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Who thinks it would be better if the British Parliament were hung?

What do you think about a hung parliament (minority government)?

  • I think a hung parliament is likely and I'm happy about that.

    Votes: 9 60.0%
  • I think a hung parliament is likely and I'm annoyed about that.

    Votes: 5 33.3%
  • I think a hung parliament is not likely and I'm happy about that.

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • I think a hung parliament is not likely and I'm annoyed about that.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    15
what strikes me is that all the candidates are ultra-liberal compared to even our president.

The US Democratic party is right-wing when placed on a European scale; most countries in Europe don't even have a political party along the lines of the GOP.

As I said earlier, the British Nationalist Party is about the closest thing to a Republican as you get in the UK, and as far as I understand even they love the NHS.
 
The US Democratic party is right-wing when placed on a European scale; most countries in Europe don't even have a political party along the lines of the GOP.

That's because there aren't very many people in Europe who believe that government arises from the people and should be kept small for the sake of liberty.
 
That's because there aren't very many people in Europe who believe that government arises from the people and should be kept small for the sake of liberty.

That my friend is a container of excrement.

They invented liberty. Europeans were the first to throw off the shackles of the authority of the church. Europeans were the first to experiment with any form of public policy discussion. Europeans were the first to demand limits on the king. They have not forgotten that history; indeed they cling to it.
 
By the way I wonder if Americans can talk about Britain as easily as the British can talk about Americans.
 
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That my friend is a container of excrement.

They invented liberty. Europeans were the first to throw off the shackles of the authority of the church. Europeans were the first to experiment with any form of public policy discussion. Europeans were the first to demand limits on the king. They have not forgotten that history; indeed they cling to it.

We Americans consider us to be a country that was founded on the principle of small government. Kulindahr may have worded it wrongly (it was, after all, Thomas Hobbes who said that the sovereign's power comes from the people) but the principle is widely believed over here. We view ourselves as the first government of our kind, as the people who first enacted such Enlightenment ideas as separation of church and state, as the people who value freedom most. We think of ourselves as an experiment in democracy. To this day we still use such language.

We didn't demand limits on the king, we abolished the monarchy in this country. We didn't "try out" public policy discussion, we gave ultimate authority only to those who had gone through such discussion and been elected by a majority (based on our insanely small voting population at the time). We believe in decentralized government, in separation of powers, in a way the British still haven't caught up to. And as far as the EU is concerned, I think the fact that Governor Perry in Texas has flirted with secessionist language a couple of times in the past several months tells you what America would think of something like that. And we associate bigger governments and governments in charge of more people as more threatening to liberty.

I'm not saying any of that is right, but that is what America's perception of reality is.

By the way I wonder if Americans can talk about Britain as easily as the British can talk about Americans.

Ha, yeah right. I doubt even half of Americans could tell you there's an election coming up, or could name the prime minister as of March 1, 2010 or the party he was from. If you mean culturally, there are a couple of stereotypes but that's it. Americans tend to think of ourselves and our country as having tremendous importance, and everyone else as having very little (except for whoever our current enemy is, whom we argue matters a great deal and is incredibly evil).

The US Democratic party is right-wing when placed on a European scale; most countries in Europe don't even have a political party along the lines of the GOP.

As I said earlier, the British Nationalist Party is about the closest thing to a Republican as you get in the UK, and as far as I understand even they love the NHS.

Comparing that fascist BNP to the GOP is distinctly unfair and inaccurate. There are more issues than health care. The GOP has no platform of removing non-whites from the country, for example. The GOP isn't quite so far to the right as you make it seem. You forget that while our "leftist" party is right-of-center in European politics, our "rightist" party is only slightly to the right of that. The difference between the Dems and the GOP is, on a European scale, quite small. Our fights only seem worse because our system of government doesn't include coalition-building as a matter of course as is true of many European governments. And, unlike in the UK, the opposition party can actually do something about their disagreement with the party in power.

Not really, both houses of Congress is already a sort of hung parliament as it is... if it is believed that the Democrats are just a coalition of different ideologies.


This is a surprise to you? LOL. I thought most Americans prided themselves as being exceptional.

We do think of ourselves as exceptional and are proud of that. But we also think of ourselves as leaders, pioneers, and examples for everyone else. So, naturally, we assume you used to be different but became exactly like us when you understood our superiority. ;)

And both parties in this country are a coalition of ideologies. This is in no way like a hung parliament. Until January the one party had a super majority, which is rare. And now they have 59 senators and something like a 40-seat majority in the House. It's not hung, our system was just designed to move real slow (emphatically unlike the Westminster system). Speaking as someone who likes neither party but has a slight preference for the Dems, we could do with having a bare majority Republicans in both houses of Congress for as long as we have a Democrat in the White House. I prefer the split like that.
 
You thought I was British? LOL. I immigrated and later became a citizen of the United States of America (cause there are other United Stateses).

The only exceptional thing I would have been proud of is not having imperialist ambitions, but that got thrown out the door after 1898. I might be a Libertarian but I'm certainly do not have an arrogant attitude with both my birth country and these US.


I rather suspect that Canadians might remind you of a certain invasion in the 1812/15 war, between the United States, and the United Kingdom.

Definitely the war with Spain that translated into so many American, military atrocities in The Philippines, does remind us that the theory of democracy, and its practice are often a thousand miles apart when self serving interests are dictating government policy.

But isn't that proof that no government, or country is holier than another.
 
We Americans consider us to be a country that was founded on the principle of small government. Kulindahr may have worded it wrongly (it was, after all, Thomas Hobbes who said that the sovereign's power comes from the people) but the principle is widely believed over here. We view ourselves as the first government of our kind, as the people who first enacted such Enlightenment ideas as separation of church and state, as the people who value freedom most. We think of ourselves as an experiment in democracy. To this day we still use such language.

