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Why do people still support the Obama administration or the Democratic Party?

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First, let me preface this post by saying that my political views are not conservative and I'm not Obama-bashing. Any debate framed in right vs. left terms would find me almost inevitably on the liberal, democratic side. Ok? ;)

That being said, I'm utterly disgusted with what's going on in Washington right now. Specifically, the chosen crisis - the debt ceiling/deficit debacle. On the right, we have 'leadership" pandering to the corporate-backed Tea Party, who essentially want to transfer as much wealth as possible to those people who already have most of the wealth. We have willful ignorance from about 60 congressmen and -women who still don't even want the debt ceiling to be raised at all - under any circumstances! This insanity and corruption on the right alone is more than enough to destroy the world economy. So I guess it's a good thing we have a democratic president and and democrats in the Senate to stop this madness, right? It's a good thing we have these democrats to counteract the slashes in spending that the republicans are so hell-bent on enacting, right?

...Until you realize that the President and democrats in the Senate aren't trying to stop this madness. Here's one of the best examples so far. http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/07/america%E2%80%99s-debt-ceiling?page=1

At the beginning of negotiations, the republicans pushed for a deficit reduction plan comprised of 85% spending cuts and 15% increased revenues. Any sane person can see that this is crazy. Taxes are lower than they have been in decades, and it's not wise to cut that much spending at a time of record unemployment and food stamps usage. (Seriously, over 10% of the U.S. population is on food stamps! http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/02/02/some-43-million-americans-use-food-stamps/) America already has one of (if not the) weakest social safety nets of any developed nation.

So what did democrats propose to counteract this? What was their proposal that set off months off bitter, unproductive negotiations risking a national default and downgrade in credit worthiness? 83% spending cuts and 17% revenue increases. Democrats to the rescue! People are (rightly) angry at the republicans for not taking this incredibly favorable (for them) deal to avoid default. But why is no one angry at democrats for their cave-in?

However, it's not just a conservative-biased media that's wrongfully framing this issue. Are Obama and the democrats not complicit? Why aren't they telling the American people what's really going on? When the republicans misrepresent things, why don't the democrats call them out on it?
As this article states, "Every part of the budget debate in the U.S. is built on a tissue of willful deceit." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/budgetary-deceit-and-amer_b_907684.html

This article says it better than I could ever hope to. Yes, the Obama administration may have done some things that are positive for social justice. Democrats are responsible for gay marriage in New York, for example. The Democratic party is undoubtedly the party for social progress. But what about political and economic progress?

The Democrats of the White House and much of Congress have been less crude, but no less insidious, in their duplicity. Obama's campaign promise to "change Washington" looks like pure bait and switch. There has been no change, but rather more of the same: the Wall-Street-owned Democratic Party as we have come to know it.

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I just don't know what to do about this. I don't know what any American can do. The deck is stacked against anyone who isn't filthy rich. Only the rich have a voice. And the deck is stacked against anything that might change this.
Things won't change until there is some significant structural change in the way Washington (and, increasingly, the world) works. And the deck is stacked against that, too.
 
First, let me preface this post by saying that my political views are not conservative and I'm not Obama-bashing.

OF course you are. Reread the title and tell me why I should go one step further into this mess?

and tell me what president has done MORE for the gay community?

People really need to stop assuming that we are all idiots.
 
DADT: Gone.

Next?

Well, yes. It's great that DADT is gone. But it takes more than being right on one issue (gay rights) to gain my support.

Democrats aren't waging war against gays, but what about the poor? (if you look at what they're doing as opposed to what they're saying)
 
Because the only alternative with sufficient financial clout to mean anything in the U.S. political system seems to want to make the U.S. into the fundamentalist Christian equivalent of Saudi Arabia.
 
because The GOP still hasn't admitted that THEY are the ones that trashed the nations economy.

NEXT?
 
because The GOP still hasn't admitted that THEY are the ones that trashed the nations economy.

NEXT?

Familiarize yourself with the facts surrounding the Subprime mortgage crisis, which made all the dominoes fall. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd deserve the most blame, not George W. Bush.

PS: Democrats controlled both houses of Congress at the time of the financial collapse.
 
Because the only alternative with sufficient financial clout to mean anything in the U.S. political system seems to want to make the U.S. into the fundamentalist Christian equivalent of Saudi Arabia.

Right, I get the "lesser of two evils" argument. Although better than the alternative, I still think democrats/Obama admin are pretty evil.

So who should I support/vote for in 2012?

Why should I have any hope that the U. S. political process will ever become less corrupt?

Convince a cynic why there's hope and what he can do to make a difference.
 
Familiarize yourself with the facts surrounding the Subprime mortgage crisis, which made all the dominoes fall. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd deserve the most blame, not George W. Bush.

PS: Democrats controlled both houses of Congress at the time of the financial collapse.

thank you for providing proof that I was right. You STILL aren't willing to own the eight years of bush, the six years of his rubber stamp, the debts the war bills, the tax cuts which turned a surplus into a deficit, without creating jobs....

None of that on your radar...

