Why are some forms of mental illnesses disguised as normal such as Religion?

[KrisHawkXXX]

When I was a little boi my I used to believe there were witches under my bed as well as the boogie man. My parents used what I thought was fact, against me in their favor because of this. If I did not "behave" or couldn't please them regardless I would be scared to challenge this knowledge. The belief that imaginary beings along with demons and angels made me realize much more later on life.

Another time I felt brainwashes was when my mother told me there was this imaginary "God" in this lala land called Heaven where everything is perfect.. (Unpractical but she believed it HERSELF.) Apparently She told me this God talks to everyone.. I told her I had an imaginary friend too. Apparently I was taken to therapy at a young age for believing there were other people around. I told the psych simply because my mom has imaginary friends.. and one of them is going to take me high into the sky when I die. . My mother's imaginary friends were normal I was told, and mine were bad and not good. This confused and puzzled me.

As I got older.. I realized.. I can't SEE this God everyone is talking about. We do live in a system of power structure and control.. perhaps they have some relation? As I got older politicians brought God into the subject of change and security.. and all it did was fuck us over. Religion has never done anything positive for the globe as a WHOLE in the long run... rather cause wars and torn civilizations when people should come together. If these red states are right about God being REAL.. he's hitting the southern states with hurricanes to shut em' up because they are making a total ass out of him AND this country. Why would God send hurricanes to Southern USA and hurt innocent people? Well God has no problems murdering people.. He flooded the earth and drowned everyone else.. and kept one family. I mean how self-righteous did these people think they are?

I am against classed divided societies.. classes are developed throughout by human beings and temporary social settings. God, has more knowledge and power then anyone.. he's smarter.. and why? He can see everyone? God has MORE power then everyone else.. he is a superior being in "Modern Mythology." Superior beings do NOT make man.. Man makes superior beings.. The ACTUAL CONCEPT of a Superior being or "Higher power" are all ideas and theories INVENTED or suggested by man to help man better understand the world without them. If you are not baptized. you will not get into heaven.. If you don't believe in God, you will be shut out of the gates of heaven. This is nothing but mental Manipulation on a GLOBAL scale. People go into church.. and give money to THEM! STILL.

Why are people allowed to make decisions on how they live or affect others by imaginary beings... but If I invent a NEW God because the other ones just suck... I'm crazy.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Uhuh.

It'd be simpler if you just said you were a militant theist and left it at that.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

We also are brainwashed to think "Oh Someone shouldn't be called mentally ill... for its God." If someone else believes in god.. of course they are going to be biased. I think actually believing that there is some superior being.. is a mental illness at large because it IS. The bible contradicts itself so many times.. was written by so many different people.. its nothing but fucking bullshit.

I wouldn't see myself as militant... Don't know where you get that idea.. I'm not a thesist or watever label you wanna throw.. I am myself.. and am using some common sense. I researched religion more then the average person and how it has evolved in history.. control control control. Organized religions rob children intellect and their own free way to think, because ignorant people ingrain their own bullshit onto them. And its sad.. Organized Religions are CULTS disguised as something beneficial.. something necessary. If one thinks Religion is natural like physics.. their mentality and outlook on the world become distorted. When one actually considers what I say, they talk AT me trying to PROVE some stupid point.. it makes them look even more nuts.

Why can Michelle Bachman walk to a podium and say GOD TOLD HER TO RUN? And people APPLAUDED this psychotic bitch! Not all people who believe in religion are evil.. but this woman is. I just woke up at 22 years old.. A large portion of MY country are ENCOURAGING how normal for schizophrenia to take part in changing the standards of living for others. God is just a distraction for the GOP. She was applauded for having a mental illness that billions of others have... and that really scares the living shit out of me.

The reason an innocent child believes in God is because they were TOLD to believe in him.. not because they felt that way without outside SWAYING.

 

[bulge]

Exacty what i cann't stop thinking.

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[star-warrior]

There is a rather long article (8 pages) in New Scientist about the move away from science. Maybe you could have a look at it for new ideas.

The online version has a brief snippet
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228361.500-science-in-america-decline-and-fall.html

 

[pigface]

KrisHawkXXX - i love your way of thinking. You are right!
But you can't argue logically against someone with a mental impairement, or someone drunk, etc. Stupid people deserve to become extinct.

