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Why Do Neocons Start Wars, Yet Refuse to Fight Them?

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where is the policy of preemptive warfare part of american policy before wolfowitz began pushing for it during cheneys tenure in the prior bush administration

why was he writing papers on a new policy and agenda if it was not well, you know.... new?
 
Damn thats kinda racist but I suspect you don't care since it does not relate to your personal "minority" status.

BTW who the fuck are you to say our past actions have nothing to do with today. Provide a source of some credibility instead of your insane rantings.

We have established a nation based on agressive behavior towards those that impede our progress as a nation. As it has been is how it will be. If you doubt such is true then you live on planet psychosis and there you will live your days until the end. SHould you ever have the privilege of joining the rest of us on planet reality you will note that we have rarely done anything based off of some 'truth, justice and American way" bullshit. We have always acted in self interest, including the greatest generations fight in WWII. We only moved into that war when it was inevitable. Not because it suited some whacky code of freedom.

While you may wrap whatever military action you have read about in the past into some American flags and while it may have been sold to America as some sorta ideological necessity, I can guarantee you action was undertaken to maximize our interest as a nation.
 
you need to supply proof that something exists, mazda, when you say that it exists...

alfie is not expected to prove that something does NOT exist that you have yet to prove does
 
He says Manifest destiny does not apply to todays issues. I say it does. I guess there is no proving it. But I defy any single mbr of Jub to defend a American agression as noble. It was all for self interest.
 
i'd say that perhaps that one core perception of yours is ellemental in your political leanings... i do not agree with it in any way and you have given me little reason to agree with you

i thnk that as a member of the military your perceptions are skewed and you are regurgitating myths heard within the brotherhood, so to speak

that is always how ive pervieved you to an extent

this idea of yours concerning americas wars and their reasons....

it is a radical thought and not in keeping with the mainstream understanding of american foreign policy history

you have to at least know that much
 
I do realize that is entirely true. The reasons and policy behind war and the sloganization of war have always been at odds. We simply have more access to information and information is more readily available than ever before.

I will put forth that we will never again conduct a war where we are considered not only victorious but moral champions. War are not and can not be fought under a microscope without moral turpitude. Indeed, the base reasoning behind war will become more and more a reality of our future conflicts.
 
andy don't confuse Republicans saying there were no WMDs where the info suggested by saying they nevr existed. Do you think Bush is so wily that he got Blaire to lie and say his intelligence was the same as the US intelligence? Do you think Bush as governor of Texas somehow in 1998 got Clinton to state that "sooner or later something or later something had to be done about Iraq? And what if not WMDs was Clinton referring to? Saddam perhaps? well that's taken care of.
 
John Kerry said he to would have invaded Iraq based on the intelligence we had. Would these neolibs-what i call the puppets posing as liberals today-say he was a neocon starting a war? Would they be pissed if conservatives blamed Kerry instead of al-queda for starting a war? Ijust thank God men like Truman were nothing like this new group of so called liberals or this world would be a far worse place.
 
Alfie you say don't like war Well nobody likes war. In most cases wars that have been fought ended in with a better world because of them. Vietnam of course didn't but then again a neocon didn't start that war did they? Go back in history and tell the many thousands of black soldiers who died fighting for the Union army in the Civil War that they died for nothing.. Go back and tell the Jewish survivors of the Holocaust that you wished FDR hadn't have sent troops into Germany. I wish you could HONEY
 
I take one thing back Alfie. There are people that thrive on war. They're called al-queda. And if you want to talk about a diservice to people. You should apologize to our troops who know who their enemy is rather you do or not. You put them in danger when they die and your clique of neolibs don't blame the men who actually killed them. S you sit around on your faux imperial throne and keep up your hypocritic peace talk . That's easy to do from your comfy chair isn't it?As others are risking their lives.
 
oh yeah

who is the enemy

what exactly have you done to fight that enemy

crawl back off alfie and talk to me for a second

your posts are rather rabid and radical

for a man who believes in killing the bad guys... what have u done to make them assume room temperature?
 
lol i didn't tell a lie about Clinton lol I want to know if Kerry was a neocon when he said he would have invaded Iraq. And why did he say it?
 
