Why do so many left-wing 'gay activists' attack Christinaity but excuse Islam?

[Zeno Lorea]

Summation of this thread: When the promise of whiteness being a coat of armor is broken, fear sets in: "It's supposed to be happening to them, not us."

What does being white have to do with being a christian. Most christians are black and most of the others are Latin American.

 

[magicdick]

This is something that really irks me about the gay lobby. The vast majority are not truly advocating for gay rights because they have nothing to say about Islam. In Muslim countries it is not only illegal to actually be gay, but it is permissible to actually throw gays off buildings. Muslims believe that the best thing to do for gays is to kill them. Yet not a word is said by the so-called gay activits. The left excuses everything about Islam. On the other hand, not one single Christian (or any other religion for that matter) country kills gays. Here in Australia the left attacks Christians all the time for merely being against homosexual marriage, which is a personal belief based on their religion. Whatever happened to tolerance and accepting other people's beliefs? I am gay but I am conservative and Christian, and I don't have double standards and I am not a hypocrite. Believe it or not, I actually think that throwing gays off buildings is worse than not believing that they should marry.

Also I want to give to pertinent examples of recent double standards:

1. At the recent Mardi Gras, there were floats mocking Christians, but none mocking Islam.
2. A Christian cake shop in America refused ro make a cake for a gay wedding because of their beliefs, and the left hounded them. A Muslim cake shop did the same and not a word was said.

I'm wondering why you are so offended, so sensitive to this issue. Rhetorical. [Text: Removed] Study your history. Your bible calls homosexuality an abomination and a capital offense. Homosexuals have been persecuted and murdered by Christians for centuries. Christians have been lording it over the world for two millennia. Muslims have been getting the shaft from the West for centuries. You need to accept one universal truth: Religion—be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism. or all the other bunkums—is humanity's worst idea. Religion has caused more misery than all plagues and human sins combined (sucking cock and getting a dick up the ass included).

I love sucking dick and getting fucked. I'm not going to hell. Are you?

There are plenty of "good Christian" leaders preaching the execution of homosexuals. Give Trump time. He'll sign the executive order.

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At the recent Mardi Gras, there were floats mocking Christians, but none mocking Islam.

Perhaps because Christians are the super majority and most guilty of being anti-gay.

A Christian cake shop in America refused ro [sic] make a cake for a gay wedding because of their beliefs, and the left hounded them. A Muslim cake shop did the same and not a word was said.

Provide a source and I’ll rebut.

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[Zeno Lorea]

I'm wondering why you are so offended, so sensitive to this issue. Rhetorical. You are a typical Christian. [Text: Removed] Your bible calls homosexuality an abomination and a capital offense. Homosexuals have been persecuted and murdered by Christians for centuries. Christians have been lording it over the world for two millennia. Muslims have been getting the shaft from the West for centuries. You need to accept one universal truth: Religion—be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism. or all the other bunkums—is humanity's worst idea. Religion has caused more misery than all plagues and human sins combined (sucking cock and getting a dick up the ass included).

I love sucking dick and getting fucked. I'm not going to hell. Are you?

There are plenty of "good Christian" leaders preaching the execution of homosexuals. Give Trump time. He'll sign the executive order.

Finally . . .

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You didn't reply to any of Aussieboy29's points: Why are you so obsessed with Christianity when Islam is clearly the bigger danger to gays worldwide? [Text: Removed] Your only arguments are what Christians did in the distant past as if we still live in the 1900s. I was born in the 1900s but I live now, and now Christians are not much of a threat to most gays worldwide. Islam, on the other hand, clearly is.

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[magicdick]

Why do so many left-wing 'gay activists' attack Christinaity [sic] but excuse Islam?​

Would someone please substantiate this claim? Substantiate beyond the anecdotal. Beyond OANN, Newsmax, and Charlie Kirk. Beyond starting with this conclusion and cherry-picking facts to support it.

Tell me how Christianity is being attacked. Tell me what a left-wing activist is. Tell me why you rely on labels instead of critical thinking (the former being a sure sign of a lazy mind).

Just put some meat on this bone.

 

[magicdick]

Ask the Islamic Apologists.
They are to blame.

Then take a long, hard look in a pool of still water and ask a Christian apologist why his many sins should be excused.

 

[magicdick]

Maybe those left-wing gay activists are basing their opinions on topics they're familiar with?

I know, it's a crazy way to think about things.

Are you implying that some activists actually did their research, applied critical thought, shunted biases aside side, and arrived at conclusions more closely attuned to reality? I'm seeing a lot of anti-Muslim bias (euphemism for thoughtless hatred) in this thread, the same biases they put on left-wing gay activists.

