Why Can't Obama Close the Deal

[Backlum-Chaam]

he's never explained wright

Of course he has. What part of his explanation have you been missing?

 

[chance1]

^ u sure know how to do the multiple quote thingy

teach me sometime will ya

and when did u get so nice? haha

i kinda like it

back to bush

i think wil ferrell does a great impression of him

don't love him

but can't stand to see everyone jumpin on the pile

and that's the norm here

i don't jump on the pile

i remove peeps from the pile - "get off him!!!!!!"

 

[southern fox]

he's never explained wright

Ummm... Yeah he did.

His resulting speech will probably go down in campaign history for it.

I think its just a case of some people not desiring an explanation of Reverend Wright, since it removes a cloud over Obama's head. They'd rather pretend to themselves that its still relevant.

 

[chance1]

Ummm... Yeah he did.

His resulting speech will probably go down in campaign history for it.

I think its just a case of some people not desiring an explanation of Reverend Wright, since it removes a cloud over Obama's head. They'd rather pretend to themselves that its still relevant.

great speech - had rev wright not been the basis for it - would love it more - well crafted - very political - very off topic - but effective

but he has a hold on people - kinda like religion - i had it for a while - but the aftertaste has been not so good

obama lied about the rev - said he didn't know .............. then why did he hide him - not let him speak for him - then it came out - the shit he said about chickens coming home to roost, etc. - and obama's story changed

bottom line is obama was not being challenged early - now he is - and he's not holding up

it was relevant and it is relevant

the more we know about him - the less idealistic and more regular he is

yeah

 

[southern fox]

great speech - had rev wright not been the basis for it - would love it more - well crafted - very political - very off topic - but effective

but he has a hold on people - kinda like religion - i had it for a while - but the aftertaste has been not so good

I can’t speak for anyone else, but my attention to him is based on rationalism. Not on any religious feeling or spiritual sensation.

obama lied about the rev - said he didn't know .............. then why did he hide him - not let him speak for him - then it came out - the shit he said about chickens coming home to roost, etc. - and obama's story changed

How can a statement that he “doesn’t know” be a lie, unless he was actually in the church at the time, or had a transcript of the sermon? He probably did not know the content of the sermon, and I’m betting that he was severely embarrassed when he found out.

And I don’t think that Obama hid anyone. Wright is not Obama’s teenage son – Obama can’t dictate or restrict Wright’s movement. From what I understand, Wright distanced himself from the public eye, probably in shame for what trouble he caused.

the more we know about him - the less idealistic and more regular he is

yeah

I must respectfully disagree. The more I’ve gotten to know him, and his mind, the more I’m drawn to him. Reading his material -- this guy is great. He’s not perfect, and I don’t expect him to be made out of gold, but he is still extraordinarily brilliant and insightful.

 

[CoolBlue71]

u saw it

but did u hear it

and blah blah blah with ur pro bush thingy - im not pro bush - whatever

he's never explained wright - except to his most ardent followers - who could watch him take a shit onstage and cheer

weatherman is very troubling - and trust me when i tell u - that ain't going away - nor should it

"i don't care about ..............."

dude - u don't know jack - and u def don't know bryan (that's me)

i could deal fine with any of the 3 remaining as POTUS

could u? thinkin no

running mate? better not be a huckabee or an extreme conservative - that would be lame - and counter productive politically IMO

i hear charlie christ a lot - might help him take florida

not a republican insider u know - so really i have no idea

i just like mccain - dont agree with him on a bunch - but my respect for him is enormous

when he went into michigan in a primary he wanted bad and said "sorry those auto jobs r gone" well - i was in love

nah

he shoulda beat bush in 2000

I don't frequent this area much, so I'm not familar with you, and how you express yourself. But it does sound like you have your mind made up.

 

[jockboy01]

Why can't Obama close the deal?

He has, Hillary just hasn't been observant enough to notice and start singing.

 

[southern fox]

Reading his material. LOL. You mean the things he made up. I still would like to know where he actually read the story about the black man on the cover of Life or Ebony or maybe it was Jet. LOL He still keeps avoiding that answer of where he read the story, because all the aboved mentioned magazines have said they have never done any type of story like the one Obama said that he read at that time.....

With respect, you are entitled to your own opinion of Barack Obama. But you are not entitled to your own facts and line of reality. Come on -- Obama did not forge, or plagiarize, or or make up Audacity of Hope. Don’t throw negativity in the air to express your mistrust of Obama. It serves no one.

If he had made up his material, such an embarrassment and shame would not escape the attention of major media outlets that can smell blood better than a shark -- for the several years that the have been in print. I don't know anything about whatever Ebony story that you are talking about. It sounds extraordinarily silly to me though. His perceptions on constitutional law, religion, gays, and the nature of American politics are of far more interest to me than him "reading a magazine". I'm sure that whatever the non-story you are talking of is about, you can Google for an answer. I'm not going to waste time doing it myself -- it reeks of triviality.

I’m genuinely interesting in studying your line of thinking. Its of interest to me how and why people are determined to believe a paradigm. Its like there are people that want to believe that Obama is a crook. It’s a darn shame.

Souther Fox, it is ridiculious for you to really believe that Obama, being as educated as he is, to really not know what kind of man Mr. Wright is/was, didn't know his views and beliefs. Wasn't it already discussed that Mr. Wright had said prior to Obama's decision to run for office that he would distance himself from him... You can't really expect people to really believe that just because he may or may not have been in church the day the sermon was done that he didn't have a clear understand about the church and about his preacher.

Honestly, I can’t speak for Obama.

He may have been well aware that Wright had a large resentment for the establishment -- just as I have had black friends in the past who have, in the absence of polite company, made remarks that could be held roughly in the same category. Or white preachers that I’ve listened to because they are family friends, who tried to befriend me, who made derogatory comments in the opposite direction, with heavy resentment towards liberalism and perceived enemies of Christianity. But all of these people are still essentially and basically good and well-meaning people. Because of the psychological pressures that they have received, they are clumsy, counter-productive, and have serious problems in manifesting it though, and have serious mistaken perceptions. Wright probably falls in that category.

Wright’s positions however do not reflect Obama’s mind – just as those kids or preachers do not reflect mine. I’m not beholden to what people around me say. Frankly, I have no reason or evidence to believe that all of Obama’s written beliefs, his votes, and the extraordinary insight present in his speeches, are all a sham. Its just not there, despite your desire to see it.

I’m not one to even get enthusiastic about candidates or movements, but I have every belief that Obama offers a good new direction for the country, as does millions of others, including men and women far more experienced and intelligent than me that have successful careers, and know how to measure men even better than I. For example, Bill Richardson, or John Kerry, or all of the other high profile articulate supporters of Obama. And I’m sure that you’d like to characterize these people as all hoodwinked as well. I don’t buy it.

Sorry, man.

There is an unnerving virus of mistrust and cynical obscurantism that I keep observing. The infections run deep.

 

[LaloGS]

Come on guys, this is getting tiresome. Attacking either Democratic candidate accomplishes noting but rancor. And pushes the weak minded toward McCain for the wrong reasons.

Besides nearly all of these arguments are somewhat politically confused. There are things not to like on both sides as there are things to like, but it accomplishes nothing but making those among us who have settled on a candidate, to become defensive. We should all just become more supportive, because none of these attacks is going to change the final vote to select a nominee. The goal now should be to help build the strength in the party to beat McCain in November, not to shatter the party more so we can't win.

This is a political race, and all is fair in love and politics. It is the candidate's struggle not yours. Let them carry it out. You are only confusing the issues we face. Cut it out please.

 

[noah617]

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