 

[luvme4evr]

As I got older.. I realized.. I can't SEE this God everyone is talking about. We do live in a system of power structure and control.. perhaps they have some relation? As I got older politicians brought God into the subject of change and security.. and all it did was fuck us over. Religion has never done anything positive for the globe as a WHOLE in the long run... rather cause wars and torn civilizations when people should come together. If these red states are right about God being REAL.. he's hitting the southern states with hurricanes to shut em' up because they are making a total ass out of him AND this country. Why would God send hurricanes to Southern USA and hurt innocent people? Well God has no problems murdering people.. He flooded the earth and drowned everyone else.. and kept one family. I mean how self-righteous did these people think they are?

beautifully put. my family used 2 b jehovah's witnesses, we left bcuz they were money hungry ppl, always wanting favors. then we became methodist, but i left that church 4 the same reason we left the jw's. and now i question my beliefs and religions as a whole. i dont think ur militant, i think that ur refusal 2 accept what religious zealots say as proven fact actually expresses wht a lot of ppl feel deep inside, but r afraid 2 say out loud. I believe u, even if u express ur opinions behind the veil of this forum.

 

[bulge]

As I got older.. I realized.. I can't SEE this God everyone is talking about. We do live in a system of power structure and control.. perhaps they have some relation? As I got older politicians brought God into the subject of change and security.. and all it did was fuck us over. Religion has never done anything positive for the globe as a WHOLE in the long run... rather cause wars and torn civilizations when people should come together. If these red states are right about God being REAL.. he's hitting the southern states with hurricanes to shut em' up because they are making a total ass out of him AND this country. Why would God send hurricanes to Southern USA and hurt innocent people? Well God has no problems murdering people.. He flooded the earth and drowned everyone else.. and kept one family. I mean how self-righteous did these people think they are?

That's why the quran, thorah, bible and the like are only about genocides, how to murder as much people as possible.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

universitys glory in mentals

good luck

 

[luvme4evr]

and 2 continue, when I was younger my parents used 2 tell me that god lived behind the clouds. so when me and my family would fly 2 certain places i always thought it was weird that I would be up above the clouds, but i couldn't c god. y not, i was always told he was right above the clouds. then my grandmother would tell me he was higher n the sky, out n the universe. y? wht's out there except 4 nothing, it left me so bitter cuz i wanted 2 c him, especially when my grandmother became ill and died, they told me she was going 2 heaven to become an angel, but i ddn't want her n heaven i wanted her here with me, n the kitchen cooking her cakes n cookies, i wanted to c that face everyday and hear her laughter. when my mother became ill with cancer and we were afraid she would die, i was so afraid tht i would have 2 contend with just memories of her, but with me there is no comfort n memories. i just can't 4give god 4 bringing my mother that close 2 death and allowing our family 2 suffer so greatly. she is doing better now, a little weak from chemo and meds, but still here, bcuz it was caught n time. but wht about the day when she finally succumbs. o god i am starting 2 cry now. i dont even want 2 think of that day, i luv my mom dad and my family. i dont even want 2 think of them leaving the earth.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

There's a small matter of honesty and balance.

You may look at faith and call it irrational, superstitious, or even demented, but you cannot sweep aside history and simply state that religion never did anything good. You can talk about the power, the abuses, the wars, and whatever that are accurately cited as negatives, but when you fail to include the positive side, you move away from the realm of reasonable analysis to one-sided opinion and bias.

Education, charity, and great music are just three contributions that come to mind off the cuff. Religion in Western culture has been a chief source of all three.

And, you cannot blithely go about characterizing all religion through the prism of your personal perception of Christianity. The world has over four billion people in it. Granted, one fourth of those are Christian, but the culture is by no means monolithic.

Among the other three billion, there is a wide range of what religious belief is, and what it motivates adherents to do.

Your rant simply comes across as prejudice itself.

Whether we are considering the spiritual realm, the sociological, the psychological, or the scientific, learning is about exploring and comparing. That requires reading, observing, experiencing, and attempting.

Just sitting back and raving on with apparently very little broad knowledge makes the opinion just seem as irrational and unsound as the religion you want so badly to disparage.

With more learning about history, you would understand more about the complex role religion plays in the human psyche, if not the soul, and would not reduce it to the bogeyman that irreligionists so often idolize when casting about for a whipping boy for the world's ills.

Even for the atheist, the goal remains the same, to look about one's world and find what can be one's own contribution to making it a better world. It would be sad to find nothing of more merit that just ranting about the glass being half full. If you believe greater truth lies outside religion, then take that perspective and build something positive in your society and your world from that conviction. Just cursing the (perceived) darkness is no better than the superstitions you lampoon.

