

I do not like either of our 2 choices of Democratic candiidates for president. I feel that both are bags of hot air and will not do any to help the GLBT community. I feel that John McCain will be the better choice for the GLBT community and for the country as a whole. Hillary has no concept about healthcare look what she did to it when Bill was president, Obama has no clue peroid and his wife is a total idiot and a visious Bitch. God only help us if Obama wins the presidency.

Why do you feel that John McCain will be the better choice for the GLBT community?

 

[MystikWizard]

I hate to say it, but the GLBT community is going to have to take a backstep this election, and I think most Gays realize that. Those that don't need to be prepared to accept it.

Our country's economy is the number one issue right now and needs to be addressed NOW. Here we have people losing their homes, unemployment going up, Gasoline at $4 a gallon and will likely be heading to $5 a gallon at this rate, and we're worried about Gay rights being first and foremost this election?

 

[construct]

I hate to say it, but the GLBT community is going to have to take a backstep this election, and I think most Gays realize that. Those that don't need to be prepared to accept it.

Our country's economy is the number one issue right now and needs to be addressed NOW. Here we have people losing their homes, unemployment going up, Gasoline at $4 a gallon and will likely be heading to $5 a gallon at this rate, and we're worried about Gay rights being first and foremost this election?

Are you suggesting that Sen. McCain's economic proposals are better for the country? If so, why?

 

[runner]

Are you suggesting that Sen. McCain's economic proposals are better for the country? If so, why?

Start with his pledge to not raise taxes -- something that both Democratic candidates want to do.

 

[MystikWizard]

Are you suggesting that Sen. McCain's economic proposals are better for the country? If so, why?

Can you tell me how exactly you got that I was a McCain supporter from these comments.

I hate to say it, but the GLBT community is going to have to take a backstep this election, and I think most Gays realize that. Those that don't need to be prepared to accept it.

Our country's economy is the number one issue right now and needs to be addressed NOW. Here we have people losing their homes, unemployment going up, Gasoline at $4 a gallon and will likely be heading to $5 a gallon at this rate, and we're worried about Gay rights being first and foremost this election?

 

[construct]

Can you tell me how exactly you got that I was a McCain supporter from these comments.

Yes. The central thesis of the original post was that McCain would be better for the GLBT community and better for the nation as a whole. You made the distinction that GLBT issues would have to take a back seat to economic issues which implied that the two sets of issues do not converge in the same candidate. Obama's and Clinton's positions are similar to one another and both diverge sharply from McCain's. Therefore, I inferred that you were suggesting that McCain's economic policies were better for the country.

Were you really saying that the Democrats' economic policies were better for the country while McCain is better for the GLBT community? If so, I'm sorry. Perhaps you'd prefer to explain why McCain is better on GLBT issues.

 

[MystikWizard]

Yes. The central thesis of the original post was that McCain would be better for the GLBT community and better for the nation as a whole. You made the distinction that GLBT issues would have to take a back seat to economic issues which implied that the two sets of issues do not converge in the same candidate. Obama's and Clinton's positions are similar to one another and both diverge sharply from McCain's. Therefore, I inferred that you were suggesting that McCain's economic policies were better for the country.

Were you really saying that the Democrats' economic policies were better for the country while McCain is better for the GLBT community? If so, I'm sorry. Perhaps you'd prefer to explain why McCain is better on GLBT issues.

Keep in mind that I am not the OP. Nor did I ever make the suggestion that McCain's economic policies would be better for the country than the Democrats. That's one of the reasons I left the Republican Party. That Party has simply become a party of greed and corruption and has lost its way.

I am simply stating that Gay Rights is not going to be a Forefront or focal point of any candidate this election, when we have an Economy in such bad shape at the moment.

 

[construct]

Keep in mind that I am not the OP. Nor did I ever make the suggestion that McCain's economic policies would be better for the country than the Democrats. That's one of the reasons I left the Republican Party. That Party has simply become a party of greed and corruption and has lost its way.

I am simply stating that Gay Rights is not going to be a Forefront or focal point of any candidate this election, when we have an Economy in such bad shape at the moment.

Oh, I certainly agree that GLBT issues will take a back seat in the general election discourse. I also agree that the Democrats' economic approach is better for the country. I still would love to hear why freedbarton thinks that McCain would be better for the GLBT community since he mentioned it specifically.

 

[Zingerific]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, Midnight77, but I'll take issue with something you said:

I am simply stating that Gay Rights is not going to be a Forefront or focal point of any candidate this election, when we have an Economy in such bad shape at the moment.

I think you mean to say any Presidential candidate this election. That might sound like nit-picking, but I think it is illustritive of a larger point.

I don't know very much about my state and local candidates this year. I know, that's my fault, but still, I think it's far more likely to get real work done on the state and local level.