Paper bound principles make fine reading. In practice church, and state are as bound together, as a hand, in glove. There lies the objective difference between the United States, and the United Kingdom where despite being represented in the House of Lords, by its bishops the established church has no practical influence over day, to day government policy.

If only religion could be as separate from government in the United States, as it is in the United Kingdom.


We didn't demand limits on the king, we abolished the monarchy in this country. We didn't "try out" public policy discussion, we gave ultimate authority only to those who had gone through such discussion and been elected by a majority (based on our insanely small voting population at the time).


We believe in decentralized government, in separation of powers, in a way the British still haven't caught up to.

Please explain how the United States is in advance of the United Kingdom on matters of separation of powers.

And as far as the EU is concerned, I think the fact that Governor Perry in Texas has flirted with secessionist language a couple of times in the past several months tells you what America would think of something like that. And we associate bigger governments and governments in charge of more people as more threatening to liberty.

Unlike The Patriot Act that is only for those living in liberty. And of course we gays have many more rights, inscribed into law in many EU countries. In fact the United Kingdom is light years ahead of the United States on the matter of gay rights. As in deed is that neighbour to your immediate north, that even dares to be a constitutional monarchy as evidence of its advanced, humanitarian democratic practices.

I'm not saying any of that is right, but that is what America's perception of reality is.

That would be a convenient proviso.

Ha, yeah right. I doubt even half of Americans could tell you there's an election coming up, or could name the prime minister as of March 1, 2010 or the party he was from. If you mean culturally, there are a couple of stereotypes but that's it. Americans tend to think of ourselves and our country as having tremendous importance, and everyone else as having very little (except for whoever our current enemy is, whom we argue matters a great deal and is incredibly evil).

Fair comment.


Comparing that fascist BNP to the GOP is distinctly unfair and inaccurate. There are more issues than health care. The GOP has no platform of removing non-whites from the country, for example. The GOP isn't quite so far to the right as you make it seem.

That is a highly subjective view that some on this forum would not share.



You forget that while our "leftist" party is right-of-center in European politics, our "rightist" party is only slightly to the right of that. The difference between the Dems and the GOP is, on a European scale, quite small. Our fights only seem worse because our system of government doesn't include coalition-building as a matter of course as is true of many European governments.
And, unlike in the UK, the opposition party can actually do something about their disagreement with the party in power.

Her Majesty's loyal opposition can, and does influence government policy, even to amending government bills, to reflect the broader will of parliament. Occasionally the MPs of the governing party will reject the party whip, and ensure that legislation is suitably amended. The opposition is often the catalyst of such democratic boldness.


We do think of ourselves as exceptional and are proud of that. But we also think of ourselves as leaders, pioneers, and examples for everyone else. So, naturally, we assume you used to be different but became exactly like us when you understood our superiority. ;)

Hardly. We Greeks were writing the rules on democratic government some two and a half thousand years ago.


And both parties in this country are a coalition of ideologies. This is in no way like a hung parliament. Until January the one party had a super majority, which is rare. And now they have 59 senators and something like a 40-seat majority in the House. It's not hung, our system was just designed to move real slow (emphatically unlike the Westminster system). Speaking as someone who likes neither party but has a slight preference for the Dems, we could do with having a bare majority Republicans in both houses of Congress for as long as we have a Democrat in the White House. I prefer the split like that.


That's fair comment.
 
Last call for predictions...the voting begins in less than 8 hours...
 
For the Brits sake I hope the BNP does not rise to greater power. They are a very concerning group of persons. I think it is increasingly likely that the Brits will get a Hung Parliament, and we can hope for the best. It will be a long road to recovery with whomever prevails.

And, without the Magna Carta I very much doubt our Democratic Republican form of government would have flourished in the USA. And, the founders relied heavily on Englightenment thinkers such as Voltaire (yikes a French Philosopher). And, let us not forget the Greeks had it a couple of thousand years ago, and some of the First Nations of North America had some forms of representational democracy.

Needless to see it was not an US American idea.
 
It is strange to me that they actually remove the ballots to be counted elsewhere.

In Canada, the polling station is locked and they are counted on the spot by the officials of the elections agency.
 
We now have a hung Parliament! The horse trading has started behind closed doors! Is this democracy in operation?
 
We now have a hung Parliament! The horse trading has started behind closed doors! Is this democracy in operation?

Yes! The people have given two fingers up to the lot of them, and they're all stuck having to make compromises with each other instead of one of them thinking he's won the lottery. Parliament in action - actually doing what it was designed for for once, instead of acting like a rubber stamp as it might in a majority situation.
 
I predict the incumbent will retain this office:


If only life were that silly and funny.

If the conservative forms a minority government with another group will the new government be seen as weak?

When can there be another election?
 
If the conservative forms a minority government with another group will the new government be seen as weak?

When can there be another election?

It will be vulnerable, in that the Conservatives will have to compromise their policies and throw titbits to the LibDems to stay in power.

But they could keep that up for years in theory. There could be another election immediately if no one party can maintain enough support to put through its Queen's Speech or budget plans.
 
Well, here we are still waiting!

I'm starting to think Bush vs. Gore was actually pretty normal.
 
Who's looking forward to a well-hung British Parliament after the election?

Brits! Let us know what you think.

Well I"m not a Brit, I live in the USA.. and damn I wish the Tories would have won the past electon hands down.. seems that the Liberal Dems have won some seats.. but not enough by any means to win a majority... So who knows what will happen..
 
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