Why Didn't More Women Vote for Hillary?

[NickCole]

He was referring to the poisonous ideology of some people who grew up in a bygone era of Jim Crow and misogyny.
The younger generation, generally, find the mentality of their parents and grandparents on issues of race, gender, and sexuality backwards and, at times, appalling.

Yes, and the parents and grandparents you refer to were once the younger generation -- and when they were the younger generation they, too, were appalled by the older generation's attitudes about race, gender and sexuality. It's the work THEY did --the parents and grandparents you refer to-- that made it possible for Barack Obama to run and win this Primary. And for gays to live fully out of the closet, live anywhere and perform in any job they want, even made same-sex marriage a real possibility. It's the work THEY did that led the way for today's younger generation's attitudes about race, gender and sexuality. The older generation you refer to are the ones who changed it; this younger generation didn't make the change, they're the beneficiary of that change.

The lack of respect and generosity for the people who did this work, who made the real sacrifices and took the real chances, is shameful.

 

[andysayshi]

^ Very true!

The very education that enables today's youth to recognize and defy prejudice is the result of battles fought by previous generations. What Lostlover consistently fails to realize is that, by categorizing an entire generation by the actions of a few, he is just as prejudiced and bigoted as the racists, the mysoginists and the homophobes he claims to have such disdain for.

 

[Chalchalero]

I have been saying this all along, to the under 30's, race AND gender mean nothing.

I found an article that seems to agree with you...

While voter registration drives are invaluable, they’re also dry and tedious – not that exciting to participate in or to write about.

But some new data indicates that, come November 5, we may find ourselves looking back at this year’s intensive voter mobilization efforts as what put Obama – and down-ballot Democrats nationwide – over the top.


http://progressillinois.com/2008/05/11/features/obama-over-the-top

 

[MystikWizard]

I found an article that seems to agree with you...

While voter registration drives are invaluable, they’re also dry and tedious – not that exciting to participate in or to write about.

But some new data indicates that, come November 5, we may find ourselves looking back at this year’s intensive voter mobilization efforts as what put Obama – and down-ballot Democrats nationwide – over the top.


http://progressillinois.com/2008/05/11/features/obama-over-the-top

I would laugh my ass off in the "Best Case" scenario if Texas went Light Blue in the General Election. That will definitely be the biggest accomplishment that could be made in the General. And I know Dean mentioned this possibility, as well. I thought he was joking when he first alluded to the possibility, but it seems to be a more realistic possibility (at least) with each passing day. If Texas does turn Blue, then the Electoral College will now give a major advantage to the Democrats going forward in all future elections.

 

[Chalchalero]

I would laugh my ass off in the "Best Case" scenario if Texas went Light Blue in the General Election. That will definitely be the biggest accomplishment that could be made in the General. And I know Dean mentioned this possibility, as well. I thought he was joking when he first alluded to the possibility, but it seems to be a more realistic possibility (at least) with each passing day. If Texas does turn Blue, then the Electoral College will now give a major advantage to the Democrats going forward in all future elections.

I actually posted this with a little tongue-in-cheek desire to watch others run around stumbling all over themselves over the numbers. So in that spirit I will say this much:

Did you read that? He does have a point....

 

[andysayshi]

Truthiness?

 

[Chalchalero]

Truthiness?

Living in Sydney, you probably are not familiar with Stephen Colbert.

According to Wikipedia.org:

Truthiness is a word that U.S. television comedian Stephen Colbert popularized in 2005 as a satirical term to describe things that a person claims to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. Colbert popularized this definition of the word during the inaugural (pilot) episode (October 17, 2005) of his satirical television program The Colbert Report, as the subject of a segment called "The Wørd". It was named Word of the Year for 2005 by the American Dialect Society and for 2006 by Merriam-Webster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

 

[NickCole]

His post is flawed, dependent on categorical stereotypes, and lacks any proof beyond 'truthiness' as to label it 'very true'.

Specifically which part of my post do you claim is "truthiness"?

Let us know and maybe the adults will give you a specific history lesson about what the parents and grandparents of today did that was real Change, not just culty slogan stuff, in civil rights, feminism, gay liberation and then protecting our rights through the early days of AIDS.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Is anybody else finding it slightly ironic that a board full of mostly men is debating women's voting patterns? I'm not saying this is a pointless thread, but I think we'd definitely need some female perspectives.

I'm sorry, have you not been reading some of the posts in this thread?

Just the past few posts alone clearly demonstrate that a purse fight has broken out.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Wait now, Louis or Prada? BIG difference. I digress.

That's too upscale, you have to think "cheap." Most likely a "fake" designer brand.

 

[NickCole]

I don't care for your attitude, self-absorption, elitism, uneducated fabrications and bigotry. And that post I'm quoting and the 'truthiness' one, much like many of your posts, reek of it.

Yes I'm aware you don't like me.

I couldn't care less.

I'm not of the generation that's obsessed with being liked -- maybe that's in part because when you fight hard for what you believe in a lot of people won't like you, and we believed the things we fought for --civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, AIDS services, research, funding etc-- were more important than being liked.