In my view, the best I hope for in a Presidential candidate is to get out of the way of local and grassroots initiatives and otherwise keep their mouths shut so as to not provide the radical right with fodder. In contrast, McCain would probably be forced by the GOP to endorse bad Constitutional amendments or other wrongheaded federal policies.

 

[Sammie13]

This is a dreadfully bad group of Democrats to pick from. I have no clue what I'm going to to in November. These are really bad times, and the Democrats put these 2 clowns on the ballot. Good grief! If there was ever a time for a strong independent to run, this is it!!! I never thought I'd actually wish for a return of John Kerry or Michael Dukakis.

 

[texpatriot]

This is a dreadfully bad group of Democrats to pick from. I have no clue what I'm going to to in November. These are really bad times, and the Democrats put these 2 clowns on the ballot. Good grief! If there was ever a time for a strong independent to run, this is it!!! I never thought I'd actually wish for a return of John Kerry or Michael Dukakis.

Okay.

So John McCain beats either of the two Democratic contenders for POTUS hands down why?

Michael Dukakis = LOSER

John Kerry = LOSER

John McCain = LOSER

You'd pick three losers for their run for the White House over two individuals who are running for the first time WHY?

I'm not so much fed up with either of the Democratic Party Candidates as I am with the politics to get them there as a nominee; the caucuses, the hand wringing over "electability," the mudslinging, the nasty inner party bickering, the so called "super-delegate" bullshit, and on, and on, and on.

Hopefully we'll know what battles will have to be fought, won, and ill words spoken and overcome within the next two months, but frankly I'm proud of the democratic processes that are and have taken place to get us where we are.

Maybe we should adopt a more "American Idol" approach, and send in a "text message" to appease those who feel like their lives are being interrupted by too much reality.

 

[Sammie13]

Okay.

So John McCain beats either of the two Democratic contenders for POTUS hands down why?

Michael Dukakis = LOSER

John Kerry = LOSER

John McCain = LOSER

You'd pick three losers for their run for the White House over two individuals who are running for the first time WHY?

Well, texpatriot, the questions was merely who is fed up with both Dem candidates. That's the question that I answered. I neither mentioned McCain nor was I doing an analysis of the horse race or "win-ability". I simply find both candidates so incompetent and poorly qualified that I myself found voting for Dukakis and Kerry a more satisfying voting booth experience than I will have pulling the lever for one of these two clowns.

 

[texpatriot]

Well, texpatriot, the questions was merely who is fed up with both Dem candidates. That's the question that I answered. I neither mentioned McCain nor was I doing an analysis of the horse race or "win-ability". I simply find both candidates so incompetent and poorly qualified that I myself found voting for Dukakis and Kerry a more satisfying voting booth experience than I will have pulling the lever for one of these two clowns.

Well that's fair enough, I was just merely extrapolating upon the choices before us now, based upon your comments.

 

[letme]

I wish to thank "all those clowns" for pushing McCain into the POTUS slot.

I am sure the DNC will have a majority of both the house and senate come Nov 5.

It will still suck,as McCain stretches his hand out to Congress.

 

[sunoftheskye]

JOHN MCCAIN WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE LGBT COMMUNITY?

And don't get me started on how CLUELESS he is about the economy.

 

[Shafted]

I do not like either of our 2 choices of Democratic candiidates for president. I feel that both are bags of hot air and will not do any to help the GLBT community. I feel that John McCain will be the better choice for the GLBT community and for the country as a whole. Hillary has no concept about healthcare look what she did to it when Bill was president, Obama has no clue peroid and his wife is a total idiot and a visious Bitch. God only help us if Obama wins the presidency.

To hell with that, buddy.
The GLBT takes the fuckin' backseat to the economy. That's what effects EVERYONE!

 

[Shafted]

This is a dreadfully bad group of Democrats to pick from. I have no clue what I'm going to to in November. These are really bad times, and the Democrats put these 2 clowns on the ballot. Good grief! If there was ever a time for a strong independent to run, this is it!!! I never thought I'd actually wish for a return of John Kerry or Michael Dukakis.

John Kerry?!

Jeezus, what's the matter with you?

 

[letme]

To hell with that, buddy.
The GLBT takes the fuckin' backseat to the economy. That's what effects EVERYONE!

No Shafted GLBT only effects 10% of the population. And even fewer of that 10% care more about "rights" then the country as a whole.

You only care about GLBT , and nothing else. so it seems

 

[texpatriot]

No Shafted GLBT only effects 10% of the population. And even fewer of that 10% care more about "rights" then the country as a whole.

You only care about GLBT , and nothing else. so it seems

That's not true.

I care about what you look like in a leather harness, and a 16oz steel cock-ring, and whether or not you bleed University of Texas Orange when I make you scream!

Bitch.