Can i assume from your post Andreus,that you don't believe in killing the bad guys? Because if you do believe we should then why word your response that way? Most of us support the soldiers. We don't have to support the reason we went to war. But my God ,they're over there risking their lives. And over there,they aren't black,white,gay,straight,Republican,Democrat. They're united as one and deserve better than partisan bickering. But if partisan bickering is going to happen,i'm going to expose the anti-war crowd for what they are. Frauds who if anything demoralize the already fighting soldiers and put the very men and women they say they care about in an even more dangerous climate.
 
koontzfanwv said:
Can i assume from your post Andreus,that you don't believe in killing the bad guys? Because if you do believe we should then why word your response that way? Most of us support the soldiers. We don't have to support the reason we went to war. But my God ,they're over there risking their lives. And over there,they aren't black,white,gay,straight,Republican,Democrat. They're united as one and deserve better than partisan bickering. But if partisan bickering is going to happen,i'm going to expose the anti-war crowd for what they are. Frauds who if anything demoralize the already fighting soldiers and put the very men and women they say they care about in an even more dangerous climate.
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". . .Most of us. . ."? Ok, most of us DO support our soldiers. . . however a miniscule minority sees no need to justify our soldiers being "in harm's way."

". . .I'm going to expose. . ." Oh, aren't we full of ourselves!:grrr:
 
General_Alfie said:
Why do I hear strains of "I Am Woman Hear Me Roar???"

Yes, they're over there, in harm's way, and you're over here, not in harm's way. And to think, the topic of this thread is the despicable cowardice of our war trolls who simply don't have the guts to fight, and consequently don't fight. How appropriate. I'm going to expose the chicken-shit crowd for what they are: cowards and hypocrites -- I'm gonna call my pal, Sean Hannity, mark my words, listen to his show and hear me roar! *|*
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Btw GA and Random, I missed the last meeting of the anti-war crowd .... can you send me the minutes? I went to a flag burning in DC and couldn't make it back in time.
 
koontzfanwv said:
Can i assume from your post Andreus,that you don't believe in killing the bad guys? Because if you do believe we should then why word your response that way? Most of us support the soldiers. We don't have to support the reason we went to war. But my God ,they're over there risking their lives. And over there,they aren't black,white,gay,straight,Republican,Democrat. They're united as one and deserve better than partisan bickering. But if partisan bickering is going to happen,i'm going to expose the anti-war crowd for what they are. Frauds who if anything demoralize the already fighting soldiers and put the very men and women they say they care about in an even more dangerous climate.
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us who?

you are clearly in a minority due to the rabidity of your posts and your radical perspectives... so once again ... WHO is this mass of people you seem to have decided to speak for. I want to chack with them and make sure they agree.

next... supporting the troops does not include the imbecilic behavior of doing what ever the boob in cheif bush wants you to do. Believe me, the reason that close to eighty percent if america wants the war to end is because they DO SUPPORT THE TROOPS.

You do not... you dont soar like a falcon on that one...

you are willing to send them to their deaths for NOTHING

that is as unamerican and cowardly as anything i can imagine.... nice try my little puppy.
 
smelter44 said:
Btw GA and Random, I missed the last meeting of the anti-war crowd .... can you send me the minutes? I went to a flag burning in DC and couldn't make it back in time.
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pity

that you lost the minutes, i mean

were you the guy with the toupe in the polyester suit who kept muttering kiss my grits with a wink everythime they showed a picture of hillary?

cause you splashed the lighter fluid all wrong on that one flag that you held in front of the news cameras.
 
Neo-cons start wars they don't fight because they're ideologues who think that wars will fight and end themselves, as everyone decides to be a democracy and lay down their weapons.

Look at Iraq, they REALLY THOUGHT that we would be greeted as liberators and throw flowers at our feet and excitedly pick up the "Jeffersonian Democracy" pamphlet and get to work becoming "America in the Middle East." Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way....
 
I know most people support the truth. I typed that in my last post. Thank you for the echo. As for me speaking for Bush,i don't think so.. Not unless Bush is pro gay marriage and for stem cell research. Don't accuse me of being the puppets the neolibs have become.I'm not a folower,i think you're trying to project your mirror image onto me. N o thanks,i'd rather think for myself. And as far as me being a radical,i guess if sticking up for our military and being pro gay marriage is radical i fit the bill. Talk to you later i'm sure Andreus,after 1 am nite bud.
 
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