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Why can't gay films be more realistic?

It might be that good gay films are out there and you just don't know about them.

Have you seen: 24th DAY, endgame (Gary Wicks), Priest or Trick?

You won't be able to walk into a BlockBuster store and pick them off the shelf, but through online dvd places you shouldn't have a problem.

The pablum like the ones the GP go to in theaters or they show on tv is well, pablum.
 
Actually, until recently, the gay guy in gay films often didn't get the beautiful guy. He would learn that having a beautiful guy wasn't necessarily that special after all, and he would either end up happy on his own, or he would end up with some nebbishy guy as the consolation prize for having learned his place in the big gay world. And before that line of films, he or the other gay guy he loved would have either killed himself or died tragically in some other way.

Really, why can't we have a bunch of films now where we get the guy? What is so wrong with that? If you want reality, don't watch movies. The heterosexual shit they pump out is all the same. Love doesn't look and act like Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds--they've got their fantasies, why shouldn't we have ours?
 
See more movies.

Our film festival in Philadelphia, now remaned "QFest," was last month. Sorry you missed it. There was a variety of films, and, yeah, some of them gave the distinct fragrance of "I've seen this before." And then, some didn't.

Wanna come for next year's? Keep July open, OK?
 
I agree with you on that every guy looks like they walk out of a sears catalog and they are very effeminate. What about having more realistic movies what about two guys living in a ghetto or a small town with a very religious family or a preachers son that happens to be gay. that would be interesting


Same with porn it gets boring seeing two skinny twinks with small cocks fucking each other.

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If you haven't seen it, watch Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss. Of course, by recommending that film to you, you can now imagine what happens in it.
 
Check out Shelter.

That is the realist I have ever seen, and it is a good movie on top of it.

Oh, well after reading your OP. You wont like that he does get the guy. But the supposed hunk can act though, and it is a damn good movie.
 
darkcap2008 said:
Name some titles? Well.... Eating Out, Eating Out 2, Trick, the Living End, Straight Men and The Men Who Love them.

Hey... Gods And Monsters is a realistic film where he "doesn't" get the hunky guy. Wow there is one.

And the Band Played On is a good one, but it doesn't count as a "gay" film.

I challenge anyone on this board to name me an "independent" gay film that doesn't have a hunky model like guy in it.
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Trick was one of the first where the gay nerdy guy actually does get the cutie. Eating Out and Eating Out 2 are raunchy gay comedies.

Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss is one where he lusts after an apparently straight model type. It fits your "end up unhappy, you ugly homo" requirement.

Gay men were marginalized characters for so many years. Their characters were either best friends who served to make the main character seem cool and hip, or they were troubled closet cases who fell for someone and then couldn't handle it and killed themselves. Even Brokeback Mountain doesn't let us get the guy in the end.

What is so wrong with movies where characters who are gay actually get the same fantasy ending that hetero characters have been getting for decades in films?
 
darkcap2008 said:
well there's nothing wrong with it. But where someone fell for someone and couldn't handle it and killed themselves... hey I would actually like to see a film like that. I like realistic stuff. But maybe that's just me.

As for Brokeback Mountain, he didn't get the guy cause the guy died. But he does get him.
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And one of the criticisms of BM was that here was yet again a gay film where the gay men don't get to end up happy together. And why is a gay man killing himself over someone he can't have more "realistic" than getting the guy? Are we supposed to end up alone, miserable, and staying in our place by not wanting what we apparently can't have by your standards?

You say you want realistic--I say you want depressing and at least a little self-loathing. But hey, to each his own.
 
If you want to check out "Boys in the Band" you might find what you are lusting for.
 
I don't know what movie you've been watching but most of the gay movie that I saw...it's always gay guy ending up with another gay guy. I don't see any hunky STRAIGHT guy.
 
Not sure I want a gay Fatal Attraction

My beef is that too many gay films are independents, with that indie feel to them. And mainstream movies either make the gay guy the best friend, or it's some kind of tragedy.

How about a gay superhero? And not just where they say he's gay but don't do anything about it. I want a gay Superman with a male Lois Lane (Louis Lane?).

And how about casting gay actors in the gay parts? Or maybe we're not ready for that yet...
 
I've seen a lot of short films about gay guys getting rejected by straight guys. There's one on youtube called Silver Road, and a local filmmaker from Vancouver, David C. Jones, made a short film titled Caught.

Hell, I wrote a short film about a teenage guy who has a conversation with a straight guy in his mind because he's too scared to talk to him (it's making its way around to festivals right now! See my blog). A lot of people have told me they can relate to this, so I'd like to think it's fairly realistic.
 
SonOfSlobone said:
Not sure I want a gay Fatal Attraction

My beef is that too many gay films are independents, with that indie feel to them. And mainstream movies either make the gay guy the best friend, or it's some kind of tragedy.
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I agree. There are countless films where gay people die... what is that saying about us? That all our relationships end in tragedy?

How about a gay superhero? And not just where they say he's gay but don't do anything about it. I want a gay Superman with a male Lois Lane (Louis Lane?).
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Rage! (from Queer as Folk)

And how about casting gay actors in the gay parts? Or maybe we're not ready for that yet...
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The director for Were the World Mine, Tom Gustafson, stressed how important it was for him to have gay actors for gay roles because he was tired of the same thing. For this reason, he cast Tanner Cohen and Nathaniel David Becker in his film, who are both gay (though I've come across rumours that Becker said he was straight in an article somewhere).

But you're right. I'd like to see more gay actors taking on gay roles as well.
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
Could you name a few titles?
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"Were The World Mine" comes to mind - a horrible, musical incarnation that took a decent short film and stretched it to a painful, PAINFUL, 90 minutes.

"Bedrooms and Hallways" is another, though I actually quite liked this one.

My question is, why can't LGBT films actually be good?! Most of the ones I've seen have terrible acting, terrible dialogue and horrible, horrible amateurish grainy pictures that may be aiming for arthouse, but miss by a long shot - think, "Ciao". *shudder*
 
darkcap2008 said:
I'm sorry but in real life the gay guy doesn't get the straight hunky guy. Every gay movie I watch is the same. A strange gay guy has a crush on a hot model like guy and they end up rolling around on the floor having sex.
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Hm .. happened to me with my first bf. Unrealistic is a matter of perspective here ..
 
You may as well ask, why can't straight films be more realistic?

Cuz they're films. They're fantasies, dreams, illusions.

Real life is something else altogether.....
 
Id like a gay film that doesn't end miserably. I know there are some out there, but i always feel most gay films were made for faghags and friends-of-gays who have a tiny superiority complex tucked away somewhere.
 
What's wrong with good old fashioned porn? Strange gay guys fucking the hell out of other strange gay guys. Sometimes the acting leaves a lot to be desired though but lets face it, so does 90% of the crap hollywood churn out each year too. This way you get the best of both worlds, crap acting and lots of hot gay action.
 
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