Why are JUBbers so prejudiced against the religious/religion in general?

[pat grimshaw]

...Which one am I .....

You are special.

(I know my last boyfriend would have adored you)

 

[zoltanspawn]

I remark that nobody has been able to answer my question. I didn't imply that I knew the answer, mind you. Just that one shouldn't treat Science as a God. Science is a marvelous tool at our disposal, but it is wisdom to know where it is weak and where it is strong.

'Only childish fools and Lapsed Catholics persist in needing gods now in the 21st century'.

Which one am I in your eyes please ? And I don't 'need' God. I believe in him because in me He is as real as a rock hitting my skull. I don't 'need' the rock to hit my head either...

Some physicists apparently argue that there's an answer to your question, as I put it in #324, and I guess they say that the laws of this universe are such that it's more normal for something to exist than nothing, and not 'natural' at all that nothing should be the state of things rather than something. That doesn't fuel my intuitions, but it's something to consider.

 

[bankside]

I remark that nobody has been able to answer my question. I didn't imply that I knew the answer, mind you. Just that one shouldn't treat Science as a God. Science is a marvelous tool at our disposal, but it is wisdom to know where it is weak and where it is strong.

Such impatience for an answer. Sometimes we must content ourselves with not knowing instead of hastily filling in the blanks with the first guess offered by a priest. There is almost never a risk of treating science as a god. There is a constant risk of treating religious speculation about divinity as a god.

 

[oakpope]

May I present you Positivism ?
It's not a religion I'll admit, it's a philosophy but it was what I had in mind.

'hastily filling in the blanks with the first guess offered by a priest' is better than hastily jumping to conclusion of how I formed my faith ?

And I'm not impatient for an answer. All I wanted to do is to rebuke 'There is nothing in the Universe that is beyond comprehension or explanation by science, once sufficient evidence has been uncovered.'

 

[xbuzzerx]

Such impatience for an answer. Sometimes we must content ourselves with not knowing instead of hastily filling in the blanks with the first guess offered by a priest. There is almost never a risk of treating science as a god. There is a constant risk of treating religious speculation about divinity as a god.

That's an incredible statement from a world full of history like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mengela#Human_experimentation this.

Treating the advancement of scientific knowledge (by any means, not just under the constraints of benevolent ethical modern first world notions of ethical research) as paramount has been responsible for a list of atrocities longer than your arm.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ My arm?

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Personally, I'm an agnostic. I find hardcore atheists to be just as deplorable as the hardcore fundamentalists. However, I understand that everyone has a right to believe what they want as long as they do not let it affect the way they treat other people.

Hilarious. It's usually believers who let religion affect the way the treat other people, namely as either saved or fallen. Atheists treat everyone equal and hold everyone to the same standards, that is: if you make a claim, back it up with evidence. Scripture doesn't count.

 

[Gentleheart]

It's usually believers who let religion affect the way they treat other people, namely as either saved or fallen.

and bolded for emphasis.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Atheists treat everyone equal and hold everyone to the same standards, that is: if you make a claim, back it up with evidence.

Atheists can prove God doesn't exist? Do go on.

 

[Kahaih]

Atheists can prove God doesn't exist? Do go on.

Capitalizing the word accomplishes nothing. To whom do you refer?

Please produce/submit a subject/specimen for testing.

Thank you,

 

[peeonme]

I have found JUBers to be less hostile than atheists that I have worked with. At work I kept sexuality and religion under wraps, I was there to work not convert.
But, I was questioned because I didn't go drinking or cuss (enough), when questioned I admitted to being a Christian, this lead to physical hostilities on a few occasions, they were quite surprised that I stood my ground and was ready to deal with them in that arena if necessary.
I guess I forgot to tell them that I was not perfect, just forgiven.

 

[star-warrior]

Atheists can prove God doesn't exist? Do go on.

Buddhists say you don't need to bother with gods.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Hilarious. It's usually believers who let religion affect the way the treat other people, namely as either saved or fallen. Atheists treat everyone equal and hold everyone to the same standards, that is: if you make a claim, back it up with evidence. Scripture doesn't count.

That is funny, I have met plenty of atheists who weren't like this at all.