I asked, "Specifically which part of my post do you claim is 'truthiness'?"

Are you going to answer that or are you one of those posters who can't define, much less defend, what he claims?

 

[kneelin]

I've answered it often, because you are frequently guilty of it---gross hasty generalizations based on bigotry, on stereotypes. Read the posts and evaluate yourself as an individual, instead of hiding behind facades and group-think, and you'd realize the answer is already there. You and Lostlover are similar, except he condemns the aged for crimes committed and stereotypes, while you condemn the young for nothing and stereotypes on what you feel in your gut---the truthiness.

Again you are the attack machine condemning and debasing others' opinions in general ways and then unwilling or unable to delineate. You are all attitude and no substance in such postings.

 

[kneelin]

^^^^^ A more substantial explanation . . . you can't assume that your past issues with Nick are apparent to all readers. But you too seem to have preconceived interpretations to his posts even when he makes sense. Everyone finds LL's rants frustrating and finding ways in which to communicate to him the fallacy of his illogic is not easy.

 

[NickCole]

It's not about that, it's about when you said "the adults" will provide a 'lesson'---when your Rovian nasty posts have only taught me what you have to say is not worth the bandwidth. Take for instance such bullshit as this:

That's your opinion, it's not an objective evaluation of me or my behavior.

You don't like me because of your viewpoint, your opinion of me.

Your way of thinking makes it difficult for you to recognize that your not liking me is a result of nothing more than your opinion of me and my behavior.

My way of thinking makes it easy for me to not care about the opinion of people I don't respect.

I've answered it often,

You've never answered "Specifically which part of my post do you claim is 'truthiness'?" about that particular post of mine, which as far as I've seen is the only post of mine you've referred to as "truthiness," a word I've used often but you have not.

Are you going to tell me what you think was "truthiness" in that post of mine that you called truthiness, or fail again to back up your claims?

 

[NickCole]

Well, Nick is just as guilty and I've been trying to communicate that for months now. When you look at people as groups, you dehumanize them, don't see them as people; it's easy for Lostlover to then say the world would be better when the previous generation is dead, just as Nick can make sweeping flawed evaluations on a statistic based around the year 1972, or some such abstract year he previously rest his argument.

What I've posted about Baby Boomers, Gen X and Gen Y (or Millennials) is not in any way the same as what LostLover has posted about older people. Not remotely. Your misunderstanding that, despite my writing about it extensively in two threads I started on the subject, and in other threads here, says nothing about me or my opinioin and a lot about how you process information and infuse it with your own needs and biases -- which is what is at the heart of truthiness.

I'll resist explaining it again but here are a few, randomly off the top of the Google list, of many many links to information about Millennials that's the kind of information I've read, listened to, observed and analyzed over the past few years. There are common experiences leading to common traits among members of the same generation. This short list includes articles, opinion pieces, bullet-point presentations, a 60-Minutes news report, a popular political blog, a conference and books on the subject. I've studied common generational traits in some depth -- and all you've contributed is your hurt feelings, self important bias and personal attacks on me.


http://www.abanet.org/lpm/lpt/articles/mgt08044.html

http://www.amazon.com/Generation-Am...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213261586&sr=1-1

http://humanresources.about.com/od/managementtips/a/millenials.htm

http://www.lifecourse.com/pubs/books.php

http://www.radaronline.com/features...nnials_facebook_kevin_colvin_baby_boomers.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13herbert.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...DN-Hall_20bus.ART.State.Edition1.399c025.html

http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/113/millennials

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/03/millennials_rising/

http://www.amazon.com/Millennials-Rising-Next-Great-Generation/dp/0375707190

http://www.amazon.com/Millennials-I...4034005c&itemPosition=3&qid=1213261373&sr=1-3

http://news.cnet.com/2009-1025_3-5944666.html

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28956.html



BTW, I attended this conference and a lot of the marketing ideas are exactly what Barack Obama's campaign did to reach Millennials and Gen Xers, and to raise the phenominal amount of money they did:
http://www.millennialsconference.com/ny/


The Obama campaign strategy is also evident in this book about Millennials:
http://www.amazon.com/Millennial-Ma...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213261373&sr=1-1


As we've seen on this forum, and is evident throughout the Internet in forums and comments, Millennials who voted for Obama did not do so because of his experience, qualifications or specific proposals, they support him because he figured out how to make his message resonate with them and figured out how to network with them. They trust him not because his words/actions/behavior over his 46 years earned their trust (most Obama supporters know very little about him - speaking face-to-face, without being able to access Google, it's amazing the blank stares I get when I ask them what they know about him and his plans) but because his presentation manipulated them into believing he's trustworthy. It's a modern version of an old strategy used throughout history (and doesn't end well) -- configured this time to appeal to Millennials and Gen Xers.

 

[NickCole]

^^ P.S. Obviously what I write about Millennials does not mean every single human being born within the years of the Millennial Generation respond exactly the same way. It's, as I've repeated often, about common generational experience and response.