Im not that black n white of a thinker.. Excuse my grammar im on a nintendo 3ds... yes religion does provide emotional and mental stability for some, but that's it. Religion WILL fade out beyond our lifetime... Religion has had more negative consequences then good.. and its mentally unhealthy for society to base values on. Values should be based on the truth we see.. what is needed.. and realize working together with respect goes alot further. one thing.. its keeping me from getting married.. stem cell research.. etc. I dont sit back and rave.. but Typing lengthy and more detailed analysis on jub has proved pointless. I guess everyone here has a short attention span, they read part of it and reply not totally comprehending what I said to begin with. Humans cant accept that we are clueless beings so Jesus Allah and pretty clouds seem alright... IGNORANCE IS BLISS. Arguing whether orr not magic beings or devils exist is like wondering if the earth is flat or round. a man was portrayed crazy crazy and against god for apparently being smarter then the rest of those assholes. We look back and ask how could we think like tht? Perhaps the majority are living in ignorance today but also oblivion...

 

[JRandell69]

It sounds like you're just pissed off cause there is more believers in this country than there are non believers. That's the way it's always been and probably the way it always will be. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. But so what? Why worry about it?

No offense, but you sound like someone that's about to go on a shooting rampage.

 

[G-Lexington]

Good news - we're reading!

Lex

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

I am not a religious person, but I do think believing in God - for the rare people who do it correctly - is fine. Yes, I do find it silly how it is normal for a mass society accept an imaginary figure - but there are so many factors, namely tradition, that come into play. I get where you are getting at though, but I am not going to demonize people who choose to follow this faith. In some cases, it does more good than harm. As we all know, the reverse happens too...but when do things not work this way?

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

It sounds like you're just pissed off cause there is more believers in this country than there are non believers. That's the way it's always been and probably the way it always will be. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. But so what? Why worry about it?

No offense, but you sound like someone that's about to go on a shooting rampage.

ive never been in a physical fite or hit sumone... maybe argue but thats it. im not angry... more frustrated that its still being debated.. yeah most people ARE believers.. thats how eras in history work.... some things last 100 years... 2000... religion is so old and our youth r questioning.. why do u think tht is

 

[Adrock-JD]

Science questions itself relentlessly and constantly searches for the truth.

Religion is just bizarre. Faith by definition cannot be questioned.

Mainstream religious beliefs and practices are shared by hundreds of millions of people and supported by billions of dollars, wars, torture, threats and other coercive acts.

Best wishes to you for trying to argue with that.

 

[JRandell69]

ive never been in a physical fite or hit sumone... maybe argue but thats it. im not angry... more frustrated that its still being debated.. yeah most people ARE believers.. thats how eras in history work.... some things last 100 years... 2000... religion is so old and our youth r questioning.. why do u think tht is

Well okay man. I didn't mean to sound like a jackass. My point is nothing can be done about it, so why stress about it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

ive never been in a physical fite or hit sumone... maybe argue but thats it. im not angry... more frustrated that its still being debated.. yeah most people ARE believers.. thats how eras in history work.... some things last 100 years... 2000... religion is so old and our youth r questioning.. why do u think tht is

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[fetaby]

There's a small matter of honesty and balance.

You may look at faith and call it irrational, superstitious, or even demented, but you cannot sweep aside history and simply state that religion never did anything good. You can talk about the power, the abuses, the wars, and whatever that are accurately cited as negatives, but when you fail to include the positive side, you move away from the realm of reasonable analysis to one-sided opinion and bias.

Education, charity, and great music are just three contributions that come to mind off the cuff. Religion in Western culture has been a chief source of all three.

I somewhat agree. But what I disagree about is that it was religion that did these things. Or that it was religion that did the "negative" things...

It's my opinion that all of these actions are the consequence of the people who did them. They may have used religion to inspire or excuse the things they did, but ultimately it was their will. Religion is just another tool to be used.

But faith on the other hand, is something different.

 

[MisterMajestic]

KrisHawkxxx....Your Mother can believe in whatever she chooses and as a "Parent" she had every right to raise you the best way she knew how...No Parent will fault her for that...Now that you're an Adult you're free to "believe" whatever you want.

Let's put your mother's "faith" aside for a second....You said that you had therapy during your childhood...You also stated you saw people or things that werent really there. Did you also hear voices?

It sounds like you might have "issues" that are much bigger for you than what your Mother taught you to believe in...Do you still go to counseling?