Just ole BArney frank the gay boy from Somerville mass ..|
 
What is bankrupting us is two Bush wars that we can't win. The human cost is, of course, unaccountable. My real beef with Obama (who I campaigned and voted for) is that we are still in the Middle East. But go ahead and support the Republicans. You deserve everything you get--and don't get.
 
Because the alternative (Republicans) is a thousand times worse.
 
Familiarize yourself with the facts surrounding the Subprime mortgage crisis, which made all the dominoes fall. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd deserve the most blame, not George W. Bush.

PS: Democrats controlled both houses of Congress at the time of the financial collapse.

The problem with your right wing narrative which you all repeat like parrots is that the community reinvestment act has been in effect since 1977, but the housing market didn't crash until 2007. And no law could "force" a bank to write bad loans. They wrote those bad loans because the repeal of Glass Steagall gave them a place to dump bad loans and make a quick profit. Unregulated Wall Street investment banks traded these derivatives profitably during the real estate boom from 2002 to 2006. But Greenspan raised interest rates nearly 5% in less than 2 years, which caused millions of ARM loans to skyrocket when their rates reset. Suddenly those derivatives became worthless paper and the market crashed.

Blame Dodd and Frank all you want. Those of us who are paying attention know that Republican deregulation and interest rate manipulation caused the housing crisis. Clinton's signing of the Gramm Leach Bliley Act in 1999 exempted those OTC credit default swaps from regulation, which effectively muted Brooksley Born's calls for oversight. That was clearly a poor decision by Clinton, but in his defense the bill had wide bipartisan support, passing in the House by 362-57, and in the Senate by 90-8 margins.

In hindsight I would certainly agree that it wasn't Clinton's finest moment, but when you compare the economy in the 1990s versus the economy of the 2000s, the policies passed by Clinton created more jobs, greater gains in the stock market, much better fiscal restraint, reduction in the poverty rate, etc. than anything done by Bush. The mortgage meltdown was a chilling reminder of the importance in regulating corporations and financial markets. But the GOP's calls for a return to Bushonomics tells me they still haven't learned that lesson.
 
What is bankrupting us is two Bush wars that we can't win. The human cost is, of course, unaccountable. My real beef with Obama (who I campaigned and voted for) is that we are still in the Middle East. But go ahead and support the Republicans. You deserve everything you get--and don't get.

Uh, if this is directed at me, I don't support Republicans. Never have, and would never even think of doing so.
 
I think people support him because he is our president, and we have an obligation to do so. He fails, we fail. It's that simple.

Do I think he should have started the debt ceiling negotiations in December or January? Absolutely. Is it offensive to me to hear the crap about his daughters getting their homework done in advance while he flitted around with trivial matters and Wall Street fund raisers for months and months? Absolutely.

Do I think he was very naive and uninformed and now is learning on the job? Absolutely.

Do I think he made calculated and planned political choices rather than getting involved in any way with job growth and creation? Absolutely. Do I think he is planning to wait, no matter the cost to the economy and the nation to do something about jobs until we get closer to the election. You betcha...

None of this changes the fact that I believe I have an obligation as an American to support the Obama administration.
 
I still support the Obama administration and the Democratic Party because they have revealed with with a blinding light that their opponents refuse to make even the slightest compromise.

Does anyone seriously think that the President and Democratic legislators would have proposed this 83/17 debt ceiling plan apart from responding to the Republican Party? Do you think that's their goal?

So, what do you want them to do? Become just as rigidly unreasonable as the Republicans by proposing a 15/85 plan to mirror theirs in reverse?

And have not the media been pointing out the House Republicans' refusal to make even the slightest budge off their positions?

Now, what do you about it? Hope that you can hang on long enough to reelect President Obama and send a Democrat from your House district.
 
Why do people still support the Obama administration or the Democratic Party?

Your thread might be compelling if it were asking the same with both major political parties. The last presidential election, in 2008, saw a combined popular vote of 98.58% go to the R-vs-D candidacies of John McCain-vs.-Barack Obama. We haven't seen an election where the two major-party candidates reaped less than 90 percent of the vote since 1992, when Bill Clinton unseated George Bush and they combined for 80.46%—while independent Ross Perot received 18.91%. We haven't seen a non-two-party candidate carry any states and win electoral votes since 1968, with American Independent George Wallace, of Alabama, winning 45/46 electoral votes with his home state plus Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
 
Wow that's a good one.
Let's see fanny Mae and Freddie Mac got a free ride under democratic chairs
In the subcommittee, fought toe and nail against any changes President
Bush wanted to do, you know like stop making banks lean money to people who couldn't afford to own homes. Now the banks aren't off the hook either
All the realest speculation them lean money to also created the bubble also.


But given both things the housing bubble was a given

Bush handed 800 billion free dollars to his buddies in the banking industry on his way out of the door.
 
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Under either party currently in office in DC neither
Have our best interest at the front of their agendas.

I am fiscal conservative, but liberty is denied to many people
To live their life's how they see fix.

Neither party works the way I would like them to work.

agreed. I especially agree with your second sentence. I am a fiscal conservative and social progressive like you.

Unfortunately there is no place in either party for that kind of person. I am a non affiliated voter, no party choice on my voter ID. How about you?
 
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