 

[magicdick]

Which is why there's a thread on the front page called "post funny anti-fundamentalism pictures", not "pot funny anti-religion pictures".

...no, wait, just went back and looked. It's "anti-religion". Page 93 and going strong. I think a majority of Western gays reject all organized religion. They may not soeak out against Judaism or Zoroastrianism much, simply because they encounter it less, and they get less grief from those reoigions. But I don't think that means they find the religions any less silly.

And there are several reasons why Western gays give Islam something of a pass. For one thing, as others have said, Christianity is where most Western gays face direct conflict. It's via Christians (with or without quotes) that all anti-LGBTQ legislation has been pushed through in this part of the world. It's been in the bame of Christianity (or Christian values) that we've been demonized. Is Islam any better in this regard? No, of course not. But they're still very much a minority here. Over here, they're still fighting for their own sakes - can they wear traditional garments while doing Western things? They don't exactly have the clout to complain about gay marriage, let alone round up the homos and have them killed.

Would they if they had the numbers? I'd say that's pretty much a certainty.

In addition, there's the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle. When we see the same people who scream that we're ruining the American family scream that Islam will be the end of Anerican and Christianity, it's easy to consider that to be just so much more noise.

Lex

You've done better than 99% of the posters to this thread: You've given the matter some critical thought. But you spoil it with, "Would they if they had the numbers? I'd say that's pretty much a certainty." A certainty? If by numbers you mean, enough extreme and fundamentalist Muslims, then you're right. But Islam in general is a mix of both rational and irrational believers. Just like Christianity. Just like Judaism. How does one avoid being irrational? Atheism.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I've lived near fundamentalist Mormons in Utah and near fundamentalist Muslims in Morocco. After years with each, I know which ones I found more bearable.

And yes, I know there are lots of secular Moroccans, as those were obviously the ones we hung out with.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Because in their neighbourhood, there's lots of chrissie fundies working day and night to make everyone else's life miserable, but few if any [Text: Removed] fundies doing that. The chrissie fundies may even be conspiring against the [Text: Removed] as much as against the women, gays, and ethnic minorities. And the few and far between [Text: Removed] in their area probably belong to an ethnic minority anyway. So they see the [Text: Removed] fundies as victims just like them. And sometimes rightly so.

However, if those same people had come of age in, oh, let's just say any muslim-majority country like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, Indonesia, the Gambia or Malaysia, it would have been the other way around. They would see christians as the tolerant, accepting, open-minded liberals who invented equality, human rights, gay marriage anti-discrimination laws. And what they would be saying about islam would not be quite fit to print. I know, because I hear it all day long.

8 years later, still true.
Americans really don't learn.

 

[opinterph]

starting with this conclusion

Examples of loaded questions are common in media, politics, and everyday conversations. Regardless of the setup, it is not accurate to generalize that all gay activists attack Christianity or excuse Islam.

It is important to recognize that both Christian and Islamic communities have diverse perspectives on LGBTQ+ issues, and not all individuals or groups within these faiths hold the same views.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Examples of loaded questions are common in media, politics, and everyday conversations. Regardless of the setup, it is not accurate to generalize that all gay activists attack Christianity or excuse Islam.

It is important to recognize that both Christian and Islamic communities have diverse perspectives on LGBTQ+ issues, and not all individuals or groups within these faiths hold the same views.

No, no, no.
To begin with, nobody said ALL gay activists do this. But it is many, as stated in the very title of this thread.

But more importantly, no matter how hard you try to frame that both of those faiths are diverse and thus, both are similar, they are not comparable.
Both have holy texts that are anti-gay, but they differ in how they treat non-believers, ex-believers and gays.
There are 14 countries that kill you for being gay. 13 are muslim-majority and the one outlier adopted the law to appease its muslim community.
Moreover, christians don't kill apostates. That changes everything.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Can we get a working definition of "attack?"

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

What does being white have to do with being a christian. Most christians are black and most of the others are Latin American.

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

 

[magicdick]

Can we get a working definition of "attack?"

While we're at it, can we also get working definitions of "left wing"? Of Islam? Of Christianity? Rhetorical questions.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

What I would like a good definition of is "militant" because this adjective seems to posses a wide variety of meanings in American press, who use "militant atheist" for intellectuals who ask pertinent questions and "militant muslims" for gang rapists with machine guns, as in Sudan this week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1984107332238754159

 

[FrodoTX]

OMG It's so easy. You are all wrong, religion is just a man made construct for people who are afraid of death.