 

[rareboy]

A true aetheist doesn't care if someone does or doesn't believe in a Deity.

It isn't that an aetheist hates the idea of God...they just don't believe. For aetheists, behavioural codes and mores originate in self-interest, tribal collective interest, social contracts and innate altruism.

But many aetheists do dislike religions, where the people who believe in God(s) try to force a set of rules for behaviour or beliefs onto others.

And this is where you see push-back.

But every aetheist that I know believes in the central tenet of almost every religion on earth, which, boils down to:

Treat one another the way you want to be treated.

 

[HornyJock]

Treat one another the way you want to be treated.

Everything boils down to that.
There is no need for a Religion as long as you apply that basic rule.

You can still believe in a God, whatever it is, but Religion is redundant in modern society.
Laws do the job of regulating our society much better than Religion, and we as a society get to decide the rules.

 

[Hakuba]

Atheists can prove God doesn't exist? Do go on.

Science can prove that the universe wasn't created in 6 days a few thousand years ago. It can't necessarily disprove that there is NO god, but it can disprove all the popular theories about the creation of the universe that is tied to all the major religions, and that ought to be enough proof for anyone. The only god that science can't disprove is one that is not affiliated with any religion that we know of.

 

[Alnitak]

A true aetheist doesn't care if someone does or doesn't believe in a Deity.

It isn't that an aetheist hates the idea of God...they just don't believe. For aetheists, behavioural codes and mores originate in self-interest, tribal collective interest, social contracts and innate altruism.

But many aetheists do dislike religions, where the people who believe in God(s) try to force a set of rules for behaviour or beliefs onto others.

And this is where you see push-back.

But every aetheist that I know believes in the central tenet of almost every religion on earth, which, boils down to:

Treat one another the way you want to be treated.

There is no tenet about atheism that precludes distaste for others' religious predilections because there are no tenets in atheism at all. Therefore, any atheist is a true atheist so long as he or she is convicted that there is no deity. Also see: no true Scotsman fallacy.

On the contrary, many atheists care very much, especially those that tend to view religion as harmful.

Religion seems to be universal, owing to the heuristic nature of human abstract thinking (i.e. we prefer gut feelings over logic) and there are more religions than stars, however equally arbitrary because Jesus didn't have the Internet to let everyone know he was the only one.

Hostility at least in the LGBT community would logically stem from the callousness many, or shall I say most, have faced from some religious people in our lives, not to mention the overall liberal tendencies owing to our strong presence in urban centers. So we are calloused against religion in general.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

You can still believe in a God, whatever it is, but Religion is redundant in modern society.

Not everyone agrees with you on that one.

 

[eastofeden]

Science can prove that the universe wasn't created in 6 days a few thousand years ago. It can't necessarily disprove that there is NO god, but it can disprove all the popular theories about the creation of the universe that is tied to all the major religions, and that ought to be enough proof for anyone. The only god that science can't disprove is one that is not affiliated with any religion that we know of.

Nah..Wiccan...Panthiest...Pagan...the God is Mother Earth directly or indirectly...and even if you are ultra Bible/Koran religious..or an staunch atheist (which I see as the same anyway)..Mother Earth is a VERY REAL GOD. She gives life on every fucking level...and she can take it away...on every fucking level. Nature itself is God.

Science and Logic enthusiasts and religious nutjobs can bite me if they have a problem with it. Mother Nature can wipe their self important asses...and everything and everyone else... off the face of the Planet... if she decided to.

 

[Hakuba]

Nah..Wiccan...Panthiest...Pagan...the God is Mother Earth directly or indirectly...and even if you are ultra Bible/Koran religious..or an staunch atheist (which I see as the same anyway)..Mother Earth is a VERY REAL GOD. She gives life on every fucking level...and she can take it away...on every fucking level. Nature itself is God.

Science and Logic enthusiasts and religious nutjobs can bite me if they have a problem with it...and Mother Nature can wipe their self important asses...and everything and everyone else... off the face of the Planet... if she decided to.

Ascribing consciousness to nature by defining God as nature itself or "Mother Nature" sounds like a bit of a cop out. We know that natural selection is real. If there was a better way to create intelligent beings then why go through millions of years of evolution to end